I see majority of secularists promoting a copy paste of western lifestyle in Pakistan. They are more concerned about sexual and social liberties than human rights and tolerance.
What concerns me in secularism is that it will not bring the good part of secularism like human rights, tolerance of other people beliefs but will only bring social evils like alcoholism, gambling and breakdown of nuclear families.
We at present are neither a shariah state nor a secular one. While we need to fight discrimination based upon gender, race, language and faith, we don’t necessarily have to allow the social evils to take a deeper root in teh society.
I see majority of secularists promoting a copy paste of western lifestyle in Pakistan. They are more concerned about sexual and social liberties than human rights and tolerance.
What concerns me in secularism is that it will not bring the good part of secularism like human rights, tolerance of other people beliefs but will only bring social evils like alcoholism, gambling and breakdown of nuclear families.
We at present are neither a shariah state nor a secular one. While we need to fight discrimination based upon gender, race, language and faith, we don't necessarily have to allow the social evils to take a deeper root in teh society.
Totally wrong.. secularism doesn't mean following western lifestyle like you are implying.. it means the right of a person to chose his lifestyle including Islamic life style..
It means if someone wants to chose a western life style, and does not commit a crime against anyone.. he should not be morally policed to adopt Islamic life style. State should not impose religious morality in the personal life of people...
Actually DD has a very important point to raise ... More broadly I would say ...
That in the hope of making a secular state those who say "we want for ourselves" seem to have a stronger voice than those saying "we want for others" ...
These are the dynamics that we all need to be aware of ...
We can't all have without any give ... and finding that balance is crucial ... in fact if we all just focus on "giving" we have our needs entrusted by others ... but if we all "take" then it is possible that the needs of some others may not be met ... it therefore follows that the voices who say "What we want for others" is far more important than the seemingly more stronger voice "we want for ourselves".
I would like to start:
I want animal cruelty policies and preservation of animal diversity to be woven in to our states affairs with greater importance.
I want the above extended to flora
I want more emphasis on fitness and healthy lifestyles
I want more accountability for media when they set out to defame
Okay so banning of alcohol would be acceptable to you in a secular regime?
Banning nudist beaches?
Limiting night clubs?
Peace CM
Equating secular with liberal is wrong ... There are lots of conservatives out there who do not believe that religion plays a part in their stately affairs who would not allow nudist beaches and night clubs anyway ...
True but the difference is that government has always regulated the morality of a nation. That is why Amsterdam has the red light district and why in the US prostitution is illegal. Both are secular countries. However in Pakistan the same cases are seen in the guise of religion and not basic common decency.
Totally wrong.. secularism doesn't mean following western lifestyle like you are implying.. it means the right of a person to chose his lifestyle including Islamic life style..
It means if someone wants to chose a western life style, and does not commit a crime against anyone.. he should not be morally policed to adopt Islamic life style. State should not impose religious morality in the personal life of people...
Thats not what i am implying , thats the impression i get from secualrists i see on tv and talk shows. I agree with second part of your statement, however, i think the secualrist should take his message to the public and convince them.