Re: We shall overrun: The young, urban, middle-class Pakistani’s manifesto
That wasn't an attack on your personal life. It was a fact. You do sit in the west and read dawn. If you didn't the comment would not have pissed you off so much.
Contextualizing the debate is not the same as changing the narrative. A comparison or equating the two would be changing the narrative as you have already stated the Taliban include blowing themselves up and others as part of their ideology. The JUI and JI do not.
That wasn't an attack on your personal life. It was a fact. You do sit in the west and read dawn. If you didn't the comment would not have pissed you off so much.
No issue with me sitting in the west, and Dawn is a fine newspaper. This is what you said:
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Actually no. Consider it anecdotal as well as a desire to see what the common man on the street thinks of these parties. After all the support these parties have received is minimal in a majority of cases. And more specifically there was a great deal of dissatisfaction when these groups were in power.
Just because you can't read it on Dawn while sitting in the West doesn't mean it is not true.
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As it happens, when they were in power, and when you say there was a great deal of dissatisfaction about them, I was in NWFP! I have family and friends there, so not only as part of education but everyday life. This is what pissed me off, not whether or not it was true.
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Contextualizing the debate is not the same as changing the narrative. A comparison or equating the two would be changing the narrative as you have already stated the Taliban include blowing themselves up and others as part of their ideology. The JUI and JI do not.
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Which only means that it isnt exactly accurate to say that they or NFP are different sides of the Taleban coin.
Also lets be honest. You are defending JI and JUI less and more so defending your personal opinion on an internet forum. Rather common on GS.
Any other discussion and you would consider them extremists.
Im someone who mostly posts on PA when it concerns religion/religious violence. If that were the case you would be able to find me calling them extremists.
I have been very critical of IK and JI's Munawar Hussain's statements for example. At no point do I recall calling them extremists, atleast not in any sense the same ideological coin as the Taleban.
Disclaimer 1: I don’t like Zaid Hamid.
Disclaimer 2. I tried to persuade my friends not to go to his ‘rally’ on 23 March.
Fact: The first few paragraphs of NFP’s article are a bunch of lies.
The Government did not give NOC for the rally at Minar-e-Pakistan and thats why the venue shifted and later again by intervention from government, the event was cancelled.
Question: If Zaid Hamid is as ‘irrelevant’ as NFP is trying to project, why write articles after articles about him?
Okay. I have no real means of verifying either your version or his. Could be version A, version B, both or neither. They arent strictly contradictory you know. One scenario where both versions are true is that the govt didnt give NOC because of the security situation.
My understanding is he sees Zaid Hamid as a germinating figure being propped up by the ‘establishment’, with no sizable grassroots support yet, but one for which grassroots support is being engineered. Astoturf if you’re familiar with the political term. The same component of the establishment that is represented by Hamid Gul et al. He gives as example the fact that in some events he was given VIP protocol which is suggestive. I base this on conversations with a friend who knows NFP, but dont know if hes ever published his rationale.
Re: We shall overrun: The young, urban, middle-class Pakistani’s manifesto
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So common wisdom dictates that a country that has a number of diverse nationalities, multiple Islamic sects, and various religious minorities, the best way to keeping it functioning as one country is not through a single, homogenous version of nationalism and religion; but with a political respect for diversity and plurality; and this can only come about through a robust democratic system.
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wow!
this is from the link that ravage posted and how absolutely true it is.