We need to ask why these Chechens use terror

Here’s another great article by Yasmin in yesterday’s Independent - balanced, powerful and to the point:

http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/yasmin_alibhai_brown/story.jsp?story=346500

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
28 October 2002
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Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: We need to ask why these Chechens use terror
Well, at last, and for the worst of all reasons, we are buzzing about Chechnya like furious bees. In that sense, at least, those homicidal men and women who took over the theatre in Moscow achieved something.

They were callous. They imprisoned the innocent, killed three of them and terrified the rest, until the Russian authorities stormed in leaving more a hundred dead and many more injured. The media and the Russian authorities describe them as Muslim separatists, not as paramilitaries fighting for freedom from Russian occupation, which is how they see themselves. We may loathe their latest act of terror – and I do without reservation – but that is no excuse to misrepresent deliberately the excruciating struggles of the Chechen people, which, in the eyes of radicalised Muslims is just one more example of how unfair the world is to their people.

Depressingly, the only time Muslims get seen and heard by the world is when the pitiless among them turn to sickening violence or if they threaten Armageddon. Until this happens, their grievances and aspirations are ignored or crushed by the powerful. When it happens, moral authority is claimed by the latter to perpetuate accusations against all Muslims. Serb nationalists are not seen as Christian terrorists, nor did their activities ever blight all other Christians. But Muslims are different. We now know, guys, that damned Muslims are the indisputable barbarians in the new globalised world where all the rest of humanity has embraced the postmodern universe of pleasure and profit.

Even Russia, our old enemy now smiles and shakes our hands. Old Communists are so much more civilised than these clothheads who did the twin towers, Bali and now Moscow, not to mention all those sniper murders in and around Washington. All bloody al-Qa’ida, obviously. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ulrika was molested by a Muslim (you know how they are with blondes).

You could see this as the continuation of what Edward Said and other scholars have called “Orientalism”, the demonisation of and unjustifiable violence against Muslims through history. Did you know, for example, that Muslims were persecuted from 1820 to 1920 across Eastern Europe and the Caucasus, including in Bulgaria, Georgia and, yes, Russia? Tolstoy described this in the 1840s: “Russian soldiers did not let the women and children escape the horrors that followed as they entered the houses under the cover of darkness, horrors no official narrators dared describe.”

For months now I have thought about an eight-year-old girl who was repeatedly raped by Russian soldiers in Chechnya after watching her mother go through the same. The child apparently did not cry at all and let the men push her on to the next, then the next rapist. She told her aunt she did not want to upset further her bleeding and screaming mother. Her father had been shot and her two brothers had disappeared, and like the African American writer Maya Angelou, who was raped as a child, this girl is now wilfully dumb.

Chechnya is full of shallow mass graves with chunks of bodies, hacked or blown apart. Vanessa Redgrave last year hosted a meeting in London with Ahmed Zakeav, the Minister of Culture in Chechnya, a deeply civilised man who condemns terror and the vengeful brutality of extremist Chechens. I believed his account of the human rights violations by the Russian army ignored by the US and UK. As the Palestinian academic Daud Abdullah says in a recent essay: “After 11 September, international criticism of Russia’s human rights record in the Caucasus faded into silence. By playing the ‘war against terror’ card, Russia managed to deflect attention [from] the extra-judicial killings, detentions, torture and sexual abuse.”

The rape story was e-mailed to me by a human rights activist. I have known her for many years, and she is no apologist for all things Muslim. Before this she was in the villages of Pakistan where tribal leaders were using rape as a weapon against families who transgressed. She, like me, is a Muslim by birth and one who struggles to keep her principles steady at this time when Muslims do so much wrong and are also much, much wronged.

If the raped child ends up with explosives strapped to her body to blow up theatre-goers or sports supporters or travellers, is it possible to understand her actions? Or is this understanding itself criminal because it is, in fact, showing tacit approval of horrific acts by suicide bombers who are increasingly targeting civilians? Yes, to the first and a resounding no to the second. We need the courage to ask difficult questions just when anger and outrage are pushing us towards retribution where again the innocent will pay a greater price than the guilty.

In this new world order, how do the oppressed secure their rights or even have their voices heard? Passive resistance would have no impact. They cannot win straight battles because they are utterly out-armed whether by Israel, Russia, India and, ultimately, the US, whose expenditure on arms now exceeds that of every other country put together. The Gulf War and the war on Iraq to come are calculatedly unequal, with no deaths expected on our side and no need to count the bodies of the opposition.

To make things worse, this axis of good busily promotes the worst leadership in troubled areas, mostly people who can be bought off cheaply in return for ensuring that nothing like real democracy or civil society can emerge. For what will the powerful globe runners do if there are assertive democracies in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq and Chechnya, or breakaway republics in China? Why would they say anything unpalatable to the Hindu fundamentalist Indian government that allowed 5,000 Muslims to be massacred in Gujarat after Muslim extremists killed hundreds of Hindus?

Am I here turning Stalinist Muslims into the real victims? No. I hate what they do. I hate their idea of Islam. I hate their hatred for all things Western. I reject the idea that the end justifies the means.

Suicide bombers, whatever the injustices they are fighting, do more harm than good. They make it easier for the enemies of Islam to make life even worse than it has been for Muslims in the last 20 years. The majority of Muslims worldwide would agree with me. But we will not be believed because we cannot provide the proof that is required of us; we will not parrot the lies of Bush, Blair, Putin or Sharon, or of the BJP in India. We can see too clearly that these leaders share the responsibility for the terrifyingly unstable world we are all now trying to cope with.

Unless they understand this, more and more angry young Muslims will turn up to join groups that offer their rage direction and weapons. And be very afraid because they, too, are globalised; they are fighting a guerrilla war in a world without boundaries. Unconfirmed reports say that the women who held the hostages in the theatre were from the Middle East. Like the Britons fighting with al-Qa’ida, these are the new transnationals. They are indestructible because they are happy to die. They will always find support and places to hide because for millions of the disenfranchised, these obscene counterblasts may feel like the only way to get a better deal for themselves and their children.

We need to ask why these Chechens use terror

Nice article...i agree with most..if not all of it.

We need to ask why these Russians and Americans use terror also

The chechens are supressed and nobody in the muslim world is helping them they are basically suriving by fighting to defend themselves.

If you was in there sitiuation where your family gets either raped or killed then you tell me what you would do.

The chechens have declared they are taking the war in chechenya to the streets of russia. If the russians want to bombs kill and maim the innocent in chechenya then they can expect the same on streets of moscow.

This author of article can sit in London or where the hell she is and write nice articles but she has’nt got a clue what it feels like to be opressed or under constant bombing. :mad2:

Today’s Chechen freedom fighters will endup being called 2maros terrorists. So lets not look at non-believers for justice. What comes is from Allah (swt).

There is no need to justify it neither there is any need to explain. One should only look at how the Russians treated their own by poisoning them just so they can hide from shame.

The sons of SheeShan are the new age Afghans. Sheeshans sent their youth to Kashmir and they also offered their Mujaheedeens for the Intafaada. When the Taliban took power of Afghanistan, hundreds of Taliban were sent to Sheeshan by the orders of Mullah Omar. When Afghanistan was attacked after Sep. 11, hundreds of Sheeshans rushed towards Afghanistan to help their brothers. It didn’t matter who the fight was for, Osama or his mama, Muslims were under attack and that’s what mattered.

This is an internal affair; it is really pathetic to see Muslims trying to explain themselves and their problems to those who are actually responsible for their miseries.

Pathetic the stage of Muslims.

bilkul sahih mokadaar. very very true. that is the weakness. we try to explain to our enemies and treat them so nicely, where is the faith? to hell with what kafirs think, think about what allah thinks. today the people are chechens are labelled as terrorists, so are kashmiris, so are palestinians, next who is it? we are being slaughtered and driven out of our homes, and then when you try to resist you are a terrorist. this is the worst injustice i have seen, and it is unbelievable and the true evil of these people. who said russia is the terrorist? those in the theatre were not terrorists, they were people who have reacted to the terrorists. do not speak with them, do not negotiate with them, they are not people to trust, INDIA,ISRAEL AND RUSSIA. they do not want peace so what is the alternative? just sit and die, just let your mothers be raped, let your sisters be widows, let your brother be humiliated?? what more do you want to happen until you realise these kafirs are evil.

This article is obviously provocative, to muslims and non-muslims alike, which is what it is meant to be. Your response to it could be any one of (or more):

1) Yasmin is doing a great job. She is demonstrating that, as well as criticising injustice against muslims, that muslims can be self critical too. This is a great quality and the only way we develop as better human beings in the global community. She is using her talent as a gifted writer to publicise the plight of muslims in an objective way and in so doing countering the negative perceptions that much of the media tends to portray of muslims. This is no small feat as, newspapers are read by millions and, it is by these small steps that perceptions of muslims and of the realities of the world are changed. When public opinion changes, government policies have to change.

2) "This author of article can sit in London or where the hell she is and write nice articles but she has'nt got a clue what it feels like to be opressed or under constant bombing" (ak47)

True but that counts for 99% of us. None of us know what it is really like unless we're there. But that is no reason not to report what it is like (based on witnesses) to the outside world.

3) Then there are the Mokadaars and Talib-Khans of this world - the world is black and white - evil vs good. We can live in the land of the kafirs but don't we dare start liking, understanding or even influencing them lest we be corrupted. As we are victims everything is permissable in retaliation. There is no middle ground, no room for compromise, only doom and gloom. The only brightness is that this appeals to a small minority.

Where do you sit ?

4) And then there are people like RedMango – Mr/Ms know it all better then you and me. Well understood in making assumptions, stereotyping and generalizing. Better learned and better thought, ready to preach you and me. Forget about Jesus, Buddha or God, do what feels right and feels good. "Judge a book by its cover" type.

Unfortunately they come in a minority that today are ruling over the majority. Why? Because they hide in their hearts what they concealed behind a smile.

Though ironically, these types have a lot in common with serial killers and mass murderers. They also make good dictators.

The questions brings up many more questions.

If the Chechnyan rebels were not affiliated with Wahhabism, militants for hire, banditry and kidnapping, would they gain the world's sympathy?

If the threat of a militant Islamic state governed by Sharia law in Russia's backyard did not exist, would Checnya stand a better chance for self-autonomy?

If they could come up with a stable, representative, and peaceful representation could they further their cause?

Should Russia be encouraged to further democractic and representative government?

Do all majority-area Muslims have to have their own nation? Is violence aimed at civilians the only way to achieve it?

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4) And then there are people like RedMango – Mr/Ms know it all better then you and me. Well understood in making assumptions, stereotyping and generalizing. Better learned and better thought, ready to preach you and me. Forget about Jesus, Buddha or God, do what feels right and feels good. "Judge a book by its cover" type.

Unfortunately they come in a minority that today are ruling over the majority. Why? Because they hide in their hearts what they concealed behind a smile.

Though ironically, these types have a lot in common with serial killers and mass murderers. They also make good dictators.
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Of course - throw the "stereotyping, generalising..preaching..judge a book by its cover .." garb at anyone you don't agree with. Scores easy points. On the the other hand I wouldn't totally disagree with it - I'd say we're all guilty of it to some degree though we may not know it. Taking a step back and reflecting often helps.

As for "serial killers, mass murderers and dictators..". Again I would suggest there is no claim to a monopoly on that score, they can be found in all camps ...OBL, Taliban, Israel, Russia for example, all come to mind in equal measures.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
The questions brings up many more questions.

If the Chechnyan rebels were not affiliated with Wahhabism, militants for hire, banditry and kidnapping, would they gain the world's sympathy?

If the threat of a militant Islamic state governed by Sharia law in Russia's backyard did not exist, would Checnya stand a better chance for self-autonomy?

If they could come up with a stable, representative, and peaceful representation could they further their cause?

Should Russia be encouraged to further democractic and representative government?

Do all majority-area Muslims have to have their own nation? Is violence aimed at civilians the only way to achieve it?
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
The questions brings up many more questions.

If the Chechnyan rebels were not affiliated with Wahhabism, militants for hire, banditry and kidnapping, would they gain the world's sympathy?

If the threat of a militant Islamic state governed by Sharia law in Russia's backyard did not exist, would Checnya stand a better chance for self-autonomy?

If they could come up with a stable, representative, and peaceful representation could they further their cause?

Should Russia be encouraged to further democractic and representative government?

Do all majority-area Muslims have to have their own nation? Is violence aimed at civilians the only way to achieve it?
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Seminole

Good questions, and worth debating.

On your first question - in Yasmin's article she seems to imply that the Chechens see themselves as 'paramilitaries fighting for freedom from Russian occupation' and that the 'Muslim separatists' label has been given to them by the media and the Russian authorities. I have no idea to what extent this is true, or to what extent the influence, if any, of foreign 'jihadi' assistance has made this a 'muslim separatist' issue.

Nevertheless, I would say that it helps the Russian cause in front of the world to be fighting those 'evil muslims', especially after Sept 11. So I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians play up the 'islamic threat' issue instead of recognising it as another long standing freedom struggle originating from the days of suppressive Soviet expansion.

Do all majority-area Muslims have to have their own nation? Interestingly, despite all the discrimination and hardship the Indian Muslims tend to suffer (the non Kashmiris I mean) at the hand of the majority Hindu's, the vast majority of them still favour a united India. Go to any India versus Pakistan cricket match and you'll see where their heart lies. So, your assumption isn't universal.

Is violence aimed at civilians the only way to achieve it (i.e freedom)? Sadly, very sadly, history seems to be on the side of those who suggest that violence pays. The IRA in Northern Ireland.. Anti Apartied in South Africa.. are two examples. It took years and years of violence by the weak, counter violence and suppression by the strong before both parties got fed up or the stronger party came out of favour with world opinion, before they sat down to talk. However, alongside the violence, in both exmples above there was a political process and a 'mass-movement' process aimed at influencing public and governmental opinion on behalf of the weak.

Contradiction in ones own words

The phrase "No one is perfect" seems so true at times.

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Of course - throw the "stereotyping, generalising..preaching..judge a book by its cover .." garb at anyone you don't agree with. Scores easy points. On the the other hand I wouldn't totally disagree with it - I'd say we're all guilty of it to some degree though we may not know it. Taking a step back and reflecting often helps.

As for "serial killers, mass murderers and dictators..". Again I would suggest there is no claim to a monopoly on that score, they can be found in all camps ...OBL, Taliban, Israel, Russia for example, all come to mind in equal measures.
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Contradiction in ones own words

The phrase "No one is perfect" seems so true at times.

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mmm..interesting. The 'contradiction' idea sheds some light into your thinking..however I may be accused again of making assumptions and generalisations ..so without saying much more maybe the following will illucidate:

Is it possible to be a Muslim and denounce terror, whether it is from non-muslims on muslims, or muslims on non-muslims, or muslims on muslims, or non-muslims on non-muslims ? Yes it is.

Is it possible and necessary to understand why acts of terror on civilians are committed, without endorsing it ? Yes, very much so, getting to the route cause is the only way to solve it (but sadly, not much evidence in this being practiced right now).

In terms of 'no one is perfect' -- very encouraging to see a meeting of minds here !