'We killed 30 civilians in six weeks. I felt we were committing genocide'

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=523992&host=3&dir=75

During 12 years in the US Marines, including three years putting new recruits through boot camp, Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey hardly questioned his role. But what he saw in Iraq changed that.

“In a month and a half my platoon and I killed more than 30 civilians,” Mr Massey said. He saw bodies being desecrated and robbed, and wounded civilians being dumped by the roadside without medical treatment. After he told his commanding officer that he felt “we were committing genocide”, he was called a “wimp”.

Mr Massey, who was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress and depression, left the Marines in November. Back home in the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina, he says the cause of the uprising in Iraq is that “we killed a lot of innocent people”.

His 7th Marine Weapons Company, armed with machine guns and missiles, was one of the first into the country in March last year. “We would take over villages and control checkpoints,” he said. “My men and I would fire warning shots at oncoming vehicles. But, if they didn’t stop, we didn’t have any qualms about loading them up.”

The Marines were told that Iraqis were filling ambulances with explosives, and that soldiers were dressed as civilians, but after pouring fire into vehicles and hearing no explosions, they started to doubt the truth of these claims.

“Iraqi military compounds had nothing in them, except for dismantled tanks, equipment that was barely functioning, and barracks that looked like ghost towns,” Mr Massey said.

The incident that haunts him most took place early in April, near an Iraqi military compound five miles from Baghdad’s airport. **“There were approximately 10 demonstrators near a tank,” he said. "We heard a shot in the distance and we started shooting at them. They all died except for one. We left the bodies there.

"We noticed that there were some RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades] about 200 metres away from them - they might have come from the military compound. The demonstrators had the ability to fire at us or at the tank, but they didn’t. The survivor was hiding behind a column about 150 metres away from us. I pointed at him and waved my weapon to tell him to get away. Half of his foot had been cut off. He went away dragging his foot. We were all laughing and cheering.

"Then an 18-wheeler [truck] came speeding around. We shot at it. One of the guys jumped out. He was on fire. The driver was dead. Then a Toyota Corolla came. We killed the driver, the other guy came out with his hands up. We shot him too.

“A gunny from Lima Company came running and said to us: ‘Hey, you just shot that guy, but he had his hands up.’ My unit, my commander and me were relieved of our command for the rest of the day. Not more than five minutes later, the Lima Company took up our position and shot a car with one woman and two children. They all died.”

The next day the platoon guarded a checkpoint at Baghdad Stadium. “A red Kia Spectra sped toward us at about 45mph. We fired a warning volley above it but the car kept coming. Then we aimed at the car and fired with full force. The Kia came to a stop right in front of me, three of the four men shot dead, the fourth wounded and covered in blood. We called the medics, but he died before they arrived. That day we killed three more civilians in the same circumstances. I talked to my captain afterwards and told him: ‘It’s a bad day.’ He said: ‘No, it’s a good day.’”**

Mr Massey watched as badly injured Iraqis were repeatedly “tossed on the side of the road without calling medics”. His reaction to the event that triggered the recent siege of Fallujah - the sight of the blackened, mutilated bodies of four American private security men - was that “we did the same thing to them”.

Iraqis, he said, “would see us debase their dead all the time. We would be messing around with charred bodies, kicking them out of the vehicles and sticking cigarettes in their mouths. I also saw vehicles drive over them. It was our job to look into the pockets of dead Iraqis to gather intelligence. However, time and time again, I saw Marines steal gold chains, watches and wallets full of money.”

Several members of his platoon expressed concern that so many civilians were being killed, but Mr Massey says he told them: “We’ve got a job to do.” Finally, however, he voiced his own doubts to his commanding officer. “I told him I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq, that we were doing harm to a culture. He said nothing and walked away. I knew my career was over.” Later, he says, his superior poured abuse on him, saying, “You’re a poor leader. You’re faking it. You’re a conscientious objector, you’re a wimp.”

After being sent back to the US, Mr Massey was offered a desk job. “I had seven years until retirement from the Marine Corps, but I told them I didn’t want their money any more,” he said. The Marines’ slogan - “No better friend, no worse enemy” - now embitters the former sergeant, who says remorse keeps him awake at night.

“One day we would go into a city and set up roadblocks where civilian casualties would take place, and then the next morning we would undertake a humanitarian mission,” he said. “How do we expect people who’ve seen their brothers and mothers killed to turn around and welcome us with open arms?”

really sad but still our muslims want us to respect americans soldiers and jews.......
"One day we would go into a city and set up roadblocks where civilian casualties would take place, and then the next morning we would undertake a humanitarian mission," he said. "How do we expect people who've seen their brothers and mothers killed to turn around and welcome us with open arms?"
biggest fact really...thts y palestine people do suicide...for those who ere talking against tht have to read thi carefully
american soldiers should be destructed so badly tht nothing will left in their bodies to send to their country...really sad things coming up .

How do these animals call themselves better than Saddam. They are the worse thing to happen to Iraq ever. Shame on these heartless brutes. May they be treated the same.

Stick to the topic of this thread.

So they found weapons near the demonstators and shots were fired from near the crowd and speeding vehicles came ther way. Sounds like an attack under the cover of protestors.

Whose worse the American occupiers or the Israeli Occupiers

Its no contest a draw they bad as each other!.

** 'We killed 30 civilians in six weeks. I felt we were committing genocide' **

That has got to be the slowest genocidal campaign in the history of the world. At that kill rate, it will take us 100,000 years to complete the job (not accounting for new births).

myvoice... you almost sound disappointed :D

^ Just being pragmatic.

If we're really spending $4 to $10 billion per month to commit a genocide, then we should get it over with in a couple months rather than stretch it out over 100,000 years. It makes no sense to unnecessarily hurt the American taxpayer's pocketbooks by stretching it out.

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If we're really spending $4 to $10 billion per month to commit a genocide
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wrong again. genocide is not the star attraction, its merely a byproduct. an unfortunate byproduct, if you would.

At least you’re willing to concede that genocide is not our objective and that it is merely a byproduct of our true goals.

According to sources, we have spent $176 BILLION in the war and occupation to date. occupationwatch.org

Iraqi Body Count puts the maximum number of Iraqi civilians that we’ve killed at 11,010. http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

That works out to an expenditure of roughly $16 million per killed Iraqi civilian. Talk about an expensive genocide!!! :eek: Heck, a Daisy Cutter’s production cost is only around $27,000 each. For the same $16 million that it costs us to kill one Iraqi civilian under current policy, we could produce 592 Daisy Cutters. Dropped in strategic locations, a well thought out genocidal plan could surely wipe out half a million per $16 million expended.

Genocide??? ** NOT **

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At least you're willing to concede that genocide is not our objective and that it is merely a byproduct of our true goals.
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i have never said that us is in iraq to carry out a genocide. but thats exactly what they are doing (among other things), if we are to believe this marine staff sergeant. go figure!

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'We killed 30 civilians in six weeks. I felt we were committing genocide' **

That has got to be the slowest genocidal campaign in the history of the world. At that kill rate, it will take us 100,000 years to complete the job (not accounting for new births).
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Absolutely, genocide and murder are not quite the same, lets differnciate and not be melodramatic.

The saying that the murder of one civilian is one murder too many holds a philosophical truth but lets not belittle the atrosity of genocides by holding it parallel to 30 innocent deaths.

Let there be no doubt that I dislike the Bush administration and the various astrocities commited thereof, however the war crimes that they have committed are not nearly as henious as some, and we should keep that in perspective.

Yes it is fun, and altogeather dandy to blanket condemn an arrogant and altogeather morally anal nation, however it is altogeather unattractive to be as estupid as to pretend being so ignorantly indignant.

What the hell did you poeple expect war was about?

The rapes, deaths, power trips, poverty, hunger are all a price that every nation under the occupation of foreign troops has had to suffer. It is not correct. (obviously) but they should not be ignored as inevitable facts. Borne of human nature rather than as an indication of a nation or a peoples.

^ Well said. (Except the part about the "morally anal nation.")

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How do these animals call themselves better than Saddam. They are the worse thing to happen to Iraq ever. Shame on these heartless brutes. May they be treated the same.
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Saddam, in comparison is positively angelic.

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Saddam, in comparison is positively angelic.
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annother one for the joke bin