I know that some of you already have their weapons out, right after reading the title of this thread, but just listen to me
There are two reasons where we have to admit that Jamaat beats every other party, hands down
Jamaat Islami is the only party which in last 60 years did not divide into factions. Every other party, you name it has at least two. Even PTI in Sindh has a faction. So when it comes to unity with in party, they should be the role model
Jamaat is the only party where they have internal elections to choose their leader. Every other party, for her current leadership, is baap kee jageer. Benazir took over after Bhutto, Asfandyar took over after Wali Khan, Fazl-ur-Rahman took over after Mufti Mehmood.
Differences aside, one has to appreciate that aspect of Jamaat.
Your thoughts? (please avoid using the word Mullah in your replies)
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I have heard that they are very democratic in practice, in that they have internal elections... But besides this, what else have they got going for them? What have they done for the country that we should appreciate them?
Re: We have to appreciate Jamaat Islami for this one
Jamaat Islami is the only party which in last 60 years did not divide into factions. Every other party, you name it has at least two. Even PTI in Sindh has a faction. So when it comes to unity with in party, they should be the role model
Not sure though, how did "Tanzeeme Islami" came into being?
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2. Jamaat is the only party where they have internal elections to choose their leader. Every other party, for her current leadership, is baap kee jageer. Benazir took over after Bhutto, Asfandyar took over after Wali Khan, Fazl-ur-Rahman took over after Mufti Mehmood.
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OH gimme a break, you forgetting refusal of Qazi from stepping down as party leader which resulted in many senior party leadership quitting and forming their own party which is now either in hiding or something. This is not year or 2 year old thing I 'm talking about but probably a decade or so (may be totally wrong on dates too :D but not on events).
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I have heard that they are very democratic in practice, in that they have internal elections... But besides this, what else have they got going for them? What have they done for the country that we should appreciate them?
Don't want to "support" JI in their cause but atleast the mayor's of Karachi from JI have set good examples and now the ghundas who took over are under pressure to perform competitvely.
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I saw some body saying the That Modoodi was anti-Pakistan, please provide proofs
Modoodi did went against he formation of Pakistan, and the reason behind that was he thought the Pakistan which is being created by Jageerdars, Nawabs and Waderas can never be a Islamic country. Social Justice ( base of Islamic society) cannot be done if a country is ruled by landlords...
How true that was!!!
Modoodi was against this Pakistan which we have today, where a jageerdar actually owes the life of their farmers... even Illama Iqbal was against this system...
As far as a division of JI is concerned i think Modoodi's son also have a JI called Modoodi group.
Tanzeem-e-Islami has nothing to do with JI ( though Dr. Israar was part of JI), they have totally different approach.
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Many of the Ulemas who were involved in the founding of the Jama`at-e Islami left shortly afterwards in protest against Maududi's policies and leadership style.
Dr. Haider Maudoodi, the son of Maulana Maudoodi, has openly denounced the actions of Jamaati Islami, the very same Jamaat his father formed and a Jamaat that is following his example to the letter. He stated in **The Nation on 1/27/99 **that his father would not allow his children to go near Jihad, but would sell this idea to millions of others; he would never allow any of his children to read any of his 80 books. While Jamaati Islami was encouraging an uprising by Kashmiri’s against the Indian occupation, Haider Maudoodi stated, “Islam does not allow them taking up arms against the State” and praised Pakistani’s for not allowing religious extremists like Jamaati Islami members from attaining many seats in the National Assembly of Pakistan. “My father though he could only use the people who came to him. But in his old age, he did get a taste of his medicine. When he was on his deathbed, these Maulana’s treated him as dirt.”
Half a Century ago , Justice M.R Kiaani , wrote a verse in his book ' Afkaar'ay Parayshan ' . Very true indeed !
*Daik.taa kia hai mayray Moouh ki Taraaff
Qaid'e'Azaam ka PAKISTAN daik . *
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The proof is in your post!
I asked proofs for being Anti-Pakistan,
Modoodi dien in 1970s, after Pakistan came into existance till his death, which of his acitivity(s) suggests him as anti-Pakistan.. please mention those.
Re: We have to appreciate Jamaat Islami for this one
I know that some of you already have their weapons out, right after reading the title of this thread, but just listen to me
There are two reasons where we have to admit that Jamaat beats every other party, hands down
Jamaat Islami is the only party which in last 60 years did not divide into factions. Every other party, you name it has at least two. Even PTI in Sindh has a faction. So when it comes to unity with in party, they should be the role model
Jamaat is the only party where they have internal elections to choose their leader. Every other party, for her current leadership, is baap kee jageer. Benazir took over after Bhutto, Asfandyar took over after Wali Khan, Fazl-ur-Rahman took over after Mufti Mehmood.
Differences aside, one has to appreciate that aspect of Jamaat.
Your thoughts? (please avoid using the word Mullah in your replies)
1) The JI gets credit for being one of the most disciplined if not the most disciplined national party in Pakistan, although the MQM and ANP also deserve mention but their support is localised. The JI did go through the breakaway faction phase but much like the PPP, ANP & MQM. the factions have not survived. As examples Maudoodis son attempted to form one faction as did Dr Israr
2)What you say has merit, however Jatoi was PPP head for a fairly long period with the Bhuttos around. There was an almost 9-10 year gap between Asfandyar becoming ANP head and Wali Khan's retirement from politics. Asfandyar had to work his way up the ranks as student leader, MPA, MNA and finally head. However in both his and BB's case having the name Wali and Bhutto did help them enormously. Lastly Fazlu did not become party head of JUI staright away either, there was a power struggle between him and the old guard and I think he appeared on the scene some 5 years after his fathers death.
p.s: If i recall correctly Maudoodi was sentenced to death for his involvement in the 1950's anti Ahmadi riots.
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Ahhhh, the weapons are out. I knew that
About Dr. Israr and Tanzeem-e-Islami, we need to get our facts right.
Dr. Israr resigned from JI and formed TI but that is not a political party. Its a non-poltical movement to make people aware of what Islam state should look like. That is it.
You cannot call it a Faction.
They used to have elections in Iraq, too. Saddam Hussian was always getting 99.9% votes.
I am comparing JI with other political parties in Pakistan, not with Iraq. This is like Imran Khan comparing MQM votebank with Hitler vote bank. Totally irrelevent example.
There might be 1001 reasons why you should be against JI. I am pointing out towards something where they stand out.
One can learn something from there enemies, also. There is nothing wrong with that
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:k:
You forgot the shining achievment of Maududi their founder who spent his last years in the land his lot call the “Great Satan” - the USA where he died and is buried. Bloody munafiq!
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I am comparing JI with other political parties in Pakistan, not with Iraq. This is like Imran Khan comparing MQM votebank with Hitler vote bank. Totally irrelevent example.
There might be 1001 reasons why you should be against JI. I am pointing out towards something where they stand out.
One can learn something from there enemies, also. There is nothing wrong with that
Sorry, but you missed the point. Election dosent always equal institutional democracy within political parties. JI is no better than any other political party. Only time party leadership will change if Qzai dies or becomes dislable.