We are in a Fitnah ...

Assalaamu 'alaikum my respected brothers and sisters,

The brother in the Jumm’ah khutbah today reminded and warned us, that we are living during a time of great Fitnah.

During such an era, Allaah subhaan wa’taala takes away the scholars from us. This is evident from the passing away of the Noble Shaikh last week, ibn Baaz (raheemu’allaah), who was the greatest scholar of our time. May Allaah have Mercy on his soul.

Also, during such fitnah, there will be an abundance of wealth. And looking around us we can see, that Muslims are amongst the wealthiest in the world.

Further, during a time of Fitaan, there will be many da’waat i.e. callers, calling from the gates of Hell and inviting to such an abode. And we see many people calling to many things, but many of them are far away from the Religion Muhammad ibn Abdullaah salallaahu 'alayhi wassalam brought to us, and taught us.

The best thing to do in a time like this is to return to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and bite onto the Sunnah by the moelor teeth. In other words hold onto the Sunnah, with a strength that the moelor teeth have over the rest of the teeth. And do not be led astray by those calling out to other than the Deen of Allaah, even if they seem to be upon Islaam.

The words of Allaah and the teachings and examples of His beloved Messenger salallaahu 'alaihi wassalam (as understood by the companions) is the only thing that will save myself and save you.

… May Allaah guide us all.

[This message has been edited by Hasnain (edited May 21, 1999).]

Bismihi Ta’la
Assalam o alaikum …

Hasnain > The words of Allaah and the teachings and examples of His
Hasnain > beloved Messenger salallaahu 'alaihi wassalam (as understood
Hasnain > by the companions) is the only thing that will save myself
Hasnain > and save you.

Based on a mutawatir (as explained by M.M Azami, a ‘report of a large number of narrators whose agreement upon a lie is inconceivable’. Studies in Hadith Methodology and Literature, p43) tradition upon whose authenticity all Muslims agree, the Prophet informed his followers on several occasions that he would leave them with two precious/weighty things and that if they were to adhere (to both) of them, they will never go astray after him. They are the Book of Allah (Quran) and the members of his house (the ahl al-bayt).

It is narrated by Abul Husain Muslim b. al Hajjaj al Nisapuri (also known as Muslim) in his work Sahih Muslim (as well as many other sources) that:

Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah, stood to give us a speech beside a pond, which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum), located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded of Him, and then said: “O’ people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance … The other one is my ahl al bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my ahl al bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my ahl al bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my ahl al bayt. (three times).”

Sahih Muslim, chapter: The virtues of the companions, Section: The virtues of 'Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1873, tradition: 36. For English version, chapter CMXCVI, v4, p1286, tradition: 5920

Hasnain > … May Allaah guide us all.

The examples of the Prophet (peace be upon him) can ALSO be understood and followed by the ahlul bayt. To restrict it merely to the ashab doesn’t serve any merit, especially when the Prophet (peace be upon him) reminds us of the ahlul bayt.

Regards

Abbas, Ali
www.al-islam.org

Asalamu Alaikum,

I have a question about something that was said in the reply to this post. I see that you've written:

"Based on a mutawatir (as explained by M.M Azami, a 'report of a large number of narrators whose agreement upon a lie is inconceivable'. Studies in Hadith Methodology and Literature, p43) tradition upon whose authenticity all Muslims agree, the Prophet informed his followers on several occasions that he would leave them with two precious/weighty things and that if they were to adhere (to both) of them, they will never go astray after him. They are the Book of Allah (Quran) and the members of his house (the ahl al-bayt)."

My question is this.. In the Prophet(SAW)'s last sermon I've read that the things we should cling to are the Qur'an and his example. And sometimes I see his family. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the actual Arabic says in this case.

I don't doubt that the value of the example of the family of the Prophet(SAW)is very important, but what I'm not sure of is what is actually said in this sermon and would like to know.

Personally I think that this most definatly is a time of fitnah.. everywhere you go, whatever you do, you can't avoid seeing so things that are not pleasing to Allah and this is among both Muslims and non-Muslims. I know some converts to Islam, who love Islam with all of their heart but have commented about how they are disappointed about the state of the Ummah that they are joining. Especially when this whole Kosavo crisis came up, I remember hearing a convert say "How can us as Muslims take the help of the US to save our fellow brother and sisters?" The sad this is when you have to reply that none of the Muslim countries are doing anything. I think I better just stop now, I'm getting upset just thinking about how our Muslim countries are being run by American puppets who comply with everything the US wants.

W'salam

Dear AliAbbas,

I will be frank and honest with you. There have been several occasions in the past where i have been in discussion and debate with Shi'ites over matters of aHadeeth. And there always comes a point when narrations are bought forward by both parties(Shi'ites and Sunnis) which do not agree. Sure, there will be refernces made to Muslim and Bukhaari, but these will even be contradictory where each group will claim to hold the correct hadeeth in matters of disagreement.

I personally find it a waste of time debating with some Shi'ites(partucularly Ath'Naashariya) on historical and hadeeth issues, as i'm sure Shi'ites would say the same to me. Days upon days could be spent engaged on a single subject without any ground being gained on either side when it comes to convincing the other.

For this very reason, i find it more productive when the discourse with Shi'ites is based around Tawheed. This is the foundation of Islaam, yet we differ upon such a fundemental. The first thing a Muslim should do is correct himself upon the basic creed before advancing. Why try to run before you can sit up to stand?

In Layman's terms, that hadeeth you presented above is fabricated!

... see what i mean?

kind regards

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Assalaamu 'alaikum Yacoob bhai,

I'm afraid i don't have the Arabic translation of the Prophet (sallalaahu 'alaihi wassallam's) last sermon with me right now. However, the Saheeh narration does state, " ... I leave behind two things - the Qur'aan and my Sunnah ..."

Brother Abdulla posted the whole narration in English several months back on this forum. And what i can say, is that he submitted the authentic narration to that hadeeth, unlike the one AliAbbas has written above. If you would like a reminder, i'll try and dig it up again ... please let me know Insha'Allaah.

No doubt the family (radhi'Allaahu anhum) of the Prophet(salallaahu 'alaihi wassallam) is of great significance. But one cannot manipulate and change hadeeth according to ones desires. For this is a grave sin.

As Muslims we should have the utmost respect for all the Prophet (salaallaahu alaihi wassallam's) family and wives, which is more than can be said for some people ... and May Allaah guide them. However, the truth cannot be altered, and our religion is the truth ... Islaam is complete and the ink is dry.

Wassalaam,
Fi'Amaan'Allaah

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Bismihi Ta’ala
Assalam o alaikum

Even though, we have differences, i have begun my dis-course with an extended greeting of peace and and affirmation of what Allah SWT has bestowed us with. i find it rather offensive that some people chose to selective offer this greeting to some and not to others. in any case, i have made my position clear.

To those who suggest that the tradition of the ‘Quran and the ahlul bayt’ is a fabrication, I would suggest looking up this title, that also has the arabic text with it.

www.al-islam.org/thaqalayn/nontl/index.HTM

To deny the authenticity of this hadith is like denying the sun on a bright day.

As to the conflict between the tradition of the ‘Quran and the ahlul bayt’ and ‘Quran and the sunnah’ only those whose knowledge in in-adequate will say that it is a fabrication and a contradiction. The two hadith make it amply clear that the ‘sunnah of the Prophet’ lies with the household of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

Hopefully, we can open our eyes and attest to the truthfulness of the matter.

Iltimase duas

Ali Abbas
www.al-islam.org/index

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Bismihi Ta’la
Assalam o alaikum.

Here is some further deliberation …

Tradition of the ‘Quran and my Sunnah’

The Sunnis voice their objection to the said tradition of the two weighty things, wording it differently to read, ‘I have left among you the book of Allah and my sunnah’.

Needless to say, both traditions do not contradict one another, because the authentic ‘sunnah’ is preserved with the ahl al bayt, and the residents of the house know better what their house contains.

On tracing the source of this report from Abu Huraira which states “Quran and sunnah” it has not been recorded in any of the six authentic Sunni collections of the traditions (sihah as sitta). Not only that, but also al-Bukhari, al-Nisa’i, and al-Dhahabi and many others rated this report (Quran and sunnah) to be weak because of its weak isnad (as explained by M.M Azami, ‘ isnad, according to Arabic lexicography means the thing on which another relies. As we rely on the narrators for the knowledge of the statement of the Prophet this chain is called isnad.’ Studies in Hadith Methodology and Literature, p32). For a detailed discussion on this aspect refer to The Shia are Ahl al Sunnah, chapter 20: Is it “the Book of Allah and my Progeny” or “the Book of Allah and my Sunnah?”, Tijani al Samawi, Vantage Press.

Moreover, the word “sunnah” in itself does not serve the purpose of knowledge. All muslims irrespective of their persuasions claim that they follow the sunnah of the Prophet. The differences among muslims surfaces from the transmitted Prophetic traditions through different avenues. Such traditions serve as an explanatory means of understanding the Quran, a principle upon which all muslims agree. Thus, a divergence in the transmitted traditions, has led to a differing in the interpretation of Quran and the prophetic sunnah. All muslims, as a result, splintered into different schools, groups, offshoots, which is believed to add up to seventy three groups.

The Prophet as usual thus clarifies:

I am leaving for you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to both of them you shall not go astray after me. They are: the Book of Allah and my progeny, that is my ahl al bayt. The Merciful has informed me that these two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise).

  • Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 662-663,328

  • al-Mustadrak, al-Hakim, chapter: Understanding (the virtues) of Companions, v3, pp 109,110,148,533 who wrote this tradition is authentic (sahih) based on the criteria of the two shaykhs (Bukhari and Muslim).

  • Sunan, Daarami, v2, p432

  • Musnad, Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, pp 14,17,26,59, v4, pp 366,370-372,v5, pp 182,189,350,366,419

  • Fadha’il al-Sahaba, Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p585, tradition: 990

  • al-Khasa’is, al-Nisa’i, pp 21,30

  • al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, Ibn Hajar Haithami, Ch. 11, section 1, p230

  • al-Kabir, al-Tabarani, v3, pp 62-63,137

  • Kanz al-Ummal, al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, chapter: al-I’tisam bi Habl Allah v1 p44.

  • Tafsir, Ibn Kathir (complete version), v4, p113, under commentary of verse 42:23 of Quran (four traditions).

  • al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Ibn Sa’d, v2, p194, Pub. Dar al-Sadr, Lebanon.

  • al-Jami’ al-Saghir, al-Suyuti, v1, p353, and also in v2

  • Majma’ al-Zawa’id, al-Haithami, v9, p163

  • al-Fatih al-Kabir, al-Binhani, v1, p451

  • Usudul Ghaba fi Ma’rifat al-Sahaba, Ibn al-Athir, v2, p12

  • Jami’ al-Usul, Ibn al-Athir, v1, p187

  • History, Ibn Asakir, v5, p436

  • al-Taj al-Jami’ Lil Usul, v3, p308

  • al-Durr al-Manthur, al-Hafidh al-Suyuti, v2, p60

  • Yanabi al-Mawadda, al-Qunduzi al-Hanafi, pp 38,183

Ahl al Bayt and similitude to the Ark of Noah

The story of the ark of Noah remains a reminder, an everlasting sign and warning to mankind – a sign of deliverance to the righteous. Allah says in the Quran: ‘He (once) set Noah to his people, and he tarried among them a thousand years less fifty: but the deluge overwhelmed them while they (persisted) in sin. But we saved him and his companions of the ark, and we made the (ark) a sign for all peoples!’ (Quran, 29:14-15) and also ‘At length, behold! There came our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: Embark therein, of each kind, two, male and female, and your family – except those whom against the word has already gone forth – and the believers. But only a few believed in him. So he said: Embark ye on the ark in the name of Allah, whether it move or be at rest! For my Lord is, be sure, Oft forgiving, Most Merciful!. (Quran, 11:40-1)

And the words of the Prophet:

Behold! My ahl al bayt are like the Ark of Noah. Whoever embarked in it was saved, and whoever turned away from it was perished.

 al-Mustadrak, al-Hakim, v2, p343, v3, pp 150-151 on the authority of Abu Dhar. al-Hakim said this tradition is authentic (sahih).
 Fadha’il al-Sahaba, Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p786
 Tafsir al-Kabir, Fakhr al-Razi, under the commentary of verse 42:23, Part 27, p167
 al-Bazzar, on the authority of Ibn Abbas and Ibn Zubair with the wording “drowned” instead of “perished”.
 al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, Ibn Hajar Haithami, Ch. 11, section 1, p234 under verse 8:33. Also in section 2, p282. He said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
 Tarikh al-Khulafaa and Jami’ al-Saghir, al-Suyuti
 al-Kabir, al-Tabarani, v3, pp 37,38
 al-Saghir, al-Tabarani, v2, p22
 Hilyatul Awliyaa, Abu Nu’aim, v4, p306
 al-Kuna wal Asmaa, al-Dulabi, v1, p76
 Yanabi al-Mawadda, al-Qunduzi al-Hanafi, pp 30,370
 al-Durr al-Manthur, al-Hafidh al-Suyuti, v9, p115
 Kanz al Ummal, Muttaqi al Hindi, v6 p216, tradition: 3772
 Dhakha’ir al-Uqba, Muhibb al-Tabari, p20
 Tarikh, al-Khateeb Baghdadi, v12, p19

The above tradition is also narrated by Ibn Abbas, Anas ibn Malik, Abu Said al Khudri, Abdullah bin Zubair. It affirms the understanding that those who adopt and turn towards the school of ahl al bayt and follow them, will be ranked among the righteous ones.

It is this message that is echoed again by the Prophet,

Do not be ahead of them for you will perish, do not turn away from them for you will perish, and do not try to teach them since they know more than you do!

 al-Durr al-Manthur, al-Suyuti, v2, p60
 al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, Ibn Hajar al-Haithami, Ch. 11, section 1, p230, quoted from al-Tabarani, also in section 2, p342
 Usudul Ghaba, Ibn al-Athir, v3, p137
 Yanabi’ al-Mawadda, al-Qunduzi al-Hanafi, p41, and P335
 Kanz al-Ummal, al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v1, p168
 Majma’ al-Zawa’id, al-Haithami, v9, p163
 Abaqat al-Anwar, v1, p184
 A’alam al-Wara, pp 132-133
 Tadhkirat al-Khawas al-Umma, Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi al-Hanafi, pp 28-33
 al-Sira al-Halabiyya, Nur al-Din al-Halabi, v3, p273

Ahl al Bayt and similitude to the Gate of Repentance

A Quranic reference to this is: ‘And remember when We said: Enter this town, and eat of the plenty therein as ye wish, but enter the gate with humility, in posture and in words, and We shall forgive you your faults and increase (the portion of) those who do good.’ (Quran, 2:58)

The Prophet in his tradition also speaks of in the same vein:

My ahl al bayt are like the gate of repentance of the children of Israel; whoever entered therein was forgiven.

 Majma’ al-Zawa’id, by al-Haithami, v9, p168
 al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani, tradition: 18
 Arba’in, by al-Nabahani, p216
 al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, by Ibn Hajar al-Haithami, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 230,234
 Another fairly similar tradition was recorded by al-Darqatuni as well as Ibn Hajar in his al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, Ch. 9, section 2, p193 where the Prophet said: “Ali is the gate of repentance, whoever entered therein was a believer and whoever went out was an unbeliever.”

Those of the companions of Moses who did not enter the gate of the repentance were lost in the desert for forty years, while those who did not enter the ark of Noah were drowned. Ibn Hajar concludes that:

The analogy of the ark of Noah signifies that those who love and honor the ahl al bayt and derive from their guidance will be rescued from the darkness of opposition, and those who will turn against them will be drowned in the sea of ingratitude and will perish in the desert of insubordination and rebellion. (al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, by Ibn Hajar, p91)

Different chains of the tradition of two weighty things (al-thaqalayn) prove conclusively that it is a matter very dear to the Prophet and hence, the repetition on the authority of more than thirty of the companions through various sources, attests to its importance. The Prophet repeated these words over and over again (and not merely in one isolated instance but on several occasions) publicly to stress its importance. He made the announcement during the farewell pilgrimage, on the day of Arafat, on the day of Ghadir Khum, on the return from Ta’if, also in Medina from the pulpit, and in his deathbed when the room was packed with his disciples, he said:

O folk! I am soon going to depart from here, and although I have already told you, I repeat once more that I am leaving with you two things, namely, the Book of Allah and my descendants, that is, my Ahlul-Bait." Then he lifted Ali by the hand and said: "Behold! this Ali is with the Quran and the Quran is with him. These two shall never separate from each other until they come to me at the Pool of Kawthar. (al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2)

Ibn Hajar al-Haithami wrote:

The traditions of adherence has been handed down through a large number of sources and more than twenty of the disciples have related it.

And further,

Here a doubt arises, and it is that while the tradition has come down through various sources, some say that the words were spoken during the last pilgrimage, others that they were spoken at Medina when he lay on his deathbed and the room was packed with his disciples, yet another saying that he spoke these words at Ghadir Khum, or in another hadith, on the return from Ta’if. But there is no inconsistency in these, since having regards to the importance and greatness of the Quran and the pure ahl al bayt, and with a view of emphasizing the point before the people, the Holy Prophet might have repeated these words on all these occasions so that any one who had not heard them before might hear them now." (al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, by Ibn Hajar al-Haithami, Ch. 11, section 1, p230)

Thus the prophetic instructions were clear in urging muslims to follow the interpretation of Quran and his sunnah as transmitted through the channel of ahl al bayt whose in-errancy, purity, and righteousness is confirmed by the Quran (the last sentence of verse 33:33).

Iltimase duas …

Ali Abbas
www.al-islam.org

Asalamu Alaikum,

Jazak'Allah Khairun to you both for your answers. I think my question has taken away from the initial point of this post which was to focus on what kind of fitnah we live in. I think all sects, no matter what their belief, will agree that this fitnah that surrounds us is indeed very scary, and we must rely on the initial sources of Islamic knowledge in order to keep as far away from it as possible. May Allah guide us all on the straight path and make us among those He is pleased with.

W'salam

AliAbbas,

If those Shi'ites who curse the Wives (radhi'allaahu unhum) of the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wassalam) and the Companions (radhi'allaahu anhum) repent and refrain from doing so, then i will be the first to greet them with the salaam.

I'm not doubting that some of the hadeeth that you presented are authentic, but this does not mean, that the wordings of other aHadeeth (e.g. The last sermon) can be altered to suit and support personal arguments and desires. As i said earlier, it's useless debating upon matters of hadeeth, when Tawheed has not even been agreed on. Neither has it been clarified whether you take from the same Qur'aan as we do, or do you await the Mehdi to deliver the 'authentic' version. For it is from the Qur'aan that tawheed is established.

However, i will not say anything further on this thread with respect to this discussion, as brother Yacoob pointed out, we're coming off the original issue.

Salaam Yacoob,

Firstly, please accept my apology for diverging off the initial topic in my previous post.

Indeed we live in a time of fitnah, and as you pointed out, regardless of sect, this is a worrying fact.

Also as you said, we need to try our utmost to keep far away from it, and in order to do so, we need to return and hold on tightly to the Deen of Allaah, namely the Qur'aan and the Sunnah according to the understanding of the companions.

But it's not just the West where this fitnah is evident, but also in Muslim countries. In our own countries we have forgotten our priorities in life and neglected our religion.

It's not surprising that the new Muslims you know are feeling somewhat confused over global Islamic affairs. We are large in number, but we are like 'wahan' (foam on the sea), where the non-Muslims have more influence on us than the Book of Allaah.

Indeed, May Allaah guide us all on the straight path and make us among those He is pleased with. Ameen.

Jazaak'Allaah khair akhi.

wassalaam

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Assalam O Alaikum

Jazakumulla Khair brother Hasnain. Shiasm is sure a Fitnah for the Muslim Ummah. May Allah SWT's wrath be upon Abdulla bin saba.

I do not really understand the believes of shiasm, first they talk about the family of Prophet SAW and then their behaviour towards the Mothers of the believers.

Though Hazrat Ali RAA was one of the greatest companions of Prophet SAW and no Muslim doubt his great character but the place Shias has given him is unjust and very near to Shirk. (considering they call YA ALI, and ...)

If they think Prophet SAW had already nominated Hazrat Ali RAA his successor, then in that case according to their belief, the companions of Prophet SAW went against his statement? This is nothing but a lie against the best and most loved Companions RAA of Prophet SAW. The proof of which one gets from the Quran.

Allah SWT says in Quran

"If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise." 9 - 40

"And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flOw, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement" 9 -100

"Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquillity on them and rewarded them with a near victory" 48 - 18

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward." 48 - 29

"(It is) for the poor who fled their homes and their possessions, seeking grace of Allah and (His) pleasure, and assisting Allah and His Messenger: these it is that are the truthful" 59 - 8

"And those who made their abode in the city and in the faith before them love those who have fled to them, and do not find in their hearts a need of what they are given, and prefer (them) before themselves though poverty may afflict them, and whoever is preserved from the niggardliness of his soul, these it is that are the successful ones" 59 - 9

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 22: Narrated Abu Said:
The Prophet said, "Do not abuse my companions for if any one of you spent gold equal to Uhud (in Allah's Cause) it would not be equal to a Mud or even a half Mud spent by one of them."

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 6: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Allah's Apostle addressed the people saying, "Allah has given option to a slave to choose this world or what is with Him. The slave has chosen what is with Allah." Abu Bakr wept, and we were astonished at his weeping caused by what the Prophet mentioned as to a Slave ( of Allah) who had been offered a choice, (we learned later on) that Allah's Apostle himself was the person who was given the choice, and that Abu Bakr knew best of all of us. Allah's Apostle added, "The person who has favored me most of all both with his company and wealth, is Abu Bakr. If I were to take a Khalil other than my Lord, I would have taken Abu Bakr as such, but (what relates us) is the Islamic brotherhood and friendliness. All the gates of the Mosque should be closed except the gate of Abu Bakr."

Still will you believe that Prophet SAW nominated Hazrat Ali RAA his successor ??

Do not be the one whose hearts Allah SWT has sealed.

Wa ma Alaina illal balagh.

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Bismihi Ta’la (In the name of the Most High)
Assalam o alaikum br. Adulla

You have asked a very pertinent question, and it’s relevance to the on-going discussion will shed light on how and why we view the ashab as we do.

Abdulla > If they think Prophet SAW had already nominated Hazrat Ali RAA
Abdulla > his successor, then in that case according to their belief, the companions
Abdulla > of Prophet SAW went against his statement? This is nothing but a lie
Abdulla > against the best and most loved Companions RAA of Prophet SAW.

Yes, they did dis-obey the Prophet (peace be upon him) and this was not the first time that they did so. As regarding the Prophetic instructions that deal with political matters such as succession, government, administration, legislation, invasions, etc., the ashab did not see that they had to follow or adhere to them in all circumstances; rather, they allowed themselves to practice a measure of research, discretion, and ijtihad

If they saw in opposing such texts a promotion of their cause, or an advantage to their power, they would oppose them. They may even seek to please the Prophet by doing just so. They were convinced that the Arabs would neither accept Ali's rule nor follow a text in such a matter**, since **he pressured them a great deal while enforcing the Will of Allah** in their regard, **spilling their blood with his sword** in while promoting the Word of Allah, **dismantling all their masks while defending the truth**, till Allah's Will became dominant in spite of every infidel. So, they would not obey him willingly, nor would they follow such texts except by force, having attributed to him the spilling of all blood in the way of Islam during the life-time of the Prophet (pbuh), according to their custom of retaliation in such circumstances, for they saw him as the only candidate upon whom they would seek revenge, especially since seeking revenge is usually done to the best among the foe's tribesmen, and the choicest of its clans. They knew that he was the best among the Hashimites, after the Messenger of Allah (pbuh), without any doubt or dispute. For this reason, the Arabs waited for a chance to annihilate him; they sought means to deal with him, and they bore a great deal of grudge against him and his descendants, till they leaped over them in a way that became well-known everywhere, and its shame filled the earth and the skies. **There is another reason:** Quraysh in particular and the Arabs in general **used to criticize Ali’s might in dealing with the enemies of Allah, the forcefulness of his method of dealing with those who trespass the limits of Allah or permit what He prohibited. They feared his enjoining right and forbidding wrong; they dreaded his justice in dealing with the subjects and his equity in every public issue. Nobody hoped for his concession nor dreamed of his compromise. The mighty and powerful are weak till he executes justice on them, and the weak and downtrodden are strong and dignified when he grants them what is rightfully theirs. So, how can the Arabs willingly submit to a man like that while “They are the foremost in disbelief and hypocrisy, so much so that they ought not know the limits of what Allah has revealed unto His Messenger ( Qur’an, 9:97),” and "Among the people of Medina are those who are stubborn in hypocrisy; you [O Our Prophet Muhammad] do not know them; We know them (Qur’an, 9:101), and among them are those who do not hesitate to commit anything insane.

There is still another reason. Quraysh in particular and Arabs in general used to envy him for the favours Allah bestowed upon him. He has been uplifted by Allah, His Messenger and the wise, to a sublime status due to his knowledge and feats; peers fall short of their attainment; those qualified hesitated to attempt to compete with him. He has, through his feats and attributes, won a status from Allah and His Messenger coveted by the hopeful, and a prestige unattainable by the most ambitious. For these reasons, jealousy filled the hearts of the hypocrites. The spiteful, ungrateful, and unequitable hypocrites, in addition to opportunists, all agreed not to discharge their responsibility towards him; therefore, they left these texts behind their backs, entrusting them to oblivion.

Also, whoever knows the history of Quraysh and the Arabs at the dawn of Islam would come to know that they did not yield to the Hashimite Prophethood except after being annihilated, being powerless; so, how could they have agreed that Hashim’s descendants should monopolize both prophethood and caliphate?

Umer ibn al-Khattab once said to Ibn Abbas in a dialogue between them:

(This is quoted by Ibn Abul-Hadid on page 107, Vol. 3, of Sharh Nahjul Balaghah, while discussing an issue worthy of the attention of researchers which is also discussed by Ibn al-Athir near the conclusion of `Umar’s biography on page 24, Vol. 3, of his Al-Kamil before discussing the story of the “consultation.”)

The incidents where the ashab differed and followed their own suit against the wishes of the Prophet(peace be upon him)are in-numerable:

1 – The Calamity of Thursday

Ibn Abbas said:

Ref: Sahih Muslim, Chapter of “Kitabul-Wasiyyah” in section “Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah”, 1980 Edition, Arabic version (Saudi Arabia), v3,P1259, Tradition (#1637/21).

The other version is given by al-Bukhari and Muslim which indicates the role of Umar in that catastrophe:

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadiths: 9.468 and 7.573

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The above tradition can also be found in Sahih Muslim, Chapter of “Kitabul- Wasiyyah” in section “Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah”, 1980 Edition, Arabic version(Saudi Arabia), v3, p1259, Tradition (#1637/22).

Furthermore in Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.716

In fact, most of the people who where present there, understood theintention of prophet, the same as what Umar did. Because prophet hadpreviously indicated the issue when he said several times that: “I shall leave for you two precious Symbols: The book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my family (Itrat & Ahlul-bayt). If you follow them, you will never go astray after me.” (Sahih al-Tirmidhi; a close version is also given in Sahih Muslim), and also they were present in Ghadir Khum where prophet said: “Whoever I am his master, Ali is his master.” (see Sahih al-Tirmidhi;Sunan Ibn Maja; Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal; al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim; Khasa’is, by al-Nisa’i). So when prophet during his illness said that “Let me write something that you never go astray after me”, those people whowere present, including Umar, quickly understood that prophet wants torepeat what he had already mentioned, but this time in writing. A fewQuranic verses should also be mentioned here. Allah said in Quran:

So when such a prophet, three days before his death, wished to write adocument of his will to save the Muslims from going astray, he was accused of talking no sense (paranoid)!

Finally, I would like to bring to your attention the importance and seriousness of the tragedy:

1- Notice that any person utters his most important wishes when he wants to write the statement of his will at the end of his life.

2- Notice the importance of the person who wants to write the will, who is the last Prophet of God, the best mankind ever. No human in the world was more enthusiastic than him about his community. The person who Allah has ordered us in Quran to follow him unconditionally.

3- Notice that prophet said this statement would be the key element in the destiny of Muslims according to the above traditions. They will never go astray if they abide it.In such critical moment, people who claimed to be his sincere companions, stopped/insulted him. Those companions are responsible for misleading the Muslims throughout history and the generations to come.

… to be continued insha 'Allah!

Abbas
www.al-islam.org

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Bismihi Ta’la (In the name of the Most High)
Assalam o alaikum …

Hasnain > If those Shi’ites who curse the Wives (radhi’allaahu unhum) of
Hasnain > the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wassalam) and the Companions
Hasnain > (radhi’allaahu anhum) repent and refrain from doing so, then i
Hasnain > will be the first to greet them with the salaam.

I appreciate your honesty in the matter. Please be advised that the Shi’as do not curse the Wives of the Prophet(peace be upon him) and neither do we slander the ashab. I surely believe in the Qur’an that states

Based on this, it is not for us to be pleased with them or to curse them. We cannot, however, follow them nor [can we] condone their deeds. I speak of all this so as to enlighten the people about the truth; maybe they will be guided on the right path.

The Commander of the Faithful, Imam 'Ali said: “Do not be amongst those who curse and swear, but rather say: ‘They did so and so, for this is more potent as a proof’”.

On the issue of cursing/abuse, Ibn Taymiya, states

Ref: As Sarimu l masul, Ibn Taymiyyah, page 579 Published in 1402/1982 by Alam al-Kutub

The name of Mulla Ali Qari requires no introduction to the Sunnis, andhe writes in his work of Sharah Fiqh al Akbar that

Ref: Sharah al Fiqh al Akbar, Mulla Ali Qari, Matba Uthmaniyah, Istanbul, 1303 page 130, Matba Mujtabai, Delhi, 1348, page 86, Matba Aftab e Hind, India, No date, page 86

The above quote was taken from three (3) editions, printed in India andTurkey. Now a new edition has been printed by Darul Lutubil Ilmiyah, Beirut in 1404/1984, which claims to be the first edition, and fromwhich four pages (including the above text) have been ommited. The deleted portion contains the declaration that

Do I need to further any comment?

Hasnain > I’m not doubting that some of the hadeeth that you presented are
Hasnain > authentic, but this does not mean, that the wordings of other
Hasnain > aHadeeth (e.g. The last sermon) can be altered to suit and support
Hasnain > personal arguments and desires. As i said earlier, it’s useless debating
Hasnain > upon matters of hadeeth, when Tawheed has not even been agreed
Hasnain > on. Neither has it been clarified whether you take from the same
Hasnain > Qur’aan as we do, or do you await the Mehdi to deliver the ‘authentic’
Hasnain > version. For it is from the Qur’aan that tawheed is established.

Firstly, you have cited no evidence for your claim. If you are truthful then where is the evidence? For the benefit of the reader, here is the hadith:

Ref: Sahih Muslim, Chapter of the Virtues of the companions, section of the Virtues of Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1873, Tradition #36, for the english version of Sahih Muslim, see Chapter CMXCVI, v4, p1286, Tradition #5920

Again, I urge you to read the text of the hadith in arabic at this profoundly researched article

Hadith al Thaqalayn: A Study of It’s Tawatur, based on Abaqat al Anwar by Sayyid Hamid Husayn
www.al-islam.org/thaqalayn/nontl/index.HTM

Secondly, I believe in the Qur’an, as other muslims do. As a testament to my belief I urge you to read these two titles,

The Quran in Islam, Syed M. Tabatabai,
www.al-islam.org/quraninislam

The Qur’an: Its Protection from Alteration, S.M Rizvi
www.al-islam.org/protection

And to the comment that I await the Mahdi to deliver the authentic version, yes I do, since this authentic version pertains to the tafsir of the text and not in relation to the text itself. This passage that you have skimmed from memory is to be found in Kitab al Irshad, al Mufid, Tehrike Tersile Quran publishers, New York, that is quoted out of context and mis-translated to deceive the reader. I urge you to pursue this title.

insha 'Allah, I’ll continue on the other aspects of the discussion.

Iltimase duas

Abbas, Ali
www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia

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Mr. Ali Abbas

Its really interesting at one place you say we do not abuse the mothers of the believers RAA and Companions of Prophet SAW, and later you are giving proofs to prove one who does that is not a Kafir. Anyways, i do not want to comment about those who doubt their mother's characters. [incase they consider themselves muslims]

I have read the story you wrote above, which to me is completely and fully against the truth, according to my knowledge and believe.

I think you were unable to see the ahadiths i have given above in my post and even the Quranic verses which gives the proof of their innocense and sincerity.

As brother Hasnain said, its a complete waste of time to argue with a Shia, because first they do not accept Quran and then doubt the authenticity of the ahadiths provided. One who doesn't care for a Quranic evidence can do anything, abuse his mothers, abuse the Companions RAA and anyone else, nothing stops him. I really cannot make out the difference between the Shias way of thinking and Ahmedis way of thinking, such similarity, Ignore Quran and Ignore Sunnah and just stick to your believes.

May Allah SWT's wrath be upon those who curse the Mothers of Believers RAA and Companions RAA [The Most beloved ones to Abul Qasim SAA]

Wassalatu wassalamu ala Nabiyyana Muhammad wa ala alaihe wa ashabehe wassalam.

Abdullah, just mind that, OK?

We are not like shias or any one of you whose sole purpose is to exercise Biddats and Shirks.
We have neither ever insulted any Prophet nor any dignitaries of Islam. Throughout our replies over here (and books) you will find nothing against Islam.

Its just the word KHATAM which makes a different story, So as the concept of Imam Mehdi as Prophet and Jesus’ natural death. That’s all we are here for, to remove your erroneous doctrines and bring you toward the Islam which Holy Prophet(sa) presented some 1400 years ago. [only if you want to prosper]

Beside I will prepare an answer for your biphasic replies, which clearly shows your unstable and contradicting beliefs.

watch out !

xalim :::: [email protected]

Bismihi Ta’la (In the name of the Most High)
Assalam o alaikum …

Abdulla > Its really interesting at one place you say we do not abuse
Abdulla > the mothers of the believers RAA and Companions of
Abdulla > Prophet SAW, and later you are giving proofs to prove
Abdulla > one who does that is not a Kafir. Anyways, i do not want
*Abdulla > to comment about those who doubt their mother’s characters. *
*Abdulla > [incase they consider themselves muslims] *

The purpose of my quote was to merely demonstrate what position the ahlal sunna hold towards the issue. I do not subscribe to the view held by the ahlal sunna, and to say the least of Ibn Taymiya.

Abdulla > I have read the story you wrote above, which to me is completely
Abdulla > and fully against the truth, according to my knowledge and
*Abdulla > believe. *

Surely, if a hadith from the work of Sahih Bukhari can be termed as a story, then what more credence can I add to what I have been sharing? Allahu alam. Nevertheless, it is irrelevant to me if you believe it or not, since there are other readers who will at least verify what I shared, rather than submitting to self denial.

Abdulla > I think you were unable to see the ahadiths i have given
Abdulla > above in my post and even the Quranic verses which gives
*Abdulla > the proof of their innocense and sincerity. *

I shall treat this as it merits and will also refer to your previous post. While you have shared an issue that revolves around the concept of being superior (afdal), I shall tackle this post specifically with the issue of superiority. A treatment of the place of the ashab in the Qur’an and also in authentic traditions will be dealt with seperately, insha ‘Allah. Neverthless countless Qura’nic revelations are to be found in the honor of the ahlul bayt, and in the words of Ibn Abbas,

that is quoted by Ibn Asakir from Ibn Abbas, as stated in Section 3, Chapter 9, page 76, of al-Sawa`iq al-Muhriqa.

It was earlier written and shared that,

Abdulla > "If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those
Abdulla > who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two,
Abdulla > when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion:
Abdulla > Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity
Abdulla > upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and
*Abdulla > made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, *
Abdulla > that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise." 9 - 40

Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his tafsir, translates

, while the element of fear suggests that Abu Bakr, the first Caliph of Islam, had some element of un-certainty as to his and the Prophets (peace be upon him) safety, as the verse continues by stating that … Allah is with us. What is this compared to the certainty of the fourth Caliph of Islam, about whom the Qur’an states, when he had offered to lie in the Prophets (peace be upon him) bed, knowingly that his life was in grave danger,

.
The asbab in nuzool of this aya is shared by Hakim, in his al Mustadrak, v3, p4, who testifies to the authenticity of this hadith according to the endorsement of both Shaykhs (i.e Bukhari and Muslim), although the latter did not narrate it themselves, by this tradition from Ibn Abbas

In his Talkhis al-Mustadrak, al-Hakim admits the same on the said page, quoting Imam `Ali ibn al-Husain (as) saying:

then he quoted a few verses of poetry attributed to `Ali (as) beginning with these:

To read more on the revelations in the honor of the ahlul bayt please refer to this work

Al Murajaa’t, al Musawi, Chapter 12, Qur’anic Proof
www.al-islam.org/murajaat/12.htm

Any thoughts?

*Abdulla > "And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, *
Abdulla > and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with
Abdulla > them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for
*Abdulla > them gardens beneath which rivers flOw, to abide in them for ever; *
Abdulla > that is the mighty achievement" 9 -100

I have highlighted the portion foremost for a particular reason, since this has also been introduced in another sura in the Qur’an, al Waqi’ah, (56:10)

Al-Daylami, as in hadith 29, part two, Section 9, of *Al-Sawaiq al-Muhriqa* by Ibn Hajar, quotes Ayesha, al-Tabrani, Ibn Mardawayh, all citing Ibn `Abbas saying that the Prophet (pbuh) has said:

This hadith is quoted by al-Muwaffaq ibn Ahmed and the faqih Ibn al-Maghazli, both quoting Ibn `Abbas.

Interestingly enough, Imam Ali [a] qualifies as not only the foremost but also as a muhajir, a dual honor held by no other man (except the Messenger of Allah)! What an honor.

Any thoughts?

Abdulla > "Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore
Abdulla > allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts,
Abdulla > so He sent down tranquillity on them and rewarded them with a near
Abdulla > victory" 48 - 18

The reaction of the second Caliph of Islam to this incident was quite to the contrary. Umar b. al Khattab infact questioned the prophethood of the Messenger of Allah, and this is documented in Sahih al Bukhari, book of Conditions as follows (I have chosen only the relevant section, since the tradition is too long)

Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891:
Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama and Marwan:

and it also continued

Now, did Umar ibn al-Khattab succumb to them and find no difficulty in accepting the order of the Messenger (peace be upon him)? Or was he reluctant to accept the order of the Prophet? Especially when he said, 'Aren’t you truly the Apostle of Allah?, and did he succumb after the Messenger of Allah gave him all these convincing answers? No he was not convinced by his answers, and he went and asked Abu Bakr the same questions. But did he succumb after Abu Bakr answered him and advised him to hold on to the Prophet? I do not know if he actually succumbed to all that and was convinced by the answers of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr! For why did he say about himself, “For that I did so many things..”. Allah and His Messenger know the things which were done by Umar.

What excuse can one find for those Companions who had spent nearly twenty years with the Messenger of Allah, from the start of the Mission to the day of al-Hudaibiyah, and had seen all the miracles and enlightenment of the Prophethood? Furthermore the Qur’an was teaching them day and night how they should behave in the presence of the Messenger, and how they should talk to him, to the extent that Allah had threatened to ruin their deeds if they raised their voices above his voice.

Any thoughts?

Abdulla > "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are
Abdulla > firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among them
*Abdulla > selves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, *
Abdulla > seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their
Abdulla > faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in
Abdulla > the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce
Abdulla > that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout
Abdulla > and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may
Abdulla > enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those
Abdulla > among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great
Abdulla > reward." 48 - 29

*Abdulla > "(It is) for the poor who fled their homes and their possessions, *
Abdulla > seeking grace of Allah and (His) pleasure, and assisting Allah and
Abdulla > His Messenger: these it is that are the truthful" 59 - 8

Abdulla > "And those who made their abode in the city and in the faith before
Abdulla > them love those who have fled to them, and do not find in their hearts
Abdulla > a need of what they are given, and prefer (them) before themselves
Abdulla > though poverty may afflict them, and whoever is preserved from the
Abdulla >niggardliness of his soul, these it is that are the successful ones" 59 - 9

On these ayas, I shall treat them duly in my article that will analyze the position of the ashab in the light of the Qur’an and the authentic traditions, insha ‘Allah.

Lastly, it was also shared:

Abdulla > May Allah SWT’s wrath be upon those who curse the Mothers of Believers
Abdulla > RAA and Companions RAA [The Most beloved ones to Abul Qasim SAA]

The learned, Syed Abul ‘Ala Mawdudi in his work Khilafat o Mulukiyat states in the chapter The end to the supremacy of the Law in the section to Muawiya, that:

Continuing, he also writes,

Ref: Khilafat o Mulukiyat, p174, Idara Tarjamanul Qur’an.

Any thoughts?

Iltimase duas

Ali Abbas
www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia

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May Allah SWT's wrath be on Abdulla Saba

I think the below is a story and not a hadith.

""Yes, they did dis-obey the Prophet (peace be upon him) and this was not the first time that they did so. As regarding the Prophetic instructions that deal with political matters such as succession, government, administration, legislation, invasions, etc., the ashab did not see that they had to follow or adhere to them in all circumstances; rather, they allowed themselves to practice a measure of research, discretion, and ijtihad

If they saw in opposing such texts a promotion of their cause, or an advantage to their power, they would oppose them. They may even seek to please the Prophet by doing just so. They were convinced that the Arabs would neither accept Ali's rule nor follow a text in such a matter, since he pressured them a great deal while enforcing the Will of Allah in their regard, spilling their blood with his sword in while promoting the Word of Allah, dismantling all their masks while defending the truth, till Allah's Will became dominant in spite of every infidel. So, they would not obey him willingly, nor would they follow such texts except by force, having attributed to him the spilling of all blood in the way of Islam during the life-time of the Prophet (pbuh), according to their custom of retaliation in such circumstances, for they saw him as the only candidate upon whom they would seek revenge, especially since seeking revenge is usually done to the best among the foe's tribesmen, and the choicest of its clans. They knew that he was the best among the Hashimites, after the Messenger of Allah (pbuh), without any doubt or dispute. For this reason, the Arabs waited for a chance to annihilate him; they sought means to deal with him, and they bore a great deal of grudge against him and his descendants, till they leaped over them in a way that became well-known everywhere, and its shame filled the earth and the skies. There is another reason: Quraysh in particular and the Arabs in general used to criticizeAli's might in dealing with the enemies of Allah, the forcefulness of his method of dealing with those who trespass the limits of Allah or permit what He prohibited. They feared his enjoining right and forbidding wrong; they dreaded his justice in dealing with the subjects and his equity in every public issue. Nobody hoped for his concession nor dreamed of his compromise. The mighty and powerful are weak till he executes justice on them, and the weak and downtrodden are strong and dignified when he grants them what is rightfully theirs. So, how can the Arabs willingly submit to a man like that while "They are the foremost in disbelief and hypocrisy, so much so that they ought not know the limits of what Allah has revealed unto His Messenger ( Qur'an, 9:97)," and "Among the people of Medina are those who are stubborn in hypocrisy; you [O Our Prophet Muhammad] do not know them; We know them (Qur'an, 9:101), and among them are those who do not hesitate to commit anything insane.

There is still another reason. Quraysh in particular and Arabs in general used to envy him for the favours Allah bestowed upon him. He has been uplifted by Allah, His Messenger and the wise, to a sublime status due to his knowledge and feats; peers fall short of their attainment; those qualified hesitated to attempt to compete with him. He has, through his feats and attributes, won a status from Allah and His Messenger coveted by the hopeful, and a prestige unattainable by the most ambitious. For these reasons, jealousy filled the hearts of the hypocrites. The spiteful, ungrateful, and unequitable hypocrites, in addition to opportunists, all agreed not to discharge their responsibility towards him; therefore, they left these texts behind their backs, entrusting them to oblivion.

Also, whoever knows the history of Quraysh and the Arabs at the dawn of Islam would come to know that they did not yield to the Hashimite Prophethood except after being annihilated, being powerless; so, how could they have agreed that Hashim's descendants should monopolize both prophethood and caliphate?

Umer ibn al-Khattab once said to IbnAbbas in a dialogue between them:

quote:

"Quraysh hated that both prophethood and caliphate should be confined to your household for fear you might oppress other people."

(This is quoted by Ibn Abul-Hadid on page 107, Vol. 3, of Sharh Nahjul Balaghah, while discussing an issue worthy of the attention of researchers which is also discussed by Ibn al-Athir near the conclusion of `Umar's biography on page 24, Vol. 3, of his Al-Kamil before discussing the story of the "consultation.")""

Look you can get your material against Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umer Bin Khattab and the Mothers of the Believers from your sources but i do not have believe in them.

Such ignorance among Shias, they even do not know the basis of Islam, Islam does not promote blood relationship, rather islamic brotherhood. Look yourself, there were many other relatives of Prophet SAW, for example the father of Hazrat Ali RAA, he died as a Kafir, isn't it ? And he was the uncle of Prophet SAW just like Hazrat Hamza RAA and even Abu Jahal. But as a Muslim we see the character of the person and not his blood relationship with Prophet SAW. [though we have a special repect for his family but foremost is personal character]

Just look the authenticity of your Imams and scholars, a person who says there are 300 ayats in favor of Hazrat Ali RAA. No doubt he was one of the best companions of Prophet SAW, but i think you are associating a lie against the Quran. Just see your scholars knowledge level who allow or rather promote Shirk and Bid'aat in their followers.

The way of praying, and that small thing which you put at prostration place, saying ALI MAULA [While only Allah SWT is our Maula, see the last ayat of Surah Baqara for reference] YA HUSSAIN, YA ALI, going to Mazars, etc.. these things are Shirk which with no doubt at all are enough to make a person Kafir. i have seen some of the religious poetry of Shias, they say the religion would have been incomplete if Hazrat Ali RAA wasn't there, and sometimes they raise his character higher to even Prophet SAW. WHAT IS THIS?
This is just ignorance from the real source of Islam, i.e. Quran and Sunnah. Hazrat Ali RAA was no more than a Sahabi of Prophet SAW, just like Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umer and Usman RAA. Why are you giving him such a big place. Even between the Sahabis, there is clear ahadith that Prophet SAW loved Abu Bakr RAA more than anyone, so many ahadiths in favour of Umer RAA and Usman RAA and even Hazrat Ali RAA was one of the most beloved ones of Prophet SAW.

According to your believe all ahly-e-bayt have to be followed for sure, now where is that in the Quran. Did Prophet SAW selected his Ahly-e-Bayt and said that only these these these people are from my ahly-Bayt and so and so are not. For the sake of yourself, open your eyes, think with your brain and do not blindly follow your evil scholars, who have nothing to offer but Lies, shirk and bid'aat.

This is my last post to this thread and i don't intend to waste anymore of my time, because once you start taking the wrong meaning of Quranic Ayats and start rejecting ahadiths, there is very little i can do, just compare yourself with Ahmedis, try if you can make out a difference in the way of thinking.

"For you is your religion and for me is my religion"

Wassalatu Wassalamu ala Nabiyyana Mohammed