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If one tradition holds that all others are valid, then how does it reconcile itself with those particular traditions that claim to be exclusive? If there is NO God but Allah...how does one reconcile with Jesus being his Son, or with the plethora of other Gods in Hinduism?
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seriously, any type of idol worship is beyond stupidity. like, i cannot even use words correctly to describe how retarded you have to be to worship an idol. I can only assume you are mentally deficient and have some sort of down syndrome.
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^ How is it any different from Muslims facing towards Mecca while reading the Namaaz ? And if you say Allah lives in Mecca, then what about the rest of the universe ? Who created it ??
Hindu belief is that God is omnipresent, and idols are symbols used as proxy for God in order to perform religious rituals. Its no different than a wife keeping the picture of her husband on her desk to remind her of him - doesn’t mean that she is married to the picture.
Its only ill-informed fools who think Hinduism is about idol worship 
Allah doenst live in mecca.
And facing mecca is mere unifier for the ummah. thats it.
for gods sake, hindus have have monkey faced and elephants that they ACTUALLY WORSHIP. I question anyone’s judgment for worshiping an idol. There is no excuse other than brain retardation or sheer illiteracy.
for gods sake, hindus have have monkey faced and elephants that they ACTUALLY WORSHIP. I question anyone's judgment for worshiping an idol. There is no excuse other than brain retardation or sheer illiteracy.
Go back & read my earlier post. Idols are used as symbols to facilitate religious rituals.
As for the monkey/elephant faced idols, they represent particular mythological stories surrounding the one God. The monkey faced persona is one aspect of God and the elephant faced one is another.
I'll give you a simple example - if there is a pretty girl, some people like her in a sari, some in a salwar and some in a bikini. But ultimately its the same girl.
Ignorant people are not able to understand the nuances of the Hidu beliefs and so simplistically (and foolishly) assume that Hindus worship a monkey/elephant.
Wrong.. go read about it :D
I have better things to do than read about religions. :D
So I asked the question to a Hindu. My bad. What else I was expecting?
Worshiping for muslims is a completely different act.
Muslims do not 'worship' anything but Almighty the one. Respecting is not equal to worshiping for muslims.
Perhaps it may be a news to you. :)
If you are worshiping the alimighty then how does it matter how do you do it.
Your obsession for Quran goes beyond respect my dear friend.
Hinduism was not the only panthiest faith, and there are wayward Christian denominations that proclaim to be such.
If the West does adopt anything remotely "Hindu", it will be without the cultural references, the Hindu pantheon, mythology, etc. At which point, we need to ask...what would be so "Hindu" about this newfound phiosophy in the first place?
There is nothgin newfound there what they are identifying as secular polity is the core of hinduism.. there was reason why religiously persecuted from all over the world historically have been fidning safe haven in India
Be it Jews persecuted by prejudaism rulers
Be it chrstianity persecuted by judaism
be it Zorashtrian persecuted by islam..
Even difierent sects of islam persecuted by other sect has found safe haven in India.. (Abdullah Shah Ghazi was under protection of hindu king of sindh hiding from the persecution of ummayad dyansty rulers of arabia)
Each and everyone has come to India and found safe haven
All thsi happened because hinduism essentially is
AKAM STAYAM VIPRA BAHUDHA VADANTI..
If you are worshiping the alimighty then how does it matter how do you do it. Your obsession for Quran goes beyond respect my dear friend.
My christian friend at least accepts jeolousy is one aspect of God in chrstian world view that's why God protests worship by any other name..To me God being such a pious thought can't have negative attributes like jealousy
Allah doenst live in mecca.
And facing mecca is mere unifier for the ummah. thats it.
for gods sake, hindus have have monkey faced and elephants that they ACTUALLY WORSHIP. I question anyone's judgment for worshiping an idol. There is no excuse other than brain retardation or sheer illiteracy.
Prove me genius that the God cannot take the form of a monkey. Dont give me the reference of religious text please.
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First you prove a monkey could be God.
A creation cannot be worshiped as a creator.
This is the essence of islamic belief.
As it has been mentioned above, neither mecca nor quran by any means is a form or example of creator.
Hence muslims respect but not worship any one but Allah. Since as a hindu you have a deep ingrained false idea that somehow acts of respect and worship are same, it is simply a waste of time to discuss with you the religions.
Anyhow, I do not like to engage in these kind of arguments of beliefs to the point of silliness.
It's just that the notion of three other religous people somehow will run towards hinduism or path to God is same whether it is hinduism or whatever, is plain and simple absurd.
These ideologies as it is so obvious from this very thread are too contradictory.
We discussed here about idol worship.Just tell us how idol worship in Hinduism and Budhism or any other religion can be different.Who said Hindus do not know about their religion?Hinduism may be intricated but it is not beyond someone's logical level to know about it.If this is the point you have got,even Muslims do not know what is their religion.Now lets not force each other to put examples.It wont have any end.
I do not understand what you meant by Hinduism as deep and blank.What was the point you were trying to make with that blank usage?If you are saying it is deep,yes,I agree. but certainly it is not blank.I am confused with your statement.Having studied and practised for so long,I have never felt it is blank.Infact this is the first time I got such a response from somebody.I am truely astonished.
Where did I degrade Islam?Can you give me one example?If this is an attempt to score a shuttle point ,then let me tell you it's futile one.I respect Islam and my closest friend is a Muslim.But at the same time I believe in Hinduism and it gives me all I need and I need not serach for happiness and peace in other religions.Its not any degrading statement intended for any religion but it's a fact.I will not meddle with other religions and beliefs but I will not let others to plunder a bit of my religion and belief.Thats a statement.
The comment about Indonesian government is justified seeing and witnessing their political atmosphere.Earlier there had been many discriminations but as with time,everything faded,thanks to a wonderful and bolstered unity among Balanese.I have lived in Bali and I go there every year.Infact I am closely associated with a cultural Hindu movement(originated and having roots in India) there in Bali.I will certainly say,Jakarta does not have guts to interfere in Bali.It's a fact.Not a bad statement at all. (Let alone alone Bali,they won't even do it in Batam,which is a tourist spot,just 20 kmm off Singapore,where liquor is actually banned ,but you will get all stuffs!!! ).What did you mean by reverse psychology?Where and in what way?Just by playing with words,the message will not be vivid.
Pls tell us the concept of cross?Is it not idol ? If not idol,what it is?
Do you know the rituals followed by a section of Christians in Philippines?Believers offer themselves to be tied and nailed to cross and will remain on cross,which is an exact replica of a Hindu tradition practised in India and some parts of South East Asia during a particular festival period.What does this mean?
Almost all religions follow idol worship.
With all due respect, it is quite apparent you have a problem with reading comprehension. Blank was in different context.
You degraded islam by falsely stating that it might not be a religion of peace due to some fools I mean some fools acting bizarre who might not even be muslims. Also, you deliberately ignored the vast majority peaceful muslims who might even be muslims by one or other ways.
Does your muslim friend know what you might be typing here?
Obviously you lived in indonesia and stayed safe. Is this the way you would talk about the country where you lived and visit safely?
Your attitude is sad and pathetic.
Cross is not considered God in christianity.
Your God steals clothes of women and looks at them from behind trees taking bath in the lake. And asks them to beg him naked! Try telling this to christians, muslims and jews.
I do not think this forum would be able to handle so called 'hinduism philosophy' if revealed...here.
Not true.
Islam (and related two religions) date back to the creation of Adam.
Rest of the part is completely false imagination and hope of yours. Which you might be entitled to.
It is your belief that makes you feel like that. Historians ascribe the birth of the Islamic faith with Prophet Muhammad. You can predate it as many thousands of years you want, but the truth is like Christianity started with Christ, Sikhism started with Nanak, Buddhism with Buddha, Islam started with Prophet. Islam is the youngest of all the major religions in the world.
First you prove a monkey could be God.
A creation cannot be worshiped as a creator. This is the essence of islamic belief.
As it has been mentioned above, neither mecca nor quran by any means is a form or example of creator.
Hence muslims respect but not worship any one but Allah. Since as a hindu you have a deep ingrained false idea that somehow acts of respect and worship are same, it is simply a waste of time to discuss with you the religions.
Anyhow, I do not like to engage in these kind of arguments of beliefs to the point of silliness.
It's just that the notion of three other religous people somehow will run towards hinduism or path to God is same whether it is hinduism or whatever, is plain and simple absurd.
These ideologies as it is so obvious from this very thread are too contradictory.
Monkey cannot be a god. But if I would like to believe that God is in that form, then there is no harm, because God is Omnipresent. Per Hindu beliefs, God is omni present and omni potent. He is present in every form, and can you show a place where God is not present?
If God is present everywhere, then why not in a Monkey ??? If you do not agree with it, then it is fine, I agree that there is no true shape to God and that is the beauty of Hinduism. Hence I stated that Islam and other religions will need another 3 to 4 milleniums to achieve the spirutuality of hindu thought.
seriously, any type of idol worship is beyond stupidity. like, i cannot even use words correctly to describe how retarded you have to be to worship an idol. I can only assume you are mentally deficient and have some sort of down syndrome.
I agree with you slick star, however, I think it is much better than praying to nothing.
With all due respect, it is quite apparent you have a problem with reading comprehension. Blank was in different context.
You degraded islam by falsely stating that it might not be a religion of peace due to some fools I mean some fools acting bizarre who might not even be muslims. Also, you deliberately ignored the vast majority peaceful muslims who might even be muslims by one or other ways.
Does your muslim friend know what you might be typing here?
Obviously you lived in indonesia and stayed safe. Is this the way you would talk about the country where you lived and visit safely? Your attitude is sad and pathetic.
Cross is not considered God in christianity.
Your God steals clothes of women and looks at them from behind trees taking bath in the lake. And asks them to beg him naked! Try telling this to christians, muslims and jews.
I do not think this forum would be able to handle so called 'hinduism philosophy' if revealed...here.
With full honesty and being utmost freindly,let me state here that you can not comprehend others posts.Where did I tell that Islam is not a peace loving religion?Pls show me one example of that.
No,my Muslim friend does not know what I am posting here.
I sad abot Indonesian ruling machinery.I have stated what I have observed.I do not think just by granting me VISA to stay in Indonesia,I should endorse each and every stupidy they are making.I respect what is duely required for them.It does not mean that I should hold the same for their other sheeer stupidity level.(I said an example of Batam Island).
I am not saying that cross is god but god lies on cross and cross is an idol.Can you negate it?You have not even old us how you reckon cross.
Once again you are making an inflammatory comment here about krishna.I will have numerous examples like that to talk about other religions but let me clear you one thing that religious/spiritual context can not be compared with material ones.You have a got a divine meaning to learn from that instance.
Yes,I agree that Hindu philosophy can not be described here in this forum,unless those taking part in this have some info in this particular subject.Otherwise it is going to be mere waste of time for people like me.
I agree with you slick star, however, I think it is much better than praying to nothing.
You see that is a good point. The worship of the unseen does have its very own flaws, the fundamental being the belief in the unseen. But the worship only exists because man has tried all earthly avenues for higher power and has failed. This has only led us to look beyond the skies and for the time being we have no conclusive evidence to say such a belief is wrong, once we do ( which we wont) the faith can be argued to be valid.
You see that is a good point. The worship of the unseen does have its very own flaws, the fundamental being the belief in the unseen. But the worship only exists because man has tried all earthly avenues for higher power and has failed. This has only led us to look beyond the skies and for the time being we have no conclusive evidence to say such a belief is wrong, once we do ( which we wont) the faith can be argued to be valid.
The conclusive evidence is impossible in any case. Hindu mythology has many examples where in thee is conclusive evidence that God is present everywhere.
For eg: when Hiranya Kashipa questions his son prahallada and challenges that God is not present in stones and goes on to break a pillar, out of which Sri Narasimha emerges and slays Hiranya kashipa. So, that my friend is a conclusive evidence for Hindus that there is God even in a pillar!.
At the same time, worship without an idol is also accepted. Some pray for Nothing, i.e. Vacuum, some pray for Light or flame, some pray for the elements of nature, some pray for idols but in effect everyone, within their limited knowledge consider that form to be the form of the infinite divine.
First you prove a monkey could be God.
A creation cannot be worshiped as a creator. This is the essence of islamic belief.
As it has been mentioned above, neither mecca nor quran by any means is a form or example of creator.
Hence muslims respect but not worship any one but Allah. Since as a hindu you have a deep ingrained false idea that somehow acts of respect and worship are same, it is simply a waste of time to discuss with you the religions.
Anyhow, I do not like to engage in these kind of arguments of beliefs to the point of silliness.
It's just that the notion of three other religous people somehow will run towards hinduism or path to God is same whether it is hinduism or whatever, is plain and simple absurd.
These ideologies as it is so obvious from this very thread are too contradictory.
God being almighty he could do whatever he wants hence monkey or anything else all is possible.. Now refute this
It is your belief that makes you feel like that. Historians ascribe the birth of the Islamic faith with Prophet Muhammad. You can predate it as many thousands of years you want, but the truth is like Christianity started with Christ, Sikhism started with Nanak, Buddhism with Buddha, Islam started with Prophet. Islam is the youngest of all the major religions in the world.
You need history lessons asap.. Start serachign fro Gurur Nanak's biography you will get the drift of my protest against ignorance in your post.