How the hell can it be reported when most of the journalists are either behind bars or too scared to come out and report a story? Have you noticed how few stories are in Jang newspaper these days? Every day, I MAYBE get one small blurb of what's going on.
Hence the purpose of this thread for people who might have family or friends that can provide more detail.
So, uh, lets stick to the topic , shall we? Unless you know people in the area that are reporting that life is now roses that they're not Pakistanis anymore, and are now Talibanistanis, then please run along and play in other threads.
awww...missing spicy stories in the newspapers? well whose fault is it that journalists are in jail or too afraid to report on the ongoing events? must be talebans bcos mushy does not have any sweeping powers to arrest journalists or to keep them away from hot spots in swat / FATA etc.
as for friends and families providing credible info, well we know how 100s of kuwaiti babies were ripped out of incubators and killed by iraqi solders during first gulf war, courtesy of the then kuwaiti ambassador's daughter in USA.
last bit...sure they have every right to be anything they want since current pakistani government and of the pasts along with awam never took their problems and troubles seriously. they've been storing their anger for decades which is finally coming out. i've said is b4 that for most pakistanis, punjab and sindh are the only real provinces. from public to governments, they have always treated balochistan and sarhad as step provinces. never gave them any meaningful resources or fund to develop nor really tried any measure to make them develop. they were allowed to live a desperate and depressed live under the rules of tribes and jirgas and corrupt politicians who were friends of government. no wonder these provinces have no law n order to speak of bcos pakistani government was never serious enough to help them. desperation leads to desperate measures and now both provinces are under threat bcos of incompetent current and past governments, their neglegence and personal interests. as for awam...even today majority of them don't care whts going on in these parts of pakistan as you urself said they are too busy trying to live their lives and trying to go through everyday struggle. if they don't have time to care about their surroundings then who gives a hoot about whts going on in areas thousands of miles away from them.
awww...missing spicy stories in the newspapers? well whose fault is it that journalists are in jail or too afraid to report on the ongoing events? must be talebans bcos mushy does not have any sweeping powers to arrest journalists or to keep them away from hot spots in swat / FATA etc.
** as for friends and families providing credible info, well we know how 100s of juwaiti babies were ripped out of incubators and killed by irai solders during first gulf war, courtesy of the then kuwaiti ambassador's daughter in USA.**
last bit...sure they have every right to be anything they want since current pakistani government and of the pasts along with awam never took their problems and troubles seriously. they've been storing their anger for decades which is finally coming out. i've said is b4 that for most pakistanis, punjab and singh are the only real provinces. from public to governments, they have always treated balochistan and sarhad as step provinces. never gave them any meaningful resources or fund to develop nor really tried any measure to make them develop. they were allowed to live a desperate and depressed live under the rules of tribes and jirgas and corrupt politicians who were friends of government. no wonder these provinces have no law n order to speak of bcos pakistani government was never serious enough to help them. desperation leads to desperate measures and now both provinces are under threat bcos of incompetent current and past governments, their neglegence and personal interests. as for awam...even today majority of them don't care whts going on in these parts of pakistan as you urself said they are too busy trying to live their lives and trying to go through everyday struggle. if they don't have time to care about their surroundings then who gives a hoot about whts going on in areas thousands of miles away from them.
More recently, in the fall of 1990, members of Congress and the American public were swayed by the tearful testimony of a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only as Nayirah.
In the girl’s testimony before a congressional caucus, well-documented in MacArthur’s book “Second Front” and elsewhere, she described how, as a volunteer in a Kuwait maternity ward, she had seen Iraqi troops storm her hospital, steal the incubators, and leave 312 babies “on the cold floor to die.” Seven US Senators later referred to the story during debate; the motion for war passed by just five votes. In the weeks after Nayirah spoke, President Bush senior invoked the incident five times, saying that such “ghastly atrocities” were like “Hitler revisited.”
But just weeks before the US bombing campaign began in January, a few press reports began to raise questions about the validity of the incubator tale.
Later, it was learned that Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to Washington and had no connection to the Kuwait hospital. She had been coached – along with the handful of others who would “corroborate” the story – by senior executives of Hill and Knowlton in Washington, the biggest global PR firm at the time, which had a contract worth more than $10 million with the Kuwaitis to make the case for war. “We didn’t know it wasn’t true at the time,” Brent Scowcroft, Bush’s national security adviser, said of the incubator story in a 1995 interview with the London-based Guardian newspaper. He acknowledged “it was useful in mobilizing public opinion.”
So do we all agree now that we should have gone in and killed the jihadi animals many months, if not years ago?
If so, it is still not to late to support anyone who will take the fight to the jihadi murderers, be it Mush, BB or Immy. Now, who do you think is most likely to tackle this problem head on?
No one, since US of A needs to sell weapons to some one. Can'T just allow to kill her Clients. How would that look like? All the years profit uska kya ho ga? And then we have our Goverment lead by US of A.
The conversation that my hubby had with his friend from swat was brief. But I cant imagine this particular man making up a story like that, he is the sort who is honorable in the extreme. As PCG pointed out, journalists arent allowed near these areas and really if you think about it, this type of extreme human rights violation could be a real powder keg. So while I cant say that this actually did occur, I DO know that theres nothing good going on up there. Prayers to the residents there and prayers for resolution of this dreadful situation.
i will side with the truth whether against pak army or in favor of taleban. i'm against the killings of civilians by the army and i'm against the killings of civilians by the taleban. thats my stand on this issue.
Still waiting for proof on your claim that army has killed innocent people deliberately instead of terrorists. How long should I wait?
No one, since US of A needs to sell weapons to some one. Can'T just allow to kill her Clients. How would that look like? All the years profit uska kya ho ga? And then we have our Goverment lead by US of A.
No one...so we should give up and surrender to Taliban terrorists because of US arms industry? Nice logic.
No one...so we should give up and surrender to Taliban terrorists because of US arms industry? Nice logic.
Hmm, i just answered your question. You asked about the Political Figure, who will be successfull in Taliban bashing and I answered: IF The King says no, now how can pawns disagree?
The farce that is being played in Swat will keep going on as long as it fulfills its purpose. One day Fazlullah will be killed and the peace will return to Swat, and all the "Taleban Militants", who are on the of ISI payroll, will be sent to some other region to create havoc.
Operation begins: Swati talibs are now being “Swatted” like little flies
As promised, Pak army has started the operation. Swati talibs are now being “Swatted” like little flies. I am sure Ben-Ladeenies on this forum will continue regurgitating anti-Pakistan propaganda.
Malakand and Swat are now under curfew as per jang.
4 terrorists sent to hell.
In memory of our slain law-enforcement officers and jawans.
May Allah bless them and their sacrifices.
These brave soldiers have given the ultimate so that we can be safe from Talibanic plague.
A fresh rumour is being sent round that Shangla has fallen to the Telly-tubbies. If this is true then Besham could be next - and that will be a major blow as it will cut the Northern Areas and Indus Kohistan from the rest of Pakistan - there are many troops stationed up North and trade with China is by this route too.
Antiobl its about time the beloved army you are supporting did something rather tan letting them breed and spread dont you think? Some people are easily sucked in by cozy statements made by leaders from Pakistan and USA ...
** Pakistani gunships kill four militants in Swat** PESHAWAR, Pakistan, Nov 13 (AFP) Pakistani helicopter gunships destroyed several militant positions in the Sambat area of Pakistan’s northwestern Swat valley Tuesday, killing four followers of pro-Taliban cleric Maulana Fazlullah, the army said. The militants were killed when helicopters pounded four bunkers and blew up their ammunition dump, the army said in a statement. Another five insurgents were injured when helicopters blew up a checkpost established by militants in Sarani. Rebel hideouts in two other villages were also targeted, it added. Meanwhile paramilitary troops captured four suspected militants and one Afghan carrying arms and explosives, it said. (Posted @ 18:16 PST) www.dawn.com
Yes there are news about Shangla. However this is the start of Jihadi whooping so stay tuned.
Anarchists however would love to create more trouble in the cities to support ben-ladeenis.
First, we need to take out these Maulanas and Mullahs playing with their toys. I say, use Mossad’s cruel assassination techniques rest will be solved by It’s own. Where there is no leader, there is no strategy and plan.
First, we need to take out these Maulanas and Mullahs playing with their toys. I say, use Mossad's cruel assassination techniques rest will be solved by It's own. Where there is no leader, there is no strategy and plan.
Yeap. And their supporters too. I am sure some of these supporters will end up in Gitmo or other fine places of "vacation" soon.
The farce that is being played in Swat will keep going on as long as it fulfills its purpose. One day Fazlullah will be killed and the peace will return to Swat, and all the "Taleban Militants", who are on the of ISI payroll, will be sent to some other region to create havoc.
This is silly. If the ISI were in charge of the militants, it could easily ask them to stop and they would, right? Since when is Swat's tourism a threat to ISI?
Of all targets, ISI would pick Swat?
Yeah, ok.
Anyhoo, thanks for the updates guys. I just wish we had a more clear picture of what was going on. Of course, with the media channels out, the government is free to report that its doing well out there. But something tells me that these guys ain't going out that easily.
"Many believed that General Musharraf would act swiftly against the militants in Swat valley after he imposed emergency in Pakistan on November 3, 2007. There are several reports in the newspapers these days that the militants have captured more installations over the last few days. According to the reports of the local residents, the whole valley from Kanju to Kalam has come under the control of the Taliban over the last few days. Inamullah, a teacher, social worker, and lexicographer report: “The Taliban entered our village (Bahrain) the other day with heavy weapons mounted on a cavalcade of vehicles snatched from government officials. They delivered a speech on a megaphone near a police station and ordered the police to surrender and submit their weapons to them. The police had left the building just an hour ago and a group of local people was entrusted to guard the building. A few hours earlier the village elders had decided not to confront the Taliban and persuade them to stay away from the area assuring them there would be no security personnel stationed in and around the village. The local people had decided to be impartial in the fighting between the Taliban and the security forces. It was a historic day and I saw some very interesting scenes. The Taliban moved forward through the valley and halted in Kalam town where local elders negotiated with them. Now they have moved back to their stronghold and we hope our area (the upper hilly area of district Swat) will be safe from any impending military operation against the Taliban. There are also reports that several security personnel thought it safe to flee from the valley.”