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^oh wise one, what is the point? that muslims in the UK are pointing out and turning on sihtheads hell bent on fomenting reigious hated and thuggery? and that is the bad thing? wow!!! the chip on that shoulder must be huge...
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Try again. May be third time is the charm for you. : kiss :
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Oh I get it…you didn’t have a point. Good point. :k:
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Haha.. gave up? Good. Now sleep easy in that polyglotic setting of yours. Shabash.
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I sleep easy...how are the"random" checks at the airport? Hey maybe some bad, bad muslim perosn, pointed you out? :)
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Yeah rite, PD. Lets completely trivalize the discussion. Got anything better to do? Go, get some decent lunch or something.
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I agree, crying about getting pulled aside on the security line because you are muslim is trivial...so is complaining when muslim single out jackasses who spew religious hatred from their midst. Both these are necessary... however trivial they might be.
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You are starting out with the assumption that there are jackasses who spew religious hatred and limiting your argument to those. Those are not what I am talking about. What I am saying is, and that which completely missed, is about people who have property disputes, family disputes and other irrelevant personal problems with someone and they will "out" them in the garb of "spewing extremism" charges. Ask NYA and he will tell you how people in Pakistan would stick it to christians etc under blasphemy laws when they just want to get rid of them for petty property disputes.
There are some communities who protect their own, and are pretty famous for that. And there are some who not only don't, but go a step further and will proactively spew lies to get rid of their own.
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Yes lot of people think such things can be abused.
BUT most people also think that such things cannot be avoided considering what the terrorist thugs want to do.
For a while Arabs, Pakistanis and all those who look like or have a muslim sounding name have to endure all this because of these thugs
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What fanciful assumptions faisal! I think I will give the west much much more credit in deternine the veracity of personal libel than let's say a place like Pakistan. Contrary to your belief, or even your wish (asit sometimes seems), these things are not going to be that pervasive.
Curious though, which community protects its own? I think I have an idea ..but wanted to hear it from you. Will certainly confirm the obvious. :) Does it start with a "j and end with a 'wish" ? :)
I hope you mean the senegalese or even the french.
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You have a very valid point and unfortunately a very true one… however in this particular scenario the people concerned have been investigated for a number of years, evidence has been collated and the Home secretary and heads of Police etc have tried to look at ways in which to remove them.
They did not have thing substantiallly legal to help them do so and had things like the human rights act etc as a barrier which was very annoying.
Now that they have the back up they are trying to do it as quickly as poss.
going back to your point about vendetta’s I have seen and heard the things Pakistani people say to the authorities over petty arguments…and its worst amongst families…
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Well ain’t that dandy. So you can basically say what you want and not support it on any facts. Good work.
Btw this is the british govt. They have never listened to the Pakistani community in the first case now all of a sudden they are listening to them and chosing their hit list with consulations with the community? Yeah right. 
No govt ever conducts consultations. They have their own experts and their own intelligence services who decide. You opinion belongs at “The Onion”.
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yep, CM you said once upon a thread ago that "desi's from the uk are slappers" now you being the kinda chap who goes out of his way to supply good honest information would have no problem finding the study and statistics to back up your statement...
Oh and remember, anything from trashy newspapers doent count.
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Well ain’t that dandy. So you can basically say what you want and not support it on any facts. Good work.
Btw this is the british govt. They have never listened to the Pakistani community in the first case
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young man, you clearly no nothing on this matter… but that DOESNT matter… you cannot KNOW everything.
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Tsk tsk…not relevant to the thread, you can bump up that thread and we can discuss my misquoted comment there.
So as that is dealt with you got proof to back up your absurd claim?
Edit: You have no proof. And you say i know nothing on the matter. Govt work in a certain manner. They do not go to communities and get their input. They have their experts and intelligence services to provide them with the proof and data. They did it with the IRA and they are doing it with the Islamic fundos.
Now unless you can provide proof that the British govt has changed its tactics and policies after a good 3 decades of using it then by all means show it. If not, then i will very readily assume they are sticking to proven worthy tactics.
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where do the experts get their info from......
local garden centre on a sunday?
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oh, and to clarify...i have no proof to show YOU..
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LOL. You have no proof period thus all the dodging. 
I wonder do you jump through hoops as well?
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cm, if i had any respect or trust for you id pm you the"proof" as it happens I dont so i wont.
having said that I am impressed by your inability to accept anything as fact
there is nothing quite like bloody mindedness...
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^ Enough already.
Anyway I think Faisal brought up an interesting point. It's not just that a Pakistani might 'tell on' another Pakistani .Nor a Muslim get another fellow Muslim into trouble. But if there is any group, muslim/non muslim or desi/non desi (etc) - and they have issues with each other, and cant settle disputes, then it is a possibility that they might each try to get the other into trouble. That is a given. Its not about our people getting their own kind into deep waters, its any two groups which have conflicts.
Anyway this is where innocent people get tied into this whole net of more security. It simply makes matters very complicated. Anyone can accuse another of hateful preaching, and such. The lines will simply get dimmer between what is allowed and what is not. Too much is in the air, and too many things can simply be twisted around to fit into what will constitute as support for terrorism.