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no but beleving in sufis is part of muslim culture.. though idol worship is not there but preying and worshipping on mazar is done na..
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muslim do not prey and worship on mazar
in islam this is not allowed
thoes who do that actually have taken this from Hindus , althought they have been converted to islam but they just change this instead of worshiping idols they start worshiping graves etc
in islam this is not allowed
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again, practices added later. sufi thought does not advoctae worshipping dead ppl. mazaar usually was attached to a masjid, and people prayed there. later other crap got added by the jahils, which has nothing to do with religion. Kinda like I saw documentaries where ppl in india worshipp rats in some mandir. All of my hindu friends think that its ridiculous, but ey, people do stupid stuff and to outsiders it seems liek part and parcel of religion.
being a sufi is not the same thing as worshipping a grave 
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There were many temples in North which were converted into mosques or other structures.
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any prove
but there are proof of reverse
just look at Babri masjid
there was never a temple there
but in order to distroy a mosque , they created a story and distroyed babri mosque
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in most of holy cities like mathura,Varanasi the mosques share same wall with holy temples.. moswue name in varanasi is Gyan vapi mosque a hindi/sanskrit name?
the arcahleogy survey has found remains such as pillars and its being under further work.. there but supreme court has not answered verdict for goodwill of both communities so that some mutual understanding take place. and u know Ram idols are placed there since 1949 and till this day worship is done at that place legally so how can mosque be built at place where worshipping of other religion taking place not acc 2 shariat or Islam na..
the destruction of temples like somnath gujarat,Prahladpuri temple in multan is well mentioned in accounts of travellers.. also a its well known the policy of Orthodox ruler Aurengzeb Who forcibly did conversions of hindus in kashmir.. leading to killing of guru teg bahadur ji.. the present day temple of Varanasi was built in 1700's by queen ahilyabai holkar who made it around makeshift temple of shivling left after making mosque.. in pakistna too there is one mosque named as mandie wali maseet i read on net.. present day also one mandir taken by butuchers and for mosque by pir bukhari in sind.. it's in news..
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Some of the members friends, it appears, have difficulty in accepting the fact that several temples in North India were destroyed during Mughal Rule and converted to mausoleums/mosques or other structures. Evidence cannot be attached with these posts. One need to visit these places to know the truth. An eye for detail and ability to appreciate architecture and history are important tools to discern truth.
It is also true that there were only handful of Mughal rulers who tried to create a harmony between Hindus and Muslims while most of them behaved as barbarians....Khilji, Babar et al.
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i myself saw kashi vishwanath temple and gyan vaapi mosque(why a hindi name). qutub minar complex and mathura temple and mosque sharing wall
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I think pretty much every civilization has laid claim to other people's structures. Its not far fetched that this took place in India as well.
does not mean every old mosque is on some mandir's site, and does not mean that there are no mosques which are either converted bldgs or on teh site of some other structure.
although when one talks about the site of a former structure, we have to be careful, was some structure razed to make way for the new structure, or was it some abandoned, rotting structure, or a collapsed ruin, a site that was no longer being used but had an interesting spot in terms of real estate. it would be akin to me buying some land and seeing that some old half torn down decayed bldg is on a hilltop that no one cares about, but the location os fantastic and then I build a country club there ( no need to get excited, i aint loaded so this is just khayali pulao), ages later if someone comes by and accuses me of tearing down some important structure to build my country club...although I did, but its not quit teh same as tearing down an important, in use building.
the above are just some thoughts. As I have stated earlier, in all civilizations such things have taken place at varying levels of reuse, teardown, conversion etc.
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The city was sacked and many of its temples destroyed by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1018. The Keshav Dev temple was partially destroyed by the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb, who built the city’s Jami Masjid (Friday mosque) on the same site, re-using many of the temple’s stones. The main Krishna shrine is presently the Dwarkadeesh temple, built in 1815 by Seth Gokuldas Parikh, Treasurer of Gwalior.
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anyways its hard to keep up with this thread, kahan say kahan pohonch gaya hai :)
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**Gyanvapi Mosque **This mosque was built by Mughal emperor Aurangazeb. The foundation and the rear part of the mosque are the remains of a temple. One of its minarets which dominated the skyline of the holy city, collapsed in the1948 floods.
Vishwanath temple (Golden Temple)
The most sacred temple in Varanasi is the Vishwanath temple, located at Vishvanath Gali dedicated to Lord Shiva. Hindus believe Shiva lives here, so it's far too holy a place for non-Hindus to view, the followers of other religions are permitted a view from the Naubat Khana (seat of temple choir). The shivalinga at the Vishwanath temple is among one of the 12 Jyotrilingas. The current temple was built in 1776 by Ahalya Bai of Indore with about 800 kg of gold plating on the towers, which gives the temple its colloquial name, Golden Temple. The gold plated spire, was the gift of the Sikh Maharaja Ranjit Singh of Lahore in 1835, more than 50 years later. The **well of wisdom or 'Gyan Vapi' **which is nearby is believed to have been built by Lord Shiva himself to cool the 'linga' of Vishwanath with water.
However, one can still see the remnants of the temple in the intricate and fine artwork of the western wall of the mosque. Today, the Kashi Vishwanath Temple and the Gyanvapi mosque lie adjacent to each other
While in Mathura it was an out-of-court agreement between Hindus and Muslims that led to the construction of the temple in the first place. In fact, sacrilegious as this may sound, but for the extraordinary police presence, the sites can easily seem an elaboration of Sarv Dharma Sambhav.
In one sense, it is correct to club Kashi and Mathura together, for their histories closely parallel each other. Both were destroyed by Aurangzeb, or at his behest, in 1669 and 1670 respectively.
One of his court nobles Mustaid Khan compiled a history called Maasir ul Umra which describes the demolitions. The temple at Mathura, called Keshavdas, was built by Rao Veer Singh Bundela, a prominent nobleman at Jehangir’s court. There is no historical evidence of a temple existing before that.
In 1669 Aurangzeb ordered the destruction of the temple and got an Idgah constructed there. While there were occasional disputes, the mosque remained intact while Gujar Muslims who looked after the mosque’s upkeep inhabited the land behind it known as Katra Keshavdas, where the original temple existed.
In the early 19th century, after the East India Company took over the area from the Nawab of Oudh, the ownership of land behind the masjid, where a vestibule had remained intact, again became an issue.
The land was auctioned off to Raja Patni Mall, the ruler of Banaras against which local Muslims filed a case. Matters remained dormant until the 1940s when Madan Mohan Malviya decided to form a mandir trust to fight for possession of Katra Keshavdas.
In 1953 the Krishna Janmabhoomi Sansthan was formed and with donations from prominent business families like Goenkas, Birlas and Poddars, construction activity started.
In 1966 the Shahi Idgah Trust and Sri Krishna Janmabhoomi Seva Sangh reached an agreement over land use by which the Masjid trust renounced claims over the Katra allowing construction of a temple proper to begin.
That temple was completed in 1984 and thrown open to the public. After the demolition of the Babri Masjid in 1992, heavy security was deployed around the area.
On the other hand the Kashi Vishwanath Mandir was demolished in 1670 and using material from it, a mosque was constructed there by Aurangzeb’s orders. Unlike Mathura where virtually the whole temple was destroyed, some portions of the mandir at Kashi were left standing.
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An alternative account is given in a later source called Ganj-e-Arshadi by Syed Taiyyab Shah Banarasi, a prominent saint of the area. He claimed that a riot in the city between Hindus and Muslims over rights to the disputed area caused the demolition. It is to the south of the mosque that the main temple shrine existed.
In 1780, with the Mughal power on the wane, Ahilyabai Holkar of Indore got a temple built in the southern portion, the dome of which was covered in gold by Maharajah Ranjit Singh in 1839.
After the British takeover in 1803, a series of court cases were filed by either side. In 1858 the Banaras Criminal Court passed the following order:
“It is declared that only the mosque and the courtyard with the land underneath are Hanafi Muslim ‘Wakf’ and that the plaintiffs and others Hanafi Muslims have a right of offering prayers and of doing other religious but legitimate acts only in the mosque and on the courtyard and that they have a right to celebrate urs etc once a year at the two graves to the west of the mosque and also to use the khandhar as passage for going over the roof of the mosque. They are allowed to offer prayers on roof of the mosque.”
Half a century later, in 1936, as a result of a civil suit filed by a local Muslim lawyer, the Banaras Sessions court regulated land usage for both parties. Both Muslims and Hindus were permitted to offer prayers. The situation remained unchanged until 1991, when a fresh spate of litigation began.
The seminal dates for Kashi and Mathura closely parallel Ayodhya. It is in the 1850s, because of colonial intervention, that the status quo shifts a little and in all three places Hindu claims are given a greater recognition.
1940s mark the creation of a Krishna Janmabhoomi trust and the installation of a Ram idol in Babri Masjid and a consolidation of the status quo in Banaras. Unlike Ayodhya, temples are already in place at Kashi and Mathura.
In this sense, the conflict at these sites may seem more like a phantom fight. The temples attract some 20,000 visitors each every day. The number increases to lakhs on special occasions. They are both thriving institutions attracting business worth lakhs every day. Yet the conflict continues.
The dispute at these two places centres around two aspects. Who owns the land on which the mosques are built? This runs like a property dispute with claims and counterclaims. This aspect assumed importance because in 1991, the Central government passed The Places of Worship Special Provisions Act 1991 immobilising all shrine-based disputes to the status quo in 1947. So the onus is now on parties to prove possession before that.
The second aspect of the dispute centres around moral/religious claims. The location of the Garbhgriha of Kashi beneath the Gyanvapi Masjid, as claimed by the Kashi Vishwanath Mukti Samiti, which it wants to reclaim. Or, as in Mathura, the emotional claim of Shri Krishna Mandir.
However, it was the demolition of the Babri Masjid in 1992 that completely transformed the nature and importance of this dispute. The police took over the two shrines from that date onwards. Barricades were erected everywhere, making them appear fortress-like. Police have even taken over buildings around Gyanvapi, holding fort at the top. One Sardarji who nabbed us trying to sneak a picture had been posted on top of a roof for over two years.
Just as the Mandirs attract more pilgrims after 1992, the prayers at the mosques have also become more frequent. At the Mathura Idgah originally meant only for annual prayers, today namaz is offered all five times a day.
**mathura mosque
***Jama Masjid:*
The mosque lies in the very heart of the city and was built by Abe-In-Nabir Khan, the local governor in 1661 AD on the ruins of the Keshav Deo temple dedicated to Lord Krishna which was destroyed by Aurangzeb. This is the place where lord Krishna is believed to have been born in prison
Shri Krishna Janma Bhoomi:
The foremost place of Hindu veneration, the birth place of lord Krishna is in Katra Keshav Deo. On the same site stands Aurangzeb’s red stone mosque. Originally, there was a temple dedicated to lord Krishna, which was destroyed by Aurangzeb in 1669, in order to build the present mosque.[/size]
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Yaar ek baat batao..1969 main is forum ke member kaise bane. Vaakayi Fraud lagte ho :)
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when al gore invented internet and logged on for teh first time, I said hello to him, I was already around :) ever heard of ARPANET and what year that was started.
PS: i am joking about Al Gore inventing internet, we all know it was Liklider
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PS: i am joking about Al Gore inventing internet, we all know it was Liklider
Seedha jawaab dene ki aadat nahin janaab ko :)
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Moderators,
Anancient ko seedha karo..It should be Ancient. Khopri kharab hoti hai spelling errors ko dekh kar.
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Oh please!! First Taj Mehal was a Hindu temple, now the Kaaba? Temple Mount next?
Hindutva idiots are full of so much siht, I thought our country was full of idiots but it seems like the people in India are a million times more Jaahil (ignorant).
The Kaaba was built by Abraham* and Ishmael* (on the site where Adam* had first built it) to honour the God (El/Alaha/Allah) of presentday Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
The descendents of Abraham* and Ishmael* went off the monotheistic tracks after coming in contact with foreign nations (including South-Asia) for trade, they got impressed by pretty idols in foreign lands so they brought them back to their country and started worshipping them and turned the Kaaba, once a centre of monotheism into a center of polytheism, they retained some aspects of their forefathers religion (e.g. beleif in the supreme Allah, holding the Kaaba as sacred, certain Hajj rites) but they lost a lot of their ways and adopted polytheism (idol worship, shirk or avodah zarah) and assimilated it into their religion (like the Christians assimilated Pagan Roman concepts into Christianity).
The Prophet Mohammed* was also from the descendents of Abraham* and Ishamel* but he rejected the polytheism his people had assimilated into their religion, he cleaned the Kaaba of idols returning it to the House of God it was first built to be and he took his people back to the religion of monotheism revealed to their forefather Abaraham*.
Maybe some Hindu idols were worshipped in the Kaaba after being brought to Arabia by traders coming back from South-Asia but the Arabs were never part of any illusionary Hindu kingdom nor were they Hindu, their idols came from all sorts of different backgrounds and they did not associate Hindu philosophy and beleifs with them.
*Alaihimus Salaam
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Hindutva idiots are full of so much siht, I thought our country was full of idiots but it seems like the people in India are a million times more Jaahil (ignorant).
friend can u explain what do u mean by above..the problem is here is that people not dare to discuss and enquire but to do blind faith...
Does Islam teach blind faith in dear.. to get the knowledge of ones civilization and religion does not make one jaahil but enlighten him.. okay and u too be part of this civilization as Mohammed Bin Qasim is till date regarded as a conqurer and killer rather than savour...
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problem also is that people like to flame and incite, in one nick or another.
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I have seen churches have hundreds of statues of Jsus and Mary etc. Christians have these at homes too. Isn't that idolatory too?