There was the person whom i knew who was very ill, he had a heart attack and was taken to the hospital for treatment but to our shock he ran away and refused to get treated by any doctor nor did he want to take any kind of medication… this ego of his lead to his death a week later or so. Now my question is: Was it suicide?
(he was a christian and an old neighbour).
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well it depends...
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... but he refused help and medical treatment
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Poor thing!
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it doesnt change the fact that he died of natural illness
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His intention was not to kill himself. May be he had some religious conviction about getting medical treatment.
It isn’t suicide if a pregnant women refuses to be treated by a male doctor because of religious reasons, and then dies as a result of it. It is death by natural causes and sheer stupidity.
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cant be termed suicide....
many of us refuse to take medicine saying the disease will wear off by itself....
if someone dies cuz of this it wont be suicide....
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It is suicide according to Islam...
Self-preservation is number one in Islam...If it means eating pork, you do and if it means drinking alcohol, then you do...
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^ depends on what his reason was for denying the treatment....
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Islam prohibits such behaviour. It could be counted as suicide. Islam says that your body and your life has a right so dont spoil it.
Hope I made it clear.
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It was a suicide as much as smoking could be.
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Abu Dawud related in thhis Sunnan from hadith of Abu Darda: "the Messenger of Allah (sas) said: “Indeed God send down both illness and medicine and for every illness He gave a remedy. So carry out medical treatment, but do not use therin anything unlawful.”
(Abu Dawud)
Bukhari mentions in his Sahih from Ibn Masud: “God did not place your healing in anything which has been made unlawful for you”
(Bukhari)
And in the Sunan from Abu Hurayrah, who said: “The Messenger of Allah forbade medication with impure medicines (khabith).”
(ibn Hanbal, Musnad, II. 305)
In the Sahih of Muslim, from Tariq bin Suwayd al Jafri, he asked the Prophet (sas) about wine. The Prophet forbade it, or disappproved of Tariq’s making it. So he said: “I only make it for medicinal purposes”, to which the Prophet (sas) replied: “It is no medicine , but it is an illness.”
(Muslim, Ashriba, 12)
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^^:D
That reminds me of the time when the chief minister of Sindh Mir Jam Sadiq was discovered drinking, he said he drinks it for medicinal purposes…
I remember an incidence regarding the Holy Prophet :saw: when he himself perscribed camel's urine mixed with milk to cure some people who had come to Madina...
The idea behind the Ahadith you have quoted, are for those instances when people tend to abuse the liberties given by Allah :swt: as in the case of Jam Sadiq...
True, there is no medicinal value in pork, in alcohol or in cigarettes…However, the man in the post’s scenario refused all medicine…We also don’t know if anything he was being given was unlawful or not…
That is, in my opinion, a suicide...
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What if the medical treatment is actually spoiling your body or your soul?
what if the treatment is making you suffer so much you have to be put on drugs such as morphine to stand it?..and then dye a few weeks later of those natural cause that would have killed you right away by refusing the treatment?
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No it does not mean so. Those ahadith are very explicit and to the point. They were strictly in reply to the statement you made earlier. Nothing to do with the original issue being discussed.
The ahadith i posted in here are from Ibn Qayyim’s Tibb al Nabi. Theres a whole chapter in his book called, Prevention of treatment with forbidden substances. And the case has been made pretty clear that haraam substances should not be used for treatment.
As far as camels urine is concerned, the Prophet prescribed it mixed it with milk. Where does it say camels urine is a forbidden substance and cannot be used as medicine?
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^^
I agree…
Wallahoalam, but refusing medicinal treatment for a life threatening ailment is suicide…If you have so much liberty as to eat the most forbidden of all things such as pork to survive from starvation, then I have no idea what kind of medicine or treatment to save one’s life can be forbidden…
It’s like refusing to eat pork to alleviate hunger…And I for one know of no known Haram or forbidden substances used today in life saving drugs…
And since the man was a Christian, we have no way of knowing what he could have found so forbidden as to take his own life by refusing treatment…
I am sure you are aware of Hadith about tying the camel first…Sure, Allah :swt: has power over all things but he created cures for illnesses too…On this very earth by which to alleviate our maladies…
According to my knowledge he indeed committed suicide…