Was Bhutto killed before Hanging?

[muqawwee123]

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@ninja_hattori

Actually generals took revenge of what ZAb did to Yahya khan…

**in my view it is better to blame top brass army officers for murder of ZAB rather than singling out Zia…
**
What policy zia accepted regarding afghanistan were inevitable…

Why this statement reminds me Shafiqa Zia u Rehman, who said that Mr Zia didn’t know about the time of Bhutto’s hanging and when he knew that he cried a lot. I mean like this

[TLK]

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@Muzna

sad, sad time in our history…
can do nothing but hang our heads in shame that this was allowed to happen.

I am sorry to bring a political element here but ZAb himself said that PPP does not want an alive bhutto, PPP wants a dead bhutto. And you can see how true he was. PPP till now is doing Shaeedon kee Siyaasat. I am surprised that these guys have courage to call themselves Jayala. They should name themselves as Bhagoray

[ninja_hattori]

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@TLK as you pointed out its different topic i will wait for relevant thread but russian were looking for warm waters…

And I think the decision to hang ZAb must be collective one…

[TLK]

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@muqawwee123

Why this statement reminds me Shafiqa Zia u Rehman, who said that Mr Zia didn’t know about the time of Bhutto’s hanging and when he knew that he cried a lot. I mean like this

Hahaha, I heard similar story like that about Yazeed

[ehsan]

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@ninja_hattori

@TLK as you pointed out its different topic i will wait for relevant thread but russian were looking for warm waters…

And I think the decision to hang ZAb must be collective one…

also remember the words of Kissinger the secretary of state at the time, when he visited Paksitan and asked Bhutto to stop the nuclear prgramme. When Bhutto refused he said to him “we will make a horrible example of you”. They did through their agent zia.

[ehsan]

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@muqawwee123

Why this statement reminds me Shafiqa Zia u Rehman, who said that Mr Zia didn’t know about the time of Bhutto’s hanging and when he knew that he cried a lot. I mean like this

You mean he cried with happiness.

[ninja_hattori]

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yes that threat by kissinger we missed…

[muqawwee123]

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@ehsan

You mean he cried with happiness.

No I mean he cried with ‘magarmach’ ke aansoo. doosre din surme wali sarkaar ne surma bhi nahin daala.

[muqawwee123]

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Extract from the interview of Majid Qureshi, who was an assistant superintendent in Rawalpindi Jail on April 4, 1979. He is the person, who passed most of the time with Mr Bhutto on hanging day and remained with him from death cell to gallows. You can read full interview from pages 43 to 48 of the book (link given in OP). The interview was taken in 1992 during Nawaz Sharif Govt, after 17 years of Mr Bhutto’s death.

Q: What had happened on April 3/4 1979?

A: We were ourselves prisoners in the jail that day. The moment Bhutto ladies left after meeting Mr. Bhutto for the last time, all the means of communication had been disconnected from the outside world. I wanted to go home for some personal urgency but I was not allowed to go out. I was with Mr Bhutto since 10.30 pm till his hanging.

Q: Gen Chishti has said in a recent press statement that “Begum Nusrat Bhutto knows who took Mr. Bhutto to the gallows from his death cell.” What do you think it means?

A: I do not know. Col Rafi was there. Usually he would come to the jail in civil dress but that day he was in his uniform. The jail officers, including
Superintendent Yar Mohammad and IG Prisons Nazeer Akhtar and myself were all in uniform. From 10.30 to about 1.00 am, I remained with Mr. Bhutto in his death cell. We kept on talking about various small things. I was in fact trying to boost him up, to prepare him mentally for his death. I wanted to keep his image alive. Secondly, we all had wanted that the hanging should be a perfect one. We usually keep on hanging criminals in jails. In each and every case, the effort is to avoid any untoward incident. Generally we are successful in this effort. **Some of the criminals try to create a scene, but we overpower them in a soft manner. But Mr Bhutto was not a criminal. He had served the country as President and Prime Minister. He was a big politician. I wanted him to be prepared to hear that he was going to be hanged at 2 am the same night. I felt that actually it would be difficult for him to get ready for that. It took me a lot of time to convince him. In the beginning, he could not believe it. Perhaps he could not believe that the government had decided to hang him. Perhaps he was surprised. But soon, he became normal. I reminded him of his promise that he had made with Ms Benazir Bhutto, that he would accept death smilingly. He said it in his last meeting with Ms Benazir the same day and on earlier occasions as well. He had said that he would go to the gallows bravely and courageously. I asked him if he remembered that. He said he did. He was ready to accept death.
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Q: Would you describe the way from the death cell to the gallows?**

A: Outside the security ward where Mr. Bhutto was kept, there was a small lawn. Next to that, there were barracks and between them, there was long, over six - feet wide, corridor leading up to the roundabout, usually called “Chakkar,” after which the jail hospital was located. We used to go to the gallows through a sublane circulating around the hospital. But for Mr. Bhutto, we crossed the hospital from inside. The floor of the long corridor was earthen, there were no bricks on that. This was an extraordinary situation in which we had to cross this long route for reaching the gallows. Otherwise, death cells were located very close to the gallows and the condemned prisoners were to be lodged in those cells a day earlier. As was done in the case of the approvers in Mohammad Ahmad Khan’s murder case.

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Q: What did Mr. Bhutto say to you about his family?**

A: Nothing special. I asked him whether he wanted to give any message for Ms Benazir or Begum Nusrat Bhutto. He said no. He said he had talked to both of them in the day. While he was being taken to the gallows on the stretcher, he said: “Pity upon Nusrat. She will be left alone.” This showed his close relationship with his wife.

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Q: What was he doing when you went to him in his death cell, at 10.30 pm?**

A: He was sleeping. I woke him up. I said, sir, I am sorry, I have brought a news for you. It is a sad news what was the news, he asked. I said that was the last night of his life. He was going to be hanged. He asked: “When?” I replied: “At 2 o’ clock.” He asked: “Where?” “Right here, in this jail,” I replied. “I see!” he said, and then remained silent for quite some time. I could see he was upset. He read adjusted his pillow with the wall and raised his head. Then he kept on moving his fingers in his hair and thought deep, looking up at the roof of his cell. After half-an-hour, he changed the angle of his eyes and stared at me for a long pause. I moved from his side and pressed his legs tenderly. Slowly, I began talking to him I told him he had great image in the eyes of the people of Pakistan: “They will remember you after your death.” Then he again asked me whether I was sure that he was going to be hanged. I said yes. I told him he could write his will if he wished so. He said: “I wrote two pages. But then I tore and burnt them up.” Then I noticed pieces of burnt paper lying in his cell.

At about 1.15 am, the rest of the officers arrived in the cell. Superintendent Yar Mohammad asked how did Mr. Bhutto feel. “I am feeling all right,” he replied. “Let’s go to the gallows, then,” said Yar Mohammad. “I shall not go like that,” said Mr. Bhutto in a brilliant voice. “How shall you go then?” Yar Mohammad asked. “You’ll have to stage a coup against me!” said Mr. Bhutto in a lighter vein. Yar Mohammad laughed and said in Punjabi that it was meaningless to talk about a coup at that point. Then he went out of the cell and asked me to bring Mr. Bhutto one way or the other.
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I said to Mr. Bhutto that it would have been better if he had gone to the gallows on his own. I said he had promised to walk to the gallows. He said he remembered his promise. I said then he should stand up and walk. He did not say anything and he did not get up either. I believe that this was the only way that he expressed his anger. We had already put a stretcher outside his cell for such an eventuality. I told him we could take him on the stretcher if he did not feel like walking. He did not reply, but he did not resist either, while the warders lifted him and put him on the stretcher. There, his hands were cuffed close to his stomach. On the previous night, we had walked through the route from the death cell to the gallows, as an exercise. It had taken about three and a half minutes. But that night, it had rained and there was mud on the way. Therefore, we walked a little slower and must have reached the gallows in five minutes.**

[muqawwee123]

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@ehsan

Whatever the truth in the end it was a brutal murder carried with the support or coercion of the judiciary by Zia. As someone said above
the media was only allowed to portray the govt side of the story. Immediately after his arrest he was referred as the “barra mujrim” in all govt controlled media whenever they talked about Bhutto. Not only did they murder him but like a coward which Zia was buried him before the news was broken and did not allow his family to either see him for the last time or attend the funeral. Allah sees it all and Zia’s end was no better, his family didn’t see him either for the last time. There is justice in His nazam after all.

But if we look at funeral pictures of Mr Bhutto its too gloomy, even I’ve seen funerals of poor people in rural Sindh, where many people join and offer prayers for the deceased. In Mr Bhutto’s case, the funeral seems to be like for a Laa-waris person.

Zia got what he deserved, but he got a big funeral. In Azhar Lodhi’s words ‘Agar aaj sadr e Pakistan zinda hote to dekhte ke unje janaze main kitne log aae hue hain’.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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There are news that Government of Sindh will announce public holiday on 4th April, 2012 (Wednesday). The holiday may be announced because of 33rd death anniversary of Pakistan former Prime Minister and founder of Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Last year Sindh government announced public holiday.

Source: Pakistani Politics News Website.

[muqawwee123]

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@lethal_kamikaze

There are news that Government of Sindh will announce public holiday on 4th April, 2012 (Wednesday). The holiday may be announced because of 33rd death anniversary of Pakistan former Prime Minister and founder of Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Last year Sindh government announced public holiday.

Source: Pakistani Politics News Website.

LKK Pakistan main 5th April hai abhi.. Chutti khatam hogai sab ki

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Still 2 hours to go

[muqawwee123]

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LKK what do you remember / knew of the public reaction, when they knew about Mr Bhutto’s death?

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Here seems nobody care

[muqawwee123]

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@lethal_kamikaze

Here seems nobody care

There must have been agitations. After all, PPP had workers all over Pakistan.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Maybe or maybe not. But pplz here not discuss about parties of which party they belongs, likes. Otherwise we had many semi-groups pointing fingures on each-others.

[rangoli]

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I guess that would always remain a mystery … There was this video where this guy was saying that normally people who get hanged, they have these weird scars on their neck, but Bhutto didnt have any … Only Allah swt knows what happenend!

I remember reading in book that before the court verdict of Bhutto, 1000’s of ppp party workers were put behind the bars and the charge sheet was something like this " since ____ you are likely to incite trouble on the annoucement of Bhutto verdict, hereby you are detained" … According to Zia, courts were independent and trial was fair, but ofcourse, that wasnt the case, they knew the verdict!

like someone said above, it was clear US was involved as well .. but too me Zia hatred seemed personal

[TLK]

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how can you discuss a political leader without discussing political parties?

[devilish_angel]

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@rangoli

I guess that would always remain a mystery … There was this video where this guy was saying that normally people who get hanged, they have these weird scars on their neck, but Bhutto didnt have any … Only Allah swt knows what happenend!

I remember reading in book that before the court verdict of Bhutto, 1000’s of ppp party workers were put behind the bars and the charge sheet was something like this " since ____ you are likely to incite trouble on the annoucement of Bhutto verdict, hereby you are detained" … According to Zia, courts were independent and trial was fair, but ofcourse, that wasnt the case, they knew the verdict!

like someone said above, it was clear US was involved as well .. but too me Zia hatred seemed personal

wht i have read tht he had some red scar all around his neck but his neck didnt seemed broken bc when u hang neck is broken n the person die but bhutto neck was intact