I don't think Muslims believe women cannot be Prophets. There were so many Prophets, we do not know for sure if they were all male.
That's my thought as well, but apparently not all Muslims hold that belief.
Also, it does not rule out that they could be women but from what we know about women Maryam (AS) is the best of women and being the best of women and not generally accepted as a prophet then it follows that no women could have been prophets because no normal woman can be better than a prophet.
How about the fact that people are even discussing why an immoral military general is even being discussed as a potential prophet?
Peace Seminole
If you go back through this thread you will see that everyone denies it. It is only you who have indicated it's possibility ... care for me to regurgitate the post? Hehehe
That's my thought as well, but apparently not all Muslims hold that belief.
Peace Seminole
There is a difference in belief and trust. It is not an element of our 'aqeedah to believe all prophets were men. However, my line of reasoning puts doubt in the favour of their being women prophets.
I said his homosexuality alone wouldn't disqualify him from being a prophet. But there are many other issues that I believe would disqualify him. He was an immoral, selfish, promiscuous, war-mongering man hell bent on glorifying himself.
That's my thought as well, but apparently not all Muslims hold that belief.
I agree with psyah, it does make sense......(if you read carefully psyah is still not saying that there weren't any women prophets, , he's saying that there are more chances of being none female prophets because of the status of Maryam(AS)).
A mistake is defined as *an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc. *
Perhaps a better response from you would be "your beliefs are not the same as mine" since my I am as firm in my belief as you are in yours that my opinion is not based on poor reasoning, carelessness or insufficient knowledge.
Now if we are talking about what Muslims believe, you may very well be correct - I am mistaken. But if any religion is going to claim God, his creation, and all the prophets as their own, then my opinion on this matter is relevant. Otherwise I would be talking about a hypothetical God - which I am not.
A mistake is defined as *an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc. *
Perhaps a better response from you would be "your beliefs are not the same as mine" since my I am as firm in my belief as you are in yours that my opinion is not based on poor reasoning, carelessness or insufficient knowledge.
Now if we are talking about what Muslims believe, you may very well be correct - I am mistaken. But if any religion is going to claim God, his creation, and all the prophets as their own, then my opinion on this matter is relevant. Otherwise I would be talking about a hypothetical God - which I am not.
Peace Seminole
Okay good dictionary lesson on the word 'mistake'. I was being nice by the way. Let's get back to the claim.
You say that by being a homosexual it would not disqualify ANTG (the N stands for NOT) from being a prophet. Now that you clarified your position it is good for me to say that for you and your personal beliefs that ANTG is a possible gay prophet. According to Islam homosexuality is a sin and prophets do not sin. We will follow the example of our prophets and you can follow the example of your ANTG.
What? Not satisfied? Try animals then? Or machines even? Oh ... you don't actually think he is prophet do you ... you are only playing the wild card of possibility. Semi please say things that you yourself believe in or you will be held to account here.
Okay good dictionary lesson on the word 'mistake'. I was being nice by the way. Let's get back to the claim.
You say that by being a homosexual it would not disqualify ANTG (the N stands for NOT) from being a prophet. Now that you clarified your position it is good for me to say that for you and your personal beliefs that ANTG is a possible gay prophet. According to Islam homosexuality is a sin and prophets do not sin. We will follow the example of our prophets and you can follow the example of your ANTG.
What? Not satisfied? Try animals then? Or machines even? Oh ... you don't actually think he is prophet do you ... you are only playing the wild card of possibility. Semi please say things that you yourself believe in or you will be held to account here.
I think you are being very careless by the way.
Thank you for being "nice". Very civilized of you. Now let me lay out the things I believe so you can feel free to hold me to account.... I don't believe the Quran to be the words of God (inspired maybe, but not literal). I don't believe Muhammad is the last prophet or the greatest prophet. I don't believe his life is the ultimate example for all to follow. I don't believe Alexander the Great to be great at anything outside of warfare which in my book diminishes anyone's spiritual greatness. I don't believe homosexuality to be a sin (I do believe promiscuity and infidelity are, the only way homosexuality was practiced 1400 years ago). I don't believe homosexuality can be campared to bestiality any more than praying to God can be compared to praying to an animal.
I do believe it is possible to follow the basic tenets of Islam and get to heaven.
I don't believe homosexuality to be a sin (I do believe promiscuity and infidelity are, the only way homosexuality was practiced 1400 years ago). I don't believe homosexuality can be campared to bestiality any more than praying to God can be compared to praying to an animal.
I do believe it is possible to follow the basic tenets of Islam and get to heaven.
Peace Seminole
It is a basic tenet in Islam to believe that homosexuality is a sin. I did not say that homosexual people will not go to Paradise. Homosexuality is a sin not because it was over practiced, but because it is in itself an abomination of our function.
Homosexuality is sexual deviation just as bestiality is, but praying to God is not worshipping deviation like praying to an animal is. When you bring your analogies please make sure they hold water.
It is a basic tenet in Islam to believe that homosexuality is a sin. I did not say that homosexual people will not go to Paradise. Homosexuality is a sin not because it was over practiced, but because it is in itself an abomination of our function.
Homosexuality is sexual deviation just as bestiality is, but praying to God is not worshipping deviation like praying to an animal is. When you bring your analogies please make sure they hold water.
Perhaps you are the one that needs to be more cautious when making analogies. Homosexuality is no more a deviation than polygamy and pedophilia, two deviant behaviors not only allowed in Islam, but actually practiced by some of its most prominent adherents. If you compare homosexuality to bestiality then you must also include polygamy and pedophilia in that comparison.
And it all depends on someone's pov as to whats a deviant prayer is. Some consider praying to God through a statue or cross to be deviant deviant. Some find praying to animals or nature to be deviant. Others find facing a rock while praying to be deviant.
so anyway i read long time..that when Alexander came to India he heard about a temple in which there was a rope which had a knot. He went to see this temple, this knot. It was said that whoever manages to untie this knot will rule India. He took out his sword and with one stroke cut the knot.
On a lighter note, I dont mind anyone being gay..that is their business and their right...but since we ARE talking about prophets and we ARE talking about homosexuality that age old wise mans saying comes to mind:
God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
See what i did there... i took both situations and interelated them with a clever line!
I don't think Muslims believe women cannot be Prophets. There were so many Prophets, we do not know for sure if they were all male.
Your first sentence contradicts the second. If you are convinced the second is true, then you are in no position to make the claim of the first sentence.
so anyway i read long time..that when Alexander came to India he heard about a temple in which there was a rope which had a knot. He went to see this temple, this knot. It was said that whoever manages to untie this knot will rule India. He took out his sword and with one stroke cut the knot.
On a lighter note, I dont mind anyone being gay..that is their business and their right...but since we ARE talking about prophets and we ARE talking about homosexuality that age old wise mans saying comes to mind:
God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
See what i did there... i took both situations and interelated them with a clever line!
Alexander came to Pakistan not India first offs. Second the Gordion knot that you refer to was in Asia minor (modern Turkey) not Pakistan (South Asia).
Your first sentence contradicts the second. If you are convinced the second is true, then you are in no position to make the claim of the first sentence.
no his sentences don't contradict each other read it again. It has two negatives in it. 2 negs. make a positive.
Alexander came to Pakistan not India first offs. Second the Gordion knot that you refer to was in Asia minor (modern Turkey) not Pakistan (South Asia).
Pakistan....which was india back then...!!!
Anyway i stand corrected...(although im sure the story was based indiaish and not turkish like you say)
Anyway i stand corrected...(although im sure the story was based indiaish and not turkish like you say)
Pakistan was not india Pakistan was a couple of distint regions and kingdoms, one of which was what the persians called hinduya and Greeks Indioi, which lied almost all within Pakistan. Porus kingdom was w/n the bounds of that region as well. Modern day India was not known as India back then. Infact Greeks did not even know that modern day India existed. Hence I said Pakistan.
There are a lot of romours that Alexander the great was a sick homo. Now if that is true, then there is no way he can be a prophet. Prophets were holy good heavenly people, which a homo can never be.
But if he was not a homo, then there is a possibility he could be a prophet. But I doubt that because he was a man of war and not a man of religion.
However, it is entirely possible that buddha or Ancient Indian holy man can be prophets as in Islam, God has sent thousands of messengers to many people around the world.