So I look around and there are people who are warriors and soldiers, sword of god, lion of god, in names and self given titles, the titles especially prevalent in religiou-political entities
and I wonder, why is it that the focus is not on teachers, scholars, healers of faith.
anyone else notice the same?
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Hehe this thread is a reference to me no?
Often the same tutors healers and saints were warriors.
Thats something nobody can ignore.
If you want to follow something follow it to the full.
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Because Scholars and men of wisdom realize that titles mean very little under the eyes of Allah.
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My question, would Islam be complete without warriors?
Never… besides most of the Siants were also warriors.
Even the four schools of fiqh were led by men who at some time raised the sword… every one of the Sahaba at badr was an acomplished warrior and thier equal to the entire ummat.
I rest my case. 
Hehe this thread is a reference to me no?
Often the same tutors healers and saints were warriors.
Thats something nobody can ignore.
If you want to follow something follow it to the full.
dude..i barely know you, its no reference to you.
as far as warriors being scholars, at times they were but not always, so that settles it, because when you look at all the major academicians and muslim scientists, I dont think most or many of them were 'warriors'
but the point still stands, the focus of our religiously inclined folks often seems to be on fighting and war but less on learning. atleast in our religio-political entities, as a matter of fact often they are barely educated even in proper theology, let alone sciences
thats something I cant ignore.
the pen is mightier than the sword may be something that those people need to understand
would islam be complete without scholars?
forget ‘saints’ talk about muslim scientists…how many of them were warriors
and before you rest your case, if i buy your argument that most or all scholars were warriors..that does not change the fact that today our so called warriors are essentially jahil.
I will have no issue if their were ppl who were warriors and scholars at the same time, but we dont, we have self declared warriors, but thats easy…to be a scholar takes time and effort and thinking and brains and training. currently any two bit thug who can learn the monkey work of shooting a gun, or can strap on explosive vest can think of himself as a warrior, and that is a problem.
when I see activists of jamiaat and jamat e islami..they may think of themselves as ‘warriors’ but scholars they are surely not 
being dhaka paas peela school matric pass does not make someone a scholar
Because Scholars and men of wisdom realize that titles mean very little under the eyes of Allah.
very well stated CM.
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Aah i get your drift now… 
I agree with you on that.
All religions are millitant even bhudists i’ve seen can be deadly and still believe in universal peace. 
Okay seriously those who run round waving swords and calling for a calliphate, no way i’d say get educated on iman and fiqh first.
However those who are astute muslims and know that the pen is mightier then the sword etc are great, if the world they live in pushes them to the sword then they can act with clear conscience.
As for my beliefs i grew up in a very martial part of the world… i belong to a very warlike people… war is a way of life.
I see Islam as a way out of war but at the same time i see that peace often has to be gained by first walking through the flames.
Hence i am not a fanatic, i remmber when i first started posting on GS i met a fellow from India called Rajind and like Mr X2 he was a learned man.
I loved debating with him for on one side he was a Hindu follower of Ghandhi and on the other i was a Muslim combination of a man who loved the martial spirit from Ali to Jalaudeen… and the loving nature of the saints like Kwaja Pir Mouin Udeen chisti.
Waissay i had a thread in the history section that showed how Islam was spread in India not by the sword but by tableeg.
Okay this is becoming a long post and i hate to make you read it.
But basically one should meet the threat of times with the response most suitable.
If the enemy is educated then great sit down and talk, Saladin was not the greatest fighter among Muslims but he was the most succesfull leader in the crusades.
However if the enemy is uneducated or ignorant then sure meet him with blithe force as well.
Also Islam is not a faith built by warriors alone.
But like i say they made thier contribution so lets not bismirch it.
As it says on the Shaheeds gate.
"Do not shun the gun
dearest young.
Remember that we gave our lives so that you may live yours."
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Yes knowledge is mightier than millitia, but both are inevitable condotional to in what ratio they are needed.
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the challenge Faris is that the idiots amongst us first have discounted the importance of all other aspects of faith
and even these so called fighters and all, they are not anything close to the real warriors, they are faux-fighters.
I for second do not confuse these galli mohalla sarak chaap militants with real warriors.
but I think its easy for their masters to make them think they are some phannay khans.
a society needs builders, protecters, thinkers...all and more, sadly these groups focus on the protector portion and even shortchange that.
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On that i agree.
Also warriors of today need to prove they are actually warriors.
A warrior fights becuase he has to.
Sure he is highly skilled and more skilled than any street jack.
However These days faux warriors are many take for example Lashkar e Toiba they are terrorists for sure.
But the Afghan hunter who spends his youth hunting wolves to protect livestock and takes up arms for his people against and invading and occupying force is a genuine warrior.
Warriors do exist but in my case my works boss labbels me as one becuase of my way of life.
You can see the differnece for yourselves.
Terrorists and warriors are different totally different mentality behind the man.
Warriors of Islam used to be scholars and hard workers thier high level martial skills were also skills used on a day to day basis.
The man who carries the elderly on his shoulders or the man who works the fields is more likely to be a warrior than the junk food stuffing poor robbing terrorists.
Terrorists and warriors are different totally different mentality behind the man.
Warriors of Islam used to be scholars and hard workers thier high level martial skills were also skills used on a day to day basis.
The man who carries the elderly on his shoulders or the man who works the fields is more likely to be a warrior than the junk food stuffing poor robbing terrorists.
well stated, if only more people could understand this.
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Well i believe many do but the powers that be dont want things to be that way.
Afterall it's a threat to the status quo.
:k:
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coz barking dogs seldom bites....
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^ Good point.
Anyone remember the likes of Samil Baseyev, Arkan , Abu Nidal and Carlos Romeros? Most people dont give a damn no more and these terrorist thugs went on to be forgotten.
Men like Shiek Ahmed Yasin, and others like him though are more akin to the traditional Islamic Warriors.
Theres no proof that some of these guys ever fought a battle let alone a terrorist campaign but they still worked hard for thier people.
Men like Basayev have been almost forgoten outside thier home countries.
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Pir Sahib! Life is a struggle, and that is what Jihad means!
Scholars, teachers and healers they all struggle equally or more so, like our Holy Prophets (PBUH) said after coming back from a battle:
Now we go back to “Jihad-e-Akbar”
So you are absolutely Right…there needs to be Titles bestowed on those who are doing the Bigger Struggle/Jihad …:k:
What kind of titles did you have in mind?..
Some say “Pir” fits the bill…
Also don’t forget Pakistan bestowed the highest title on Mohammad Ali Jinnah..Qaid-e-Azam :k: