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This might be an unusual topic, but its very serious. Which methods of birth-control is the most widely used? Which ones do you recommend? Should multiple methods be used at the same time to be “very sure”?

There are so many available, each (with a couple of exceptions) may have side effects. You would be surprised to know that even coitus interruptus may have unfortunate side-effects (even though it is the most risky). Sometimes doctors can help identifying the best one, but for most part it is just a personal choice.

So?

Well......it comes down to personal choice and probably convenience too.

I can't think of anything as convenient as the oral contraception. It's easy, and presents minimal side effects for most people. Plus, it has been used for so long that there are statistics to support it.

I heard that Canada is in the process of evaluating and approving the Patch as well. Dunno much about it though.

Well t/ 'patch' has just very recently been approved by t/ FDA in America and is considereed safer than t/ pill (reasons yet unknown to me). There are always plenty of options including t/ "loop" which is a thingie inserted in t/ woman by her doctor for anywhere from one to five yrs (
my frnds had this insertion for 5 yrs and recently got pregnant w/ her 3rd kid as planned). So as you know there are several safe options.

I must add I never did understand t/ need to have to beby in t/ 9th month though?? Is it cuz both hubby & wifey have no desire to spend time & get to know each other or just want to have something to talk about?? I know it is a persoanl choice, but more often I have seen & heard t/ family pressure to get pregnant right away & eexpect t/ product in t/ 9th month so as not to waste any time, "varnaa nikaah tooth jaiga" as someone would say!

Family planning among Pakistani families both in Pakistan & abroad unfortunately is still very much a taboo, moreso before the first pregnancy. Then there is t/ added pressure to produce t/ ultimate jewel (as said by someone in another thread), i.e. t/ son So t/ need to prduce one after t/ other is always justified.

What is this patch? Is it something placed just under the woman's skin (on the arm), and is supposed to work for 3-5 years? Does anyone has any experience with this? Whats the assurity % and any side effects?

Yes, oral contraceptives are probably the safest, but they have some logistical issues. For men, by far the most convenient is for their wives to be on the pill, however there are side-effects (weight gain is one) and secondly it is not 100% sure. Even oral is not 100% sure but it has the highest assurity rate.

The permanent methods of contraception may not be a viable option for many couples. Some doctors also recommend the "wire", but it sounds so complicated.

ps. Not that I didn't notice, but thanks Muzna to keep the topic in line. Some ppl just can't differentiate between differnt forums.

One of my friends had Vasectomy done last year and he's pretty pleased with it. According to him, it was a brief procedure and was not costly. Condoms are other cheap and readily available method and perhaps is better than coitus interruptus.

Personally, I think the best advice on such matters can only come from the medical professionals. Consult with your doctor to see what are some of the most effective options available suiting your needs. Also, WebMD is a good resource to explore some literature on primary basis.

Roman, is Vasectomy reversible? I heard it is, but it can be a VERY complicated procedure and hence not advisable.

Peacemaker,

I think he told me that it's reversible but I'd have to check with him and can get back to you on that.

He told me that he had a session with the doctor in which the doctor explained the procedure etc in satisfactory details to him and he made his decision after that.

Like any medicine use, t/ "pill" has its share of side effects if taken for a lonnnng period of time i.e. years and yrs. t/ Pill actually stabilizes a woman's weight and thus a woman needs to watch her diet (as we all should normally) cuz I know t/ pill does not help in "losing" t/ unwanted wieght. I personally know quite a few women who are on t/ pill and have not noticed any significant weight gain which they admit is more due to overeating/ improper diet and lack of execising than t/ "pill". There are a couple I know who take t/ injection form of contraception caled Depo preva or something like that for which they visit their doctors once evry 4-6 months. Like Roman said, one must talk to their doctor about any form of contraception.

Also, don't women gain weight significantlyfrom pregnancy itself, but we don't ever discourage that, do we?? Once again it's t/ use of t/ pill or any other oral contraception for a number of yrs that is of medical concern to doctors.

Also, Peacemaker, t/ patch is from what little I know, is placed anywhere *on * t/ woman's skin which controls t/ hormones. I myself saw it on t/ news only yesterday cuz in America it was just approved this week by t/ FDA. Nothing is 100% gauranteed ofcourse! Even t/ pill which is considered t/ safest so far, is only about 97%-98% fool proof.

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nywayz

Vasectomy isnt a complicated procedure
the actual thing is done under a general/local anesthetia and the person is up and about in 2 weeks

The procedure involves a small incision on the uppar part of the scrotum and the tubes Vas-deferens are tied off
which prevents the transport of sperm out of the testes but there will still be fluid ejuclate just not the sperms in it

You have to wait though for bout a month 4-6 weeks before having sex without the condom
until the sperm count is totally low

the only problem with Vasectomy is though men get goose bumps just thinking bout it and the myths that it might effect their performance in the bedroom makes them run in the other direction

Not all men can have it done
one has to go through atleast five different medical exams and 2 specialists ..and then only are they given the green light

As for The Pill,
Myth no.1 …Weight Gain
Myth no. 2 …Facial hair growth
god the list goes on

I have yet to meet a woman who gained weight using the pill
infact most women i have met who are on the pill have lost all the weight they gained during the pregnancy

Most probably eating habits are to be blamed for weight gain then the pill

It is also recommened that women who are on the pill, to get off it for a month once in a year.

and usually couples combine two methods
to be extra safe
like the woman will be on the pill but they will also use condoms
or three methods vasectomy, pill and condoms

or better have a hysterectomy done kissa hi finished
alrite i am being funny again

[This message has been edited by Anchal (edited May 11, 2001).]

2 weeks...? Are you sure? I thought after vasectomy, a patient is basically out and about almost the same day (wrong info on may part?).

Anyway, vasectomy per se is not a complicated procedure. It is REVERSING vasectomy, which can be quite complicated. And yes, you are right, it is the fear, which keeps most men away from it.

So all that you wrote about pill is just a myth. That clears up one thing, though it would seem, pill can not be taken for a long period of time. True?

they can go home the same day
but there is a bit bruising and swelling which goes away after a week or so

the usual you know

my experience with The Pill are various
One client of mummy's had this hormonal facial hair problem
so mummy recommeneded her to a gyno who put her straight away on the pill which controlled her extra hair growth

sometimes The Pill is also used to control acne

Speaking out of experience, other then mood swings before that time of the month (which can also be usualy PMS symptoms) I havent noticed anything out of the ordinary
I lost all the extra weight in five months, which i couldnt bring myself to shed in two years

ps. I wasnt that sure bout the terms and all so i went looking for the booklet we got when we went for it
thats why i edited my first post with specific details bout vasectomy

[This message has been edited by Anchal (edited May 11, 2001).]

This is helpful.

Ever heard of the "Rhythm Method"? At one time it was considered the best method, though it is not exact and, therefore, can be quite risky. However, combined with oral contraceptives can make life much easier.

(Many people also use the "Rhythm Method" to decide the sex of the baby too. Though that is a separate discussion. And, yet again, it is not an exact science there as well.)

I am also interested in knowing about the results of other more innovative methods, like the copper wire and this so-called "patch".

I have never heard of weightgain as side effect of the pill, but the following is a proven side-effects: thrombosis in the leg and other vasculardiseases. although the risk is ** very ** low for healthy women, it increaes tenfold when you smoke cigarettes!!!!!!!!
as for vasectomy: it is reversible but the chances are that in the meantime the man's immune system has destroyed all his spermocytes: that means he is infertile!!!!! (because normally your sperm doesn't get into contact with your bodyfluids). as far as I know this is the only major complication of vasectomy


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[This message has been edited by NeSCio (edited May 11, 2001).]

As for The Pill,
Myth no.1 ...Weight Gain
Myth no. 2 ...Facial hair growth
god the list goes on

Totally agree.

In my opinion the oral contarceptive is the most convenient and stress free method.

As for gaining weight, it rather helped me very much in controlling it, and I suffered NO other side effects.

Many women have these 3 or 5 year injections, which I have heard are not very reliable.

Any replies that were deleted from this thread were non-serious. (Check Anchal's post. She figured it out.)

This is a serious discussion and we would appreciate it if you treat it so.

Anyone wanting to create a fuss about it, contact [email protected].

Lacking experience ,i know only what i read,as you can see injectable contraceptives are quiet popular ,in some ppl. who sre busy,& unable to regiment there lives to routine to remember taking pills evry day .
The right to choose
Usha Rai

After the tremendous setback suffered by the country’s family planning programme during the emergency, the government has been extremely cautious about every step taken on the population stabilisation front.

That is why we did not even have a population policy till last year. Though one of the first countries to launch a national family planning programme in the Fifties, the contraceptive choice is still limited to the condom, the oral pill, the IUCD (intra-uterine contraceptive device). Sterilisation is an option only for those who have completed their family.

Smaller developing countries like Indonesia and Bangladesh, despite their stricter Muslim regimen, have been more progressive and offer implants and injectables among the array of contraceptive choices. In India, women’s groups have made such a hue and cry about them that the government has steered clear of introducing them in its welfare services.

Recently, the Supreme Court set aside a writ petition against the use of the injectable net en (Norsiterat) and there is hope it may be introduced soon. But like a scalded cat the government is still being extremely cautious. After a spate of meetings with the Indian Council of Medical Research and the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, the government has decided to involve 12 medical colleges in a pilot study of net en.

While it is true that in a country where basic health facilities are lacking, it is difficult to push the injectables, which requires monitoring and counselling of those using them, with India’s population having crossed a billion, can the government just sit back twiddling its thumbs? Should it not play a more proactive role?

More and more women are resorting to abortions when they find they are pregnant. It is estimated that 11 million abortions occur in India annually killing 20,000 women. Modern technologies like ultrasound are being used in small towns and villages to determine the sex of the unborn child and get rid of it if it is female. So why are we being so queasy about the latest technologies and contraceptives to have spacing between children? Is it not better than foeticide?

While the government is still edging along cautiously on injectables, several private doctors and NGOs like DKT in Mumbai, Janani in Patna and the Family Planning Association of India are marketing and prescribing injectables. Just one NGO has motivated 50,000 women in Maharashtra, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and the North-east to try out the injectables. In Mumbai, the Muslim women opt for injectables to prevent conception rather than resort to sterilisation.

DKT is marketing injectables in Mumbai for over five years. Others have tried it and rejected it because it did not agree with them. The important thing is they had a choice. Yasmin Sheikh, 28, mother of two, who has been on net en for five years is a remarkably confident woman. Yasmin, who lives in Park Side, Vikroli West, has induced other young women in her locality to opt for injectables.

Just seven or eight years when her mother died, she had to stop attending the madrasa to look after her younger brother. Married at 15, for two years she was on the pill. At 18, she had her son. After that she had two abortions. She had a daughter five years after her son. Ever since, on the advice of her family doctor, she has been on injectables. Earlier, she was thin and had heavy bleeding. Now she is 50 kg and her periods are regular. Yasmin has the support of her husband and family elders.

Asked why she did not go in for sterilisation if her family was complete, Yasmin said no one in her family had undergone a sterilisation and they did not approve of one. Asked how long she would be on injectables, she replied, “As long as I can tolerate them. If I go in for sterilisation, it will be with the concurrence of my family.”

Nirmala, 35, and mother of four, has been on net en for two years now. Sterilisation is taboo in her house too. Soon after being put on net en, Nirmala said her periods were irregular, her stomach felt distended and she had a stomachache. She bled for a whole month but could do nothing about it because she was in the village. On her return to Mumbai, her doctor gave her medicine to ease the pain and control the bleeding. Nirmala has decided to continue with the injectable till a better contraceptive is available. She prefers injectables to pills, which have to be taken every day.

Rita Gupta, 23, was not as upbeat about the injectable as Yasmin. Mother of one child after a caesarian operation, Rita had an induced abortion to avert a second child. She had three shots of net en in six months. Initially, she had heavy bleeding and the chronic pain in her back had increased. With medicines the heavy bleeding has been arrested but the back pain persists.

Sanjeevani Gawde, 28, has been on injectables since 1995, within two months of its introduction in Mumbai. She saw the DKT poster at her doctor’s clinic, inquired about the product, then went in for it. According to Sujata, DKT’s social worker for the Vikroli area, Sanjeevani, had only one child when she went in for the injectables. After two years on the injectable, she stopped it to see if her fertility had been affected. She got pregnant, had a clean up job, and went back to the injectable. Sanjeevani is a remarkable women because she personally tested the contraceptive.

Behrampada is a predominantly Muslim area of Bandra, and families live cheek by jowl. Seven doctors in the area dispense injectables along with other contraceptives. Injectables have been introduced and women were in their second and third doses of net en when this correspondent met them. Praveen Abdul Salam Sheikh, 25, mother of a boy and girl aged five and three, however, had six doses of net en. Except for amenorrhoea (stoppage of periods), she found the injectable quite suitable. She was thinking of delaying her next shot of net en but the social worker asked her to get in touch with her doctor. Praveen’s daughter was only six months when she got pregnant. Earlier, she was on pills but had problems.

Praveen’s neighbour was stopped by her mother-in-law from using the injectables when she had ‘spotting’. Spotting is a side-effect of injectables and even if it is negligible women stop using the contraceptive because they cannot do pooja or namaz when they have spotting. Counselling women that spotting is different from menstruation does encourage some women to continue with the contraceptive. There were five other Muslim women from Behrampada (between 20 to 30) who were on net en.

The side-effects of injectables are intermittent. In 25 per cent cases, there is amenorrhoea. There are more chances of amenorrhoea in depo provera, which is a quarterly injectable than in net en, a bi-monthly injectable. The women tend to worry that they have got pregnant when they have amenorrohoea. Counselling is vital at this stage or the women give up injectables, says Sanjay Mehta, who runs a nursing home in Ghatkopar and offers women who have had babies a choice of IUCD, the pill and the injectables. He has been selling depo provera for less than a year.

Though DKT has been supplying net en at a subsidised rate of Rs 50 a shot, doctors charge Rs 100 a shot. For subsequent consultations they charge Rs 20 a visit. The price of depo is Rs 100 a shot. Fifty per cent of the women drop out because, coming from a poor section of society, they find the price too high. Their husbands earn Rs 2,000 to Rs 3,000 a month. They prefer Mala D, which costs just Rs 2 a month. If the injectables were cheaper, there would be greater acceptability; for if a woman on the pill misses a single dose she gets pregnant and has to go in for medical termination of pregnancy. Injectables are a surer method of staving off conception.


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I believe Vasectomy in women can be temporary or permanent. In other words, it's reversible in women. However, according to my friend, persuading a women after having two kids to have anything done to her body is a task that should be done from far distance with a helmet on.

I have heard mixed opinions from women on pills. Many women don't prefer it as a suitable method for contraception for various reasons, that I'm sure have already been discussed in this thread. But on the other hand, for men the choices are few. I think it really depends upon couple to couple and what they are needs are.

Vasectomy in men is almost irreversible (according to modern techniques, they can perform micro surgery but the procedure is quite costly) but besides that there are no other complications after the procedure. As a matter of fact, my friend is so pleased with it that he wants to have it done twice (Yes Admin, that was a joke and hence deserves editting).

Roman...

Reading what Anchal wrote about vasectomy, it sounds anything but fun. Plus that some couples combine multiple methods (vasecotmy, oral, and pills) means... duh! whats all the trouble for?

If it is a combination of multiple methods, the easiest will be a combination of Rhythm method, oral contraceptive and coitus interreptus. This is most non-complicated, least expensive and perhaps quite secure.

With Rhythm method, one would know the days of the month (about 10 days) where oral contraceptive is required, and for the most fertile days (2-3 days) either abstinance or coitus interreptus. Should work fine without all the hassles of injectibles, pills or vasectomy...right?

... and by the way, by vasectomy for women, you probably mean the procedure where they tie the tubes of the woman. This is a surgical procedure, and since it is permanent, it is only performed after the family is complete.

It is a viable option for women, who are having their 'last' baby as C-section, since in that case the doctor/surgeon can just perform this additional task without much problem.

You are right, it will be impossible to ask a woman to specially go for 'vasectomy', after a few child-births, especially since there are many other alternatives available.

Roman your friend is absolutely right
No woman in her right mind would set foot in the hospital ever again after having enough kids

I dont get it, a woman goes through nine months which arent a piece of cake
she gives birth, which also isnt a piece of cake and then she is expected to further damage her body by having her tubes tied up

why cant the husband step forward and be a sweetheart and say 'ooo my wife has been through enough, i will volunteer this time around to have my tubes tied'

btw the Male Pill is on trail, pretty soon it will be in the Market...kinda funny though
the alarm on the wrist watch goes off in the office
the guy across the desk asks 'whats that for'
you reply 'oo nothing just time to take my pill'
muhahahahahahaha

Coming to multiple methods
god its only for peace of mind
otherwise if its a person like me....there is nothing but extreme display of paranoid behaviour at a slight headache, or dizziness, or feeling tired blah
There is no turning back if you fall pregnant
better be safe then sorry i guess

what in the world is Rhythm Method?