Muslims are gettin masacred by teh crusadre invasion, and people here are talkin facing Kaba, n azaan!!!
Wake up muslims…b4 ist too late!
Re: wierd poeple!
do we muslims have left any sense of fear of Allah and are we Muslims?
assalam-o-alikum..
regardless of how much hypocrite i am, how much i lust for the facilities and money I can earn in America, how splendid is the life when we accompany The Evil.. my mind still raises question..
why Muslims of the world are fighting each other, even in very SAME discussion FORUM, on shia muslim issues.
why Muslims are divided of very minute and basic issues, that lead us to bigger differnces, which seem impossible to coverup..
why we Muslims still praying 5 times a day, dont fear Allah, and dont TRUST him..
why we Muslims are hypocrites, and just trying to convince ok this is now war against Islam, so lets calm down , let the show continue..
why we muslims turn our face against JEHAD ( in any form ) , and proven that Muslims are hating the Term jehad. Thanks to our new generation of liberated Muslims, according to them living like a good person, doing nothing for relegion, isolating Islam from relegion is FINE, and yet call themselves Muslims..
WHY are we not united..?
where is the democracy , according to which elected people represent the poeple. now where in the part of WORLD, any single government is representing the true consent of the people????? answer me you supporters of Democracy.
no matter how harsh my questions are.. but someone has to answer them with sincerity , and the beleif that the life has to end, and Allah's questions will be much harsh and failing to answer will be of consequecnes for SURE..
In the end i would ASK all brother Muslimeens here in this discussion group, lets just keep aside our differneces, our feelings, and every thing which makes apart. and for just once come together, be united and support IRAQI innocent people in every mean possible. lets not turn our faces from jehad ( all forms ) and fight for the very existance of our land , resources and most important OUR RELEGION..
that is all.
Muzzammil
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Re: do we muslims have left any sense of fear of Allah and are we Muslims?
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why Muslims of the world are fighting each other, even in very SAME discussion FORUM, on shia muslim issues.*
as you mentioned earlier, you should include "selfish" attribute to Muslims as well. we are very selfish from very individual level to national and ummah level.
why Muslims are divided of very minute and basic issues, that lead us to bigger differnces, which seem impossible to coverup..
we want to prove that we (our sect) have been "right" all along and all others are destined to doom. These difference will grow even farther, if we don't start to live with these differences it will simply increase our distance from each other as well as Allah swt.
why we Muslims still praying 5 times a day, dont fear Allah, and dont TRUST him..
Praying 5 times is more of a "tradition", "culture" as oppose to "consulting", "communicating" with Allah swt. We pray it as "fard" but don't look at what its purpose is, what it really means.
why we Muslims are hypocrites, and just trying to convince ok this is now war against Islam, so lets calm down , let the show continue..
We all blame Americans that they believe their administration, whatever they say public will accept. Same is true for us. We are perhaps waiting for OPEN declaration of war.
*why we muslims turn our face against JEHAD ( in any form ) , and proven that Muslims are hating the Term jehad. Thanks to our new generation of liberated Muslims, according to them living like a good person, doing nothing for relegion, isolating Islam from relegion is FINE, and yet call themselves Muslims.. *
Thanks to OBL.
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wake_up_dead, can you ever look at someones words a little more carefully, or is al_nasar talking about something that is way over your head?
Maybe you will the last one to wake up and that might be too late.
Remeber that .
Re: wierd poeple!
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Muslims are gettin masacred by teh crusadre invasion, and people here are talkin facing Kaba, n azaan!!!!
Wake up muslims...b4 ist too late!
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So what should we be doing except praying, protest, telling friends and coworker how wrong this war is for the Iraqi population, forwarding emails with facts of this horrified war against innocent people ???????? Beside these activities and watching TV coverage of war...we do have some moments to think about other issues such as kaaba and azaan.
BTW what you have been doing in last couple of weeks since war started ?
u r right brother its sad that we r not doing enough to stop this genocide of our brothers and sisters in iraq
Muslims are getting masacred because they have forgotten ka'aba, adhaan and jihaad.
Wierd People
This is why we Muslims are in the situation that we are in today, because we have turned away from Allah and are to pre-occupied in our own lives.
Al-Nasar if you had would you go and fight in Iraq you are saying that Muslims are getting massacred, but would you go and fight.
A lot of people will say yes I will but when it comes to crunch time every one will walk away because it is not easy given up our lives of luxury to go and fight when you no the out come will your own death or you will be captured.
The best thing any Muslim can do at this time is pray to Allah that we can over come the invaders and win, and that we Muslims become united so that this can never happen again. Also you can help by sending money to Muslim charities that will provide help in Iraq. The more money we send the more they can do.
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*Originally posted by fayax: *
wake_up_dead, can you ever look at someones words a little more carefully, or is al_nasar talking about something that is way over your head?
Maybe you will the last one to wake up and that might be too late.
Remeber that .
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chill man hadnt seen the other post!!!!!!!!!!
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Note: This is the Religion forum. Please mind your language here. Thanks**
I can answer you question if does not attract the censor.
The whole problem is that all Muslims and Islamic States are free to define and accept dogmas from a particular book.
If you compare your condition to communists, I assure you there is no difference! Communists and Communist regimes also define and accept all dogmas from a book, (Das Capitol)
- No Islamic State accepts another Islamic State as Islamic. The same is with the Communist States.
- Both Communists and Islamic States have found enemies of the people in boundaries of its own rules and have killed their own citizens.
- If someone does not agree to Islam, you very easily declare him ‘ignorant’, the same a communist does.
- After every terror attack you shout of peaceful nature of Islam, so have done the communists.
The real problem is the way you manipulate the dogmas as per your wish and the result you know very well!
asalaam alikum
ther is a time and place for everything (this is not the time to be talking about how to do wudu at juma khatub!)
anyway to the main point...islam says when a muslim is being attacked they have to fight back (hence muslims of iraq who r fighting are performing jihad) and they are allowed to use ANY weapons to repel the enemy. Next point if the people who are being attacked (muslims of iraq) can not defeat the enemy then it becomes obligation on the muslims who have the ability (eg the muslim armies) of the surrounding lands to help the muslims of Iraq and if they dont perform their duty the obligation expands outwards to the neighbouring lands.
Basically the point im trying to make is that it's obligation on the ones who have the capabilty eg the armies of Syria,Turkey,Iran,Pakistan etc to do jihad in Iraq.
And so this is the pratical work we(those of who r not in Iraq) shud be undertaking, we should raise the discussion that the muslim armies must be used to destroy the crusaders and remove them from our lands and demand them to overthrow our crimnal muslim leaders. This can easily be done as many people have relatives/cousins/friends in the armies, we should talk them by approaching them,email,fone and reminding them of their duty to safegaurd the lifes of muslims.
As for a person going Iraq to do jihad, if they want thats excellent.....but we have to bear in mind that the aim of jihad is to remove the enemy (crusaders) and hence rationally the one's with the capabilty to remove the enemies are the muslims armies. (not the normal ppl off the streets who have no knowledge military warfare).
Can't remeber the exact quran ayat or is it hadiths.
"One who has no intention of doing jihad he is not from us" ......(cant remeber all the words correctly)
"and jihad is the peak of islam" hadith
wa'salaam
al_nasr......please go to Jehad and spare us talking about "untimely" topics like kaaba and adhaan.
If we muslim specially those who were born in West do not know the fundamentals and significance of things like these then what do you expect from them? Will they be going out and fight with enemy? And as its said above by another poster that by not knowing the basics of Islam, we Muslims have reached to these times where everyone is BBQing us and eating at their dinning table.
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al_nasr......please go to Jehad and spare us talking about "untimely" topics like kaaba and adhaan.
If we muslim specially those who were born in West do not know the fundamentals and significance of things like these then what do you expect from them? Will they be going out and fight with enemy? And as its said above by another poster that by not knowing the basics of Islam, we Muslims have reached to these times where everyone is BBQing us and eating at their dinning table.
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Look bro if u want to become all defeated and want to lose all hope, then i cant do much apart from remind you, that Allah(swt) has s promised the victory to the believers! and that hadiths "that whoever says this ummah is lost they are themselves lost" and "that there will alwayz be a group from this ummah that revive the ummah".
So bro dont lose hope, the muslims of Iraq certainly hav'nt!
This war has just started two weeks ago. But persecution of muslims is going on far longer than that. Look at Palestine. Look in Kashmir. Look in Chechniya. These are all muslim areas. Muslims are killed there every day. Just because they are not on CNN 24 hours a day, doesn't mean those who loose their lives there are any less muslims.
If we go by the concept that if a war is going on against muslims, we should leave everything else, and go and fight, then we can all pretty much close down everything else. Impractical is a mild word for this theory.
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Your comparison of Islam with Communism is just ridiculous, if not hilarious.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
This war has just started two weeks ago. But persecution of muslims is going on far longer than that. Look at Palestine. Look in Kashmir. Look in Chechniya. These are all muslim areas. Muslims are killed there every day. Just because they are not on CNN 24 hours a day, doesn't mean those who loose their lives there are any less muslims.
If we go by the concept that if a war is going on against muslims, we should leave everything else, and go and fight, then we can all pretty much close down everything else. Impractical is a mild word for this theory.
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Yeah sad Faisal. from phillipines to india to russia to the us to america to africa. persecution of hindus, jews, christians, buddhists is going on for too long. Hopefully the US victory in Iraq can send a message.
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*Originally posted by anand: *
The real problem is the way you manipulate the dogmas as per your wish and the result you know very well!
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This is very true.. Anand this is the first time You have come up with the very spntanous answer..
thanks..
And i would like all muslimeens to think on this point..
regards
Muzzammil