War in Chechnya

It is important that we must not forget our brothers in chechnya, who are fighting a just holy war against russian invadors.
here is some good news from that front, mashallah
Ten soldiers killed in Chechnya
From correspondents in Vladikavkaz, Russia
April 16, 2004

TEN Russian servicemen died in rebel attacks in Chechnya in the past day, officials said today.

Five Russian troops were killed and another eight were wounded in rebel shellings of Russian military outposts across Chechnya over the past 24 hours, an official in the Kremlin-backed Chechen administration said on condition of anonymity.

Another two servicemen were shot dead and four others wounded in a clash with rebels near the village of Ersenoi in the southern Vedeno region.

Three servicemen were killed and five wounded in two other clashes yesterday in the Shatoi region, the official said.

In the southern mountains, Russian troops continued their sweep for rebels who raided the village of Iskhoi-Yurt and killed at least seven policemen earlier this week.

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9295348%255E1702,00.html

But russia is pro muslim, is it not? It was against the war on Iraq.

innal la ha wa inna alahi ra jeon
please pray for this son of the ummah to be accept as a shaheed by Allah..ameen
Ameer Abul Walid (Abdul Aziz Al-Ghamdi), the commander of Arab fighters in Chechnya, has been killed, a family member confirmed Sunday, April 18.

A brother of Ghamdi, aka Abul Walid, said the family had received news of his martyrdom Sunday morning, but did not say how the 34-year-old commander had died, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP). The Saudi website Islam Today said Ghamdi had “been hit in the back” while preparing for prayers on Friday, April 16, adding the incidents took place in one of the camps of the mujahedeen fighting the Russian occupation forces in Chechnya.

The brother, who asked not to be named, told AFP the family were receiving condolences at their home.

He said Abul Walid, who was married to a Chechen, had been in Chechnya for the past six years and had also fought then-Soviet forces in Afghanistan during the 1980s.

Abul Walid, succeeded Arab commander Khattab, also Saudi-born, after he was killed two years ago. Khattab, whose real name was Thamer bin Saleh al-Suwailem, and who fought with Arab fighters against Moscow’s troops in Chechnya, was killed in March 2002.

According to Chechen fighters, Khattab died five minutes after receiving a poisoned letter, which had been delivered by a messenger known to him.

A Chechen group later said its members killed the man blamed for the slaying of Khattab.

Republic of Chechnya has been ravaged by conflict since 1994, with just three years of relative peace after the first war between Russian forces and Chechen fighters ended in August 1996 and the second broke out in October 1999.

At least 250,000 civilians and 100,000 Russian troops are estimated to have been killed in both wars, but human rights groups have said the real numbers could be much higher.

Last October, human rights groups accused the West of ignoring blatant and state-sanctioned abuses in Russia for the sake of improving relations with President Vladimir Putin.

The U.N. Human Rights Committee slammed in a panel on November 7 the ill-treatment of detainees under interrogation, executions and torture in the republic of Chechnya.

Kavkaz Center

2004-04-19 03:36:44

WELL WELL the civilised worlds version of war on terrorism is that
we will kill innocent muslim civilians without any respect for any law or human values and you must support us in this war of terrorism
have you noticed over last couple of years words like human rights etc have not come from western capitals infact prior to 9/11 human rights was used as a tool for china bashing and other forms of pressure on countries that were not in good terms with the hypocrite so called west

The double standards are clear for muslims to see in places like chechnya but the so called civillised west and there fake moral crusade against terrorism are deaf dumb and blind when state terrorism is inflicted on muslims!

i do not know how much it is a holi war, but the west is in first run to condemn the russian attrocities in that area and time and again has called for a complete stop to war. and off course do chechens want peace?

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i do not know how much it is a holi war, but the west is in first run to condemn the russian attrocities in that area and time and again has called for a complete stop to war. and off course do chechens want peace?
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The whole world has asked for No Bombings in Iraq but do the Amerikkkans and their British poodles want peace?

Chechens want to live thier lives as human beings in their own state not as animals which russia treats them like, in Russia they have a racist attitude to chechens where they call any people from chechenya or caucaus region as the Blacks!

For many years now we have been witnessing the reports of various human rights organizations on violations of human rights in Chechnya. Annual memorandums of Human Rights Watch for the UN Human Rights Commission have already become traditional. But these memorandums probably have to be printed on toilet paper to make the UN Commission use them somehow.

But actually, the bureaucrats from the human rights organizations are not bothering too much when drawing them up. Especially when they have a hard time with terminology, it takes them a year to prepare a memorandum to admit that the violations of human rights that the Russian invaders are committing in Chechnya fall under the definition of war crimes.

But so far the reports by human rights activists about the actions of the Russian side, consisting of war crimes and having all signs of genocide, are called nothing but «violations made by federal forces».

The section called «violations by Chechen militants» is unchangeably present in such reports. Sure, you have to agree with the fact that coverage of any violations must be unbiased, whoever is behind them. The only problem is that by putting the invaders and the Chechen people, fighting for their survival, on the same level, the human rights activists have not been able to present a single real fact that would show crimes that Chechen troops could have committed against their people, – except for some unsubstantiated allegations.

The human rights activists explain the absence of such facts in a pretty unique way. In the 2002 memorandum about violations of human rights by Chechen troops contains such passage: «Chechens are very reluctant to tell about violations committed by the militants, they are apparently afraid of revenge».

Turns out that Chechens are very willing to tell about the crimes of Russian invaders, because the danger of revenge on their part is allegedly absent, and they are afraid of them less than they are afraid of the ‘militants’. But this is a lie. What’s more, it is outright blatant lie. Anyone who is somewhat familiar with the situation in Chechnya knows full well that the invaders are the ones taking revenge, and they are not doing it selectively, but they carry out mass executions of entire villages.

The human rights activists are not embarrassed of bringing up rare examples of «crimes committed by the militants». For example:

«Human Rights Watch managed to talk to a few direct witnesses of such incidents. Wahid told about the murder of his elderly father Musa in the summer of 2001; a day before the head of the local administration was killed in the village. The day before the murder Musa was highly praised by the local commandant. Other members of the family were working at the [pro-Russian] police department; they were warned that they had better leave Chechnya because they were ‘blacklisted’».

According to the logic of human rights activists, elimination of a national traitor, an agent of the invaders’ secret services, who was «highly praised by the local commandant», is a violation comparable to grave crimes against humanity that Russia is committing. If Russia has killed a quarter of Chechen population and still keeps killing – it turns out to be an illegitimate reason to eliminate the accomplices of Russian invaders, whether they would be on staff or just volunteer snitches who help foreign invaders in killing their fellow people.

All that the victims of Russian aggressors and their loved ones have to do is just address to Human Rights Watch and wait, - maybe they will be mentioned in the memorandum next year.

In another memorandum, this time for the year 2003, the section about ‘Chechen violations’ looked like it was copied from the previous one, for the year 2002.

«Chechen peaceful civilians are reluctant to tell about violations committed by the militants. Many refer to the fear of revenge from the latter if it turns out that they reported anything to a human rights organization. During the previous missions Human Rights Watch managed to get some information firsthand, but during the last trip they did not get a chance to do that».

So, that’s the thing: if they are not telling, it means they are afraid. And they more they are afraid of them than they are afraid of the Russian invaders who have killed hundreds of thousands of peaceful civilians. Human rights activists cannot name a single case of revenge or claim by the Chechen troops (Mujahideen) against anybody for addressing the human rights activists. There is one single reason why: there are just no such cases period. The references that the citizens are afraid of revenge from the ‘militants’ are a usual lie and a wish to put the Chechen Army on the same level with the Russian invaders.

The main and unchangeable accusation of violations of human rights allegedly perpetrated by Chechen Armed Forces is their opposition to the Russian troops. Chechens are depicted as the guilty because after they carry out attacks against the invaders, Russian troops attack the civilian population, which leads to casualties among innocent civilians.

There is logic in it, and the main thing is that it totally coincides with the message that the invaders have been sending to the Chechen fighters: «if you keep attacking us, we will be killing your elderly, your women and your children». This is the Russian tyranny where the human rights activists are spotting the violations of human rights committed by… Chechen Armed Forces. Among such human rights activists there are even some who constantly develop and promote this subject, such as Anna Politkovskaya, for example.

‘Good cops’ from human rights organizations are using the methods of the game of «good cop and bad cop». This is the method that they are using all around the world. Along with the aggression and occupation of certain territories, all sorts of comforters are being sent there as well. The population under an aggression is being covertly suggested the same accusations that the invaders are constantly bringing up. Thus, the complex of guilt is being imposed, the public opinion is being tested, and so is the readiness for adopting political settings of the invaders.

The main mistake that the ‘good cops’ have made is the fact that they decided to use similar methods towards the Chechens. If the Chechens were naïve and did not have a clear picture of what is going on, they could not have been able to mobilize and conduct a successful fight against the largest state in the world for the past ten years. Chechens know that the UN does not recognize Russia as a violator of human rights for the simple fact that Chechen refugees living abroad will be supposed to be recognized as victims and human conditions will be supposed to be created for them. And this does not fit into the entire program of the war against Muslims, and hence against Chechens.

Maybe some poor people may be found in Chechen refugee camps, who will believe that the ‘good guys’ from the US and from the Western states will vote in the UN in the interests of the rights that Chechens have, and that their satellites from Africa are blocking the passing of resolutions and are not letting them defend their rights. But the thing is that the residents of these refugee camps are not the ones conducting that armed fight. The fight is being conducted by those who know the true price of these memoranda, these commissions and other hypocrites who from time to time put on a mask of ‘well-wishers’ of the Chechen people.

Aset Ismailova,

Kavkaz-Center

beautiful article, defines the hypocricy of west in “condeming” the rusian atrocities.

The Kavkaz centre report has convinced me.
Repeat a lie hundred times and it looks like a truth.

Russian propaganda claims that the Chechen Resistance is some sort of a «branch of international terrorist network». Chechen Commanders are always presented as some insane fanatics and terrorists, who are thinking about nothing but blowing somebody up and dying. At the same time they keep telling about some mythical terrorists in Chechnya, who are allegedly coming to make some money on the war against Russia.

For a normal person who has elementary thinking skills all of this propaganda does not matter at all. Normal people can see that this is the other way around: Russians are the ones going to Chechnya to make money. Russians are the ones going to kill for money. Russian mercenaries are the ones who run to courts to beg for their bloody ‘combat duty’ earnings, where there are murders and crimes behind each ruble that they made.

At the same time there are other people who are going to Chechnya: they pay their own money, they sell their last property, they bribe the Russian police at the checkpoints to get into the country and join the units of Chechen Armed Forces to help the Chechen people in their just cause in the fight for freedom.

All in all, what is happening in Chechnya today is unique. This situation has no analogies in the history of the mankind. Several thousand poorly armed Mujahideen (fighters) are successfully opposing several hundred thousand aggressors armed to their teeth. Yes, several hundred thousand, because including the rear support, actually over 300 thousand troops of the North Caucasus Military Circuit are fighting against Chechnya, plus tens of thousands of ‘contracted mercenaries’ from all over Russia.

Chechen Resistance is a continuous sequence of heroic deeds. Each one of such deeds could be inscribed with golden letters into the history of any nation on Earth. And this is exactly what raises anger among those who try to malign the Chechen Resistance and its leaders. Heroism of Chechens makes Russian slavish riffraff totally mad and deeply depressed, while they are trying to muffle the feeling of their own inferiority with attacks and insults against Chechen heroes.

Imagine if you were Chechens for just a minute: you represent a small nation that constantly goes through persecutions and violence committed by a big nation that believes it has the right to claim your house and your land. What are you going to do then? Sit and watch how your brother is being taken away and wait for your turn to come? It is just what countless critics of the Chechen Resistance are offering today.

I understand, it is hard to imagine when living in relatively stable Russia without being oppressed. But what ways do the Chechens have to defend their honor and their dignity? To go serve the invaders and live in humiliation the rest of their lives? To leave the land and become refugees? Or take up arms and defend their right to live and to be free?

Chechens have made their choice, and this is the choice of real men. I’m sure that the war in the Caucasus will be continuing until the Russian invaders leave Chechnya. I am also sure that this time the Chechens will not leave their butchers unpunished, whatever armistice may be signed in the future.

Chechens are not terrorists and have never been as such. True terrorists, who have centuries-old experience in terrorist activities, are sitting in the Kremlin. Chechens are actually heroes, who are engaged in antiterrorist fight against the monster of terrorism all alone.

Kristina Bure, Russia,

Department of Correspondence,

Kavkaz-Center

2004-04-24 16:52:46

Read the book "The Oath" by a chechan doctor who tells about the crimes of both sides in the conflict. He also tells of the wahabi influence imported from arab lands that calls local chechans as non muslims becuase they practice thier own culture. Great book.

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Read the book "The Oath" by a chechan doctor who tells about the crimes of both sides in the conflict. He also tells of the wahabi influence imported from arab lands that calls local chechans as non muslims becuase they practice thier own culture. Great book.
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if that "culture" involves grave worshiping or not praying, then they really are non muslims....got it? there is no culture but islam, rest is kufr....

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if that "culture" involves grave worshiping or not praying, then they really are non muslims....got it? there is no culture but islam, rest is kufr....
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People don't want to have your version of islam forced down their throats by threat of violence. And Islam is not a culture. Got it? You have shown your ignorance through just one sentence. Even I could not do a better job of showing islamist ignorance if I tried with 20 posts.

the only one who is forcing their version of islam down every one's throat are moderate muslims who are not only changing texbooks for students in pakistan, but also are killing and imprisoning muslims just because they follow their religon. just because some one preaches islam and tries to bring islam to its roots free of the innovations, doesnt make them "ignorant". secondly, i called islam culture not because of my ignorance, but to show that pagan rituals have no room in a musilm's life in the form of culture. if any culture does not conform to islamic rules, it must be rooted out.

And culture belongs to the people. If you want to preach your version of Islam, go ahead, but that's where you don't stop. You use violence, suicide bombing as a means of change. That is the REAL problem.

The chechen people are fighting against a state army in the form of the Russian military.

If you think of that it is chechnya population 0.7 million vs Russian population over 200 million.

And the chechens are giving the Russians a good beating mashallah if only there was sincere muslim countries to help chechenya with financial and military backing this war would be over very quickly.

ak, i hope you know a little better about chechens and the conflict.

anjan

keep the communist stroke marxist lines flowing we can see straight through them ;)

ak, and what about kidnapping childern and demanding ransom money for their freedom.