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guess thats in line with obama's 2011 milestone.
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exactly. there may be some teary eyed drama to extend a little bit, leave a few hundred to train etc. Karzai should start calling around for asylum
I was based on Kandahar recently, been to Herat and Farah. Its not 2 or 3 cities. Out of the total 34 provinces a good 15 have relatively solid government structures, with functioning Directorates and PCs.
a weak govt in just 15 provinces out of 34, after 8+ years of war, killing thousands or even more, and still that govt with continuous presence and support of occupation forces, can you justify this? and call success? strange
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Abay dumbass where did i justify the killing of people and call it a success?
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Well at least Halliburton is doing well. Hail to the Chief.
Refer to http://threetrilliondollarwar.org/ for a timeline of ‘achievements’.
Abay dumbass where did i justify the killing of people and call it a success?
wow! so easily you start name calling : D and read your initial posts on first page of this thread again buddy, see what impression you are giving
Is Afghanistan better? Yes. Much better. Actually much much better. The different military groups are establishing proper democratic roots. Giving women equal opportunities and more importantly they are supporting the local Afghanistan Government.
And the Afghan people are much better off than when they were with the Taliban.
Snookums since I am based in Afghanistan these days I see first hand what they are doing, and they have done some remarkable work ensuring women representation at all levels of government and making sure corruption is tackled.
these are your first 2 posts in this thread, does this mean success or failure? or lets say is it closer to failure or success????
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A dumbass is a dumbass. Firstly do show me where I justify the killing of innocents?
Secondly when does Afghanistan being better, the Afghan people having security mean that the US operation is a success? Remember, the ISAF operations have very different criteria for their success and it doesn't include kids going to school.
As I have stated numerous times on these forums, I am not responsible for whatever crazy assumptions people make based on my posts. At no time was the notion of success mentioned.
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^ mr. read my post above, and mind your language
i guess either mods are not available right now, or you may have got some good friends there : D
enjoy killing people (at the cost of some kind of govt in few provinces and fake women representation) in afghanistan with your bosses, and call it "crazy assumptions" coool : )
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The fact that you can't answer my questions is telling of how little you know.
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Aceones - just because he says things are better than when under taleban, that does not mean he is saying it is justified to kill lots of innocents to get there.
If people feel better now in spite of all the collateral damage, image how much worst it must have been under taleban?
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CM dude, I'd get out of Kandahar and quit working for bloodsucking UN before it's too late ;) Fighting is picking up....
Aceones - just because he says things are better than when under taleban, that does not mean he is saying it is justified to kill lots of innocents to get there.
If people feel better now in spite of all the collateral damage, image how much worst it must have been under taleban?
yeah may be, "things are better than when under taleban" may be only for US. do you think under taleban innocents were bombed like US/NATO did? or under taleban poppy production was this high? or under taleban body bags of US/ NATO soldiers were shipped this fast? except those very much speculated "women rights issues", which were of course reported by western media which cannot be trusted anyways
and how much things are better or going to be better after this 8/9 year war, we will see in a couple of months, US has already started withdrawal from some areas in north.
and for whether that guy above called it success or failure, i think when we say "something is now better" or "we achieved something" we must always consider what we had to lose to have that "better" or "achievement", and in this case, we have lost nothing except thousands and thousands of civilian lives, majority of which is women and children, if we cannot (and should not) justify this lose we should not consider the so called war an achievement on any grounds whatsoever, be it a handicapped govt, a few hundred thousand dollars, or "women representation in govt"
CM: yeah professor, you know everything, i never claimed how much i know : )
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Snookums children specifically girls going to school is damn better than what they had in the Taliban that is for damn certain.
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ok good point. but i'm afraid if they can continue this after US/ NATO leaves? i wish they do, but i dont think its likely with this govt or any other govt in coming 4/5 years.
it would have been much better if your snookums were encouraged to setup an islamic education system for the girls gradually, and then evolve it into a much much better school system than they have now, i'm sure you have been to pakistan, and i'm sure you will find a lot of girls only schools and madaris here run by authentic, and trustworthy ulema-e-haq.
no doubt they went a bit off the line in afghanistan in start, but at the very core of their struggle was "islam" in some form, and dont forget that most of their leaders studied in pakistan, their teachers could bring them back to the right track. After all, they are their very own teachers who are running amazingly successful girls only schools/ madaris in Pakistan as well, why they cannot do this in afghanistan? they could do this, and they still can do this, but with this 8-9 years war and killing, we have only pushed them a little more away from doing all this
but people who are very much comfortable with west's concept of this education and their thinking of what islam is, they are not to accept this truth
Actually they have power because ISAF has supported them as some of them were part of Northern Alliance.
A solution? **** if I know. Ask me in 20 years.
Oh yeah BBC stated that NATO has started their discussions today to discuss how to withdraw. Looks like they are leaving anyway regardless of the situation.
so if it was any good, they should not have been planning to leave regardless of the situation : )
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I am interested Aceones. What are these amazingly successful taleban-leader-teacher associated girls madaris you speak of, and in which dimensions are they regarded as successful? It is a pity we do not hear much of these success stories, for they would surely be inspirational.
also I believe the girls schools in Afghanistan are actually girls schools, i.e. i would be surprised if there were boys in the girls schools.
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^ come to Pakistan and you will find many of them, and what "success" is may differ for different people
Is Afghanistan better? Yes. Much better. Actually much much better. The different military groups are establishing proper democratic roots. Giving women equal opportunities and more importantly they are supporting the local Afghanistan Government.
And the Afghan people are much better off than when they were with the Taliban.
I know you are on the ground and you have seen them more closely...
so what about the rumors saying the talibans are actually controlling 70-80% of Afghanistan and NATO and Afghan Forces are only limited to the cities...
^ come to Pakistan and you will find many of them, and what "success" is may differ for different people
but Im interested in your dimensions of success right. You said there are amazingly successful girls schools founded by taliban associated people. Name names thats all.