What is the "spell"?
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
Yeah I noticed that. His first spell was express quick but he slowed up after that. What gives?
[/QUOTE]
Well the reason he did that because he was told by Waqar not take long runup so that he can waste less time.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by teaser: *
I'd like to comment on the part "Did not bring back Shoaib when the Aussie batsman looked vulnerable" I think at that point he was more concern about the over rate, thats why he had Afridi and Younis to quickly finish the overs to catch up with time. Had he picked Saqlain it would have been all good. As we all know fast bowlers tend to waste more time then spiners, and Shoaib I think he waste more time than anyone else.
I think the main 2 reason we lost the match were
- He should have picked Saqlain and Azhar instead of Taufiq and Afridi
- He should have elected to bat after wining the toss
[/QUOTE]
Well he should have brought back Shoaib in the 20th over, I don't think there was any concern of slower over rate at that time, even if were reduced to 45 overs, we would have still knocked out Australia around 175.
I still doubt that we would have knocked Ausies for 175. If thats the case than how come that Symond was still unbeaten for 140 or something? Didn’t Shoaib and Waseem finish their spell at the end or was it Inzi trying to finish the overs ASAP? 
Ch, 'spell' refers to something similar to a set in weight training regimes - a batch if you like. Fast bowlers generally bowl 4-5 overs at a time (an over = six balls) to a batsmen.
In this case I was referring to Shoaib's first few overs which were quick but he looked done in in the next two spells for some reason.
there was a time when both the paki batting and bowling were world class....but after miandad retired it was mainly only bolwing which had some impact.
but now that both waqar and wasim are turning into medium pacers i think we can put pakistan among the ranks of Zimbabwe and New Zealand.......... not better than these countries.....and certainly nowhere near the likes of SA and Aus, although some ppl still have the delusion that it might be so.
ppl like Shoaib and Afridi are no good at all.......they just take the gamble and once in a while they take some wickets or score some runs and ppl think they're world class.......but that's just cuz of luck. they don't possess any skill at all.
i'd rather go for the accuracy and containment of McGrath or Pollock than the superfast wide balls of shoaib's.
I'd rather go for tactical batting like that of Tendulkar, Ponting, Kirsten than the non-sense slogging by afridi.
Thanks X-tremo...I guess it is baseball, when a pitcher gets tired towards the latter innings.
DO they have to bowl 4-5 overs in a row or can they do say batches of two?
Like I said earlier, it was Afridi and Razzaq who gave Symonds easy deliveries earlier on that put him in great form and Shoaib and Wasim couldn’t do anythng in the last 10 overs, Symonds should have been put in pressure when he was new to the crease and bringing Shoaib in was the best idea.
Anytime when the opppsiton collapse and you have pinch hitters like Symonds come in, you shouldn’t bring in bowlers like Afridi or Razzaq who bowl straight Halwa deliver to be hit out of the ground.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Thanks X-tremo...I guess it is baseball, when a pitcher gets tired towards the latter innings.
DO they have to bowl 4-5 overs in a row or can they do say batches of two?
[/QUOTE]
it's upto the bowler and captain to decide how many overs a bowler bowls at a time. but the total amount of overs by one player is 10 maximum
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Thanks X-tremo...I guess it is baseball, when a pitcher gets tired towards the latter innings.
DO they have to bowl 4-5 overs in a row or can they do say batches of two?
[/QUOTE]
CH,
They can usually manage 5-6 overs no problem. In any caes they are allowed only a maximum of 10 overs each in WC matches so it shouldn't be a problem, which is why I was surprised that Shoaib looked knackered so quickly. He looked like he was struggling for some reason.
Do you actually get to see any of this over there or are you just folllowing reports?
I have like a ticker thing from BBC. Ther eis a few english pubs here that might be showing it. Dunno though!
I need you..I need you to keep me updated with the intricacies. I need to wow the Desi chicks with my knowledge of something other than the Kama Sutra.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Like I said earlier, it was Afridi and Razzaq who gave Symonds easy deliveries earlier on that put him in great form and Shoaib and Wasim couldn't do anythng in the last 10 overs, Symonds should have been put in pressure when he was new to the crease and bringing Shoaib in was the best idea.
Anytime when the opppsiton collapse and you have pinch hitters like Symonds come in, you shouldn't bring in bowlers like Afridi or Razzaq who bowl straight Halwa deliver to be hit out of the ground.
[/QUOTE]
"who bowl straight Halwa delivery to be hit" if thats what Razzaq and Afridi are capable of then I wonder why Waqar picked them, why not go for Saqlain and Azhar(specially every know Azhar is very good in SA and thats the reason he has been included in the team)?
hahaha 
dedication, way to go dude
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
I have like a ticker thing from BBC. Ther eis a few english pubs here that might be showing it. Dunno though!
I need you..I need you to keep me updated with the intricacies. I need to wow the Desi chicks with my knowledge of something other than the Kama Sutra.
[/QUOTE]
Hahaha! Kama Sutra comes later, consider this foreplay...
so first it's "Come'on Putra" during cricket and then "Kama Sutra" later on?
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by teaser: *
"who bowl straight Halwa delivery to be hit" if thats what Razzaq and Afridi are capable of then I wonder why Waqar picked them, why not go for Saqlain and Azhar(specially every know Azhar is very good in SA and thats the reason he has been included in the team)?
[/QUOTE]
Azhar has a good record in RS but that was a long time back. Since then he has failed to do anything in either form of the game. His bowling usually gets hammered and he can never play spin - plus his batting overall has never been good as Razzaq.
Razzaq's problem seems to be a lack of fitness and confidence...and thats a big worry because in general he is a better player than Mahmood.
Saqlain has also been rather ordinary with the ball for qite a while and maybe thats why Waqar didnt play him but looks like he has no choice.
I think the team that we have is lacking a few much needed players - we should have had Mohammad Wasim in place of Elahi, Imran Nazir in place of Taufeq Umer, Moin Khan in for Latif, and Mushtaq Ahmed in place of Afridi.
Waqar had a bad game as captain but his team also let him down. You cant blame him alone.
Oh man, there’s been a lot of Waqar bashing! 
Its not all Waqar’s mistake ofc. The way we threw away our wickets was really surprising, because we’ve done that many a times in the past i thought they would’ve done their homework and would temper their temptations to play senseless shots. Most of the wickets we lost were due to horrendous timing. They were trying to smash the ball out of the wanderer’s, but ended up playing shots that would put any cricketer, international or amatuer, to shame! Performaces by Wasim and Rashid are noteworthy.
Anywayz its done now. Hope Waqar will watch a video of the game and learn from his mistakes. Although I remain skeptical, because if he dint learn anything in a year i dont thing he can do it overnight
Ehsan bhai, maybe we should have a poll on who is the best captain or maybe who is the worst captain in the ODIs right now...
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by teaser: *
"who bowl straight Halwa delivery to be hit" if thats what Razzaq and Afridi are capable of then I wonder why Waqar picked them, why not go for Saqlain and Azhar(specially every know Azhar is very good in SA and thats the reason he has been included in the team)?
[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to degrade any of the bowlers, I'm just saying they just didn't seem to find the right length on the particular day and it helps that both of them are preety slow, Afridi wasn't even bowling at his usual pace and so was Razzaq who usually bowls around 135 to 140 but he was constantly clocked 120s. Azhar is preety much same is Razzaq both with bat and ball.
I agree Saqlain should have played, he may not take wickets at the pace he used to but he still brings a little stability to the side, like he doesn't let his RPO go over 4.5 unlike other spinners and Ricky Ponting is particular can not play any spin, so he might have knocked Ponting out early before scoring that 50 and putting a great partnership with Symonds.
People, instead of blaming waqar, why not blame the team, it was as much the team's fult as it was waqar's fault. I mean, not every decision is taken by waqar on his own, there are two other captains on the pitch dont forget. Wasim and Latif are former captains. waqar bowled first because he knew that our openers would get the ball to move around and pick up early wickets. That is exactly what happened and his decision was good. The fact that Razzaq and Afridi let him down, so he had to turn to Younis, who also let him down (but nothing was really expected by Younis) is not his problem.
Pakistan is playing with only 2 world class batters in Inzy and Youhana. One of then needs to stay in and get 50+. If they both fail, you can't expect waqar to come in and get the runs..... at the end of the day, when South Africa were raping Pakistan just over a month back, it was waqar that took the field with a 'No Fear' attitude. Wasim bhai was relaxing in Pakistan with an 'apparent strain' and Shoaib was sent back due to an 'apparent' injury but was spotted with his bollywood friends partying.... so therefore Waqar has the guts to play for his country through the good and the bad. He does not have long in International Cricket, I say we support him and Wasim through their last World Cup.