Did anyone else see the link? The Wana operation has more to do with subduing karzai’s opponents than whatever lies Musharraf (or Busharraf as he is commonly known on the Pakistani street) spouts.
^ Where in Pakistan do u live???
I am getting tired of these new bies(actually multiple nickers~old faces)....who just come in here to type the political messages...
This site now definitely requires an ISP address besides the Avatar....
Whatever fantasies you have about me and my multiple underwear please leave them in your head. Am I not allowed to discuss politics in the Politics forum?
Can't Musharrafites defend their 'saviour'?
^hahahhhhaa, lol if only this dummy of a general knew what history was and read it, is ka bhi haal wahi ho ga, jo sab generals ka hota hai, he has even created an east pakistan like situation!
^ You cannot relate East Pakistan to this. Does Wana hold 55% of Pakistan population, who are fighting to see their elected leader to hold the highest office in the country? You just cannot compare the two events.
Besides, the operation in Wana is at its finishing stages, the hard part is over. The Pak Army has succeeded in an extended operation. Just today they killed 4 militants, and there is now a 10 day cease fire signed upon by both sides.
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....he [Musharraf] has even created an east pakistan like situation!
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So who is Mujib of Wana?
Is it Qazi or the Imran?
Naiku is gone and Shaiku (Glubadan) on the run.
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....Can't Musharrafites defend their 'saviour'?
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It is time for the MAToos to defend their Ar$$e$. Naiku is sipping Gahwa at the bottom of hell as we speak. Al-Zaya-hiri is deep down in some cave. The one-eyed savior of MAToos is riding a motorbike out West somewhere. Defend your MAToos oh wise one!
Pushtoons in Afghanistan have suffered so much at the hands of other Pushtoon. Pakistani Pushtoons would be callous to make Afghan Pushtoons suffer any more. If they don’t learn, they will severely undercut Afghan Pushtoons and Northern Alliance will secure much greater share in Afghanistan. The choice is up to Pushtoons: peace and leadership in Afghanistan, or more killing and maiming of Pushtoons all over the region.
Off course these Lucknavi Khans will be more than happy to let Pushtoons utterly destroy themselves.
antiobl,
Just because we see Musharraf as nothing more than a lapdog for bush doesn't mean we support anyone like obl or zawahiri.
Any other leader in place of Musharraf would have done the same. You tell us what other choice did we have other than being bombed like Iraq and Afghanistan.
^ I disagree... what you are saying translates into that PK did this out of fear.. there is some truth to it but it I don't think it is that simple.. I don't think PK was ever on the target list but yes PK economy and political landscape might have been adversely affected... but that is what politicians are supposed to do.. play politics.. and get the country out of the mess that it was/is in using politics... but this nation has no true political leaders, so what to do...
"You are either with us or against us", means we would be part of axis of evil, and sanctioned and all that hooplah... and for what? What great national interest would we have served by going through that hassle? Its not even something that benefits us.
See, I know where you are coming from. But call it a defeatest mentality ( I don't mind) but I am talking about the choices we had while dealing with the United States at the systemic level. I would still say we didn't have many options. India was willing to side and help US in its fight against terrorism and do you think we wanted to give India a chance to help US conduct operations inside Pakistan. Our nuclear program has always been on the target so we had to guard that as well.
Yes, we made full use of the situation and thats what a leader needs to do. That was the best time for us also to reverse our policy of bolstering such exremist outfits and elements in our society and before that frankestien turned towards us, it was important for us to take appropriate action. So we capitalised on that opportunity that came in the wake of 9/11 attacks.
Having said that, the way we sided with US in the 80's to drive Soviet Union out of Afghanistan and cashed on that opportunity, we did the same this time around. I don't see anything wrong with that for we need to watch our own national interests. However, yes extreme care should be taken so as not to aliante one's own people.
what you say is true if we bought into the axis of evil and "You are either with us or against us" ...
I don't think this nation should buy into this... capable political leaders would have found a way to minimize the damage to the relationship with the west and still not getting bullied into this mess.... changes were needed not only for US sake but even for PK's sake as well but there are other ways, this nation should be able to define its own vision and choose its own path with its own free will...
note: to avoid confusion.. this was a response to Faisal's post :)
okey, suppose we weren't bullied into helping US in its fight against terrorism but there's something that you are missing here. Most of the states in the world from Nepal to Spain, from Phillipines to Saudia Arabia are helping US in one way or another. Even if we had not been given this so called title of most allied ally , even then we would have carried on this cleap up drive in our country. Every one is doing that and massive operations are going on in every country. Pakistan is no exception. What has irked people is the idea that we are doing it because of US or because we are its allies. Well who isn't ?
Agar allies naheen bhi hotay tabbhi we would have been forced into all this. Infact we would have done it on our own.
p.s: too late, I had already replied when I saw the note. Koi baaaat nahen.
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I don't think this nation should buy into this... capable political leaders would have found a way to minimize the damage to the relationship with the west and still not getting bullied into this mess.... changes were needed not only for US sake but even for PK's sake as well but there are other ways, this nation should be able to define its own vision and choose its own path with its own free will...
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I agree to all of this. From a theoretical stand-point, we first need to consider what are our own national interests. We had a similar situation in 1998 when we were contemplating nuclear tests. The world didn't want us to test, but our national interests demanded that we do that, and we did. We faced sanctions and all... but arguably there was a greater national interest to bear all that. It makes it all worthwhile.
Fast forward to 2001, when we faced a similar situation. I fail to see what would be our national interests in being defiant and say 'we want no part of this'. In fact, a credible argument may be laid out that terrorists who were planning to attack US, are as likely (and more likely) to attack within Pakistan, and hence its in our greater national interests to root out such elements from Pakistan, and aid those who are eliminating them from surrounding countries.