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seen what? the Qadiani horns on his head?
Birth certificate of his father, with religion as Qadyani.
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Whatever you call it back home. Cant think of the word. :halo:
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Also same guy whos hero is kafir zionist Kamal Attaturk.
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Birth certificate of his father, with religion as Qadyani.
A lie (and the liar) has no legs.
I have never seen a birth certificate but I assume you mean Bay-Form.
Unless his father was born after 1970s, which will make Mushraff a toddler, the birth certificates of all Qadiyanis had religion as Muslim. Its only after Hazrat Maulana Al-Haj Bhutto Sahib changed the constitution of Pakistan that Qadiyani were considered Non-Muslims on official paper work.
Though I do wish Mushraff was a Qadiyani or had some Qadiyani blood in him. He would have been a much better person, a better general and probably would have made Pakistan a better place.
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basically his father was a Qadiani, he likes a Kaffir Zionist and in general you think hes not a good guy.
but i didnt think Islam was a hereditary religion, or one invalidated by liking Ataturk?
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^^
I was told by a trust-wrothy source, and I didnt ask him much when was this certificate made.
But its very possible.
Few years back when Maulana Saleem Ullah Khan and others met Musharraf, they said he came in and didnt even shake hands with us. He reminded us of Firoon. Was really rude.
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basically his father was a Qadiani, he likes a Kaffir Zionist and in general you think hes not a good guy.
but i didnt think Islam was a hereditary religion?
If his father was Qadyani, then there is possibility he can himself be one. (Most of the times we are on the religion of our Parents) . Or atleast he has alot of sympathy for them and listens to them.
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^ your trust worthy source is complete untrustworthy now. if he has seen it himself then hes a liar. as AJ says, and you can trust him on this, the differentiation between Qadianies and Muslims did not start until the 70s.
which makes your credible source a liar.
you cannot make a claim that someone is not a Muslim based on hearsay that is now patently debunked. You know about the hadith regarding saying someone is Kafir right?
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A lie (and the liar) has no legs.
I have never seen a birth certificate but I assume you mean Bay-Form.
Unless his father was born after 1970s, which will make Mushraff a toddler, the birth certificates of all Qadiyanis had religion as Muslim. Its only after Hazrat Maulana Al-Haj Bhutto Sahib changed the constitution of Pakistan that Qadiyani were considered Non-Muslims on official paper work.
Though I do wish Mushraff was a Qadiyani or had some Qadiyani blood in him. He would have been a much better person, a better general and probably would have made Pakistan a better place.
Lies are the the most used and potent weapon of choice of the mulla brigade. Khanbabax also love to lie.
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^ your trust worthy source is complete untrustworthy now. if he has seen it himself then hes a liar. as AJ says, and you can trust him on this, the differentiation between Qadianies and Muslims did not start until the 70s.
which makes your credible source a liar.
you cannot make a claim that someone is not a Muslim based on hearsay that is now patently debunked. You know about the hadith regarding saying someone is Kafir right?
And what if the certificate was made after 1970? What if he made a new one after 1970 after they were declared kafir.
My source is trust-worthy.
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you are clinging to straws. the tendency of most people would be to avoid having new ones made, since Ahmadies were very unhappy at the official differentiation between Muslims and Ahmadies.
according to your hypothesis, Musharraf’s father, who presumably was born around the 1920s, either waited until 1970 to get his birth certificate presumably living without any passports, ID cards, ration cards, domiciles (which require form B) OR decided he wanted to be called Kafir after Bhutto changed the rule, because we know that is the motivation of a lot of ahmadies. all this time he had the foresight to make sure Musharraf’s own birth certificate and everything else said Muslim not Qadiani because one day he’d become President and loge batain kartai hain :-/
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ravage say punga..
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And what if the certificate was made after 1970? What if he made a new one after 1970 after they were declared kafir.
My source is trust-worthy.
Not only is your source not trustworthy, neither are you it seems. What does being or not being Qadyani have to do with the mullah/terrorist threat Pakistan faces?
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This is not hidden that Musharrafs father was Qadyani. That reminds me of a brother, who also told me that Musharraf father was a Qadyani. This brother used to work in the Social Secuirty Office in Rawalpindi, and he has seen it with his own eyes.
So?
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If his father was Qadyani, then there is possibility he can himself be one. (Most of the times we are on the religion of our Parents) . Or atleast he has alot of sympathy for them and listens to them.
There are fewer Ahmadis in Pakistan then there are Christians... And most of them stay out of the public eye just to avoid people like you trying to kill them... And if Musharaf has sympoathy for them, why should that be a problem for you? They are PAKISTANIS, and however you look at it, their basic rights are not looked after. They are worse of then all the rest of the minorities.
Your ridiculous!
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LOL… Khan baba box see’s 3 million unseen Ahmadis as a bigger problem then 5000 stick and kalashnikov wielding fanatics, who have attacked and murdered security forces, and thousands of Taliban and their supporters who just the other day ambushed and killed about 14 people including 3 chinese nationals…
Not to mention the 20 000 would be jihadists who just thhe other day called for a start of Jihad!
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very sad day ...hopefully the arrested students will be released and only those guilty of murder be punished .....the ulema should have done more to evert this crisis...govt's approach was too harsh they would only had been justified to use force if they can prove that they are a govt acting accordence with islamic principles
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very sad day ...hopefully the arrested students will be released and only those guilty of murder be punished .....the ulema should have done more to evert this crisis...govt's approach was too harsh they would only had been justified to use force if they can prove that they are a govt acting accordence with islamic principles
There are also those who have links to banned militant groups... Its gonna take a while before the clear everyone.
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To paraphrase the old cliche, trurth was the first casualty in all of this. Between the illegitimate government's actions and the neo-Kharjite scum (and it is unclear exactly how many of the students were such)...this was a no-win situation.