Wake up and smell the failure

Pakistan, a borrowed economy; heading to economic failure? Does this article reflect self realization?

Be it Barack Obama’s recognition of India being a world power or his graceful better half dancing her way into Indian hearts, it has been a tough week in newsrooms, at least for Pakistan.

The message was clear and it will resonate with Pakistanis for years to come as the US and India draw out plans for an ‘Amer-asian hegemony’.

Talk about a wake-up call for politicians, bureaucrats and all alike. After our own strategic talks with the US, a few weeks ago, ended in the usual pat and push for fighting the war on terror, the symbolism of the visit to India is bigger than the expansive trade deals and kind words of Barack Obama. The US president declared India a world power, and the India-US alliance “one of the defining partnerships of the 21st century”.

On the other hand, Pakistan was snubbed when we were told to do more in the war against militancy during his visit. To make it all the worse, as if Pakistanis weren’t already neglected enough, Obama went further than any US president before by backing India’s pursuit for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. So much for the Kashmir dispute.

It begs the question why Obama didn’t stop by for a day, or even a few hours, to say hello to his allies in Islamabad who have been fighting their war, suffering the casualties, and not to mention recovering from the worst flood the country has ever seen.

The answer is simple. Money is time and time is money, and Pakistan and Pakistanis haven’t understood the value of either yet.

Our very existence has become India-centric; to be more precise we have spent more than half of a century in a military race against India. We discarded the precious gift every newly independent state is given of starting from scratch.

While we have officially become ‘a client state with the Taliban and al Qaeda presence plotting to kill US soldiers and fanning the war in Afghanistan’, India found a much more sustainable form of development and growth by India and for India. They have always been in the race for the long haul and instead of giving power to the military industrial complex or the landowning minority; they borrowed from western thought and civilisations and gave power to the people.

My father’s favourite mantra is that “there are no shortcuts in life”. I can’t help but think how true those words lie in respect to Pakistan. Our sole export seems to have become terror and while we beg for aid to cope with globalisation, the world recession, and not to mention the floods, India unveils deals worth $10 billion designed to create 50,000 American jobs in an ailing economy. That’s right; India is creating jobs in the US.

They sought to be the largest democracy in the world and they achieved it, and we sought to be the most dangerous country of the world and we certainly achieved it.
And Pakistanis ask where do we go from here?

For many in our ruling class, the answer is simple even if they don’t voice their thoughts — take shortcuts and survive another day till we reach a dead end.

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For many in our ruling class, the answer is simple even if they don’t voice their thoughts — take shortcuts and survive another day till we reach a dead end.

Thats All the truth around… might be some noses try to feel smell caused by Jews/Mosad/Raw/CIA..BW etc etc as usual ,for all happening around:chupki:

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This is not about india or pakistan, Look america has always plotted to contain China, it will never allow a super power to threaten the US giant.

Even the veitnam war was because they wanted to contain communist/ china threat.

It so obvious just look at world map and american bases and sphere of influence america has korea, taiwan, japan on one side keeping china in check.

And it has india on other side to keep china in check.

this is not about pakistan this all about containing china keep it busy in its own area never allow it outside this region.

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I think that biggest fix we need to make is to stop competing with India. its not that India is better this way or Pakistan is worst that way, but its because its not going to help us in anyway. We need to focus on what is wrong with our nation in absolute terms and see how we can improve the situation.

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IMO, it's not that the Pakistani elite doesn't understand how to stabilise the situation in the Land of Pure; They are simply helpless. What's going on in Pakistan(daily suicide bombing's) today is what in military terms called the "Spillover Effect." We have a war going on very next door and for people to think that it's not going to have any impact on us is nothing but living in the la-la land. As far as the economy is concerned, it's a simple fact that no investor is going to invest their money in a volatile country. So, my question is, what do we do from here? Well, we dont have too many options on that front. a) We can try to deal with the situation as best as we can and wait for the Americans/ISAF to leave Afghanistan sometime in near future and hope/pray that foreign terrorists will simply leave us alone then and in the process TTP will also loose steam and by itself peter out. b) Take the war to terrorists and send the forces to N. Waziristan; Problem with that approach is that the entire country would face a huge backlash from the terrorists in the form public suicide bombings. The dilemma's Pakistan faces...

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Ah! the typical Indian mentality, dig out neg. news about Pak from every Tom Dick and harry. If I was to post something similar about India then immediately the credibility of the source is in question... Oh well enjoy Indian if it serves your ego but just to let you know we have some nice juicy reports on living conditions of both countries from independent sources e.g. Golbal Hunger Index, World Food Program etc and lot more.... hell, I can even throw in civil wars and insurgencies too, may be you can dig out yourself and spare us the agony and let us worry about our hell and you about your paradise.. :D Hows that for starters?

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To my India friends, Let me ask you this,

We at GUPSHUP forums almost all Guppies one way or the other are Very Busy Criticizingly comment on our (Pakistan’s) current situation and what is needed and what is being done in reality.
Than we have Natural Catastrophes and its spin-offs. Momentarily our eyes are off the radar in Afghanistan where India is digging-in. I’m sure when Karzai goes India will go too.

Point is, Why our Progressive Indian Friends are so obsessed with Pakistan’s internal affairs?
If its the regional balance of Power you’r worried about than rest assured,Americans or Indians will never be able to “contain” China which is your worst paranoia I believe, Hence America needs a stronger Pakistan to bridge this highway to china , which also happens to be Pakistan’s only and truly time-tested FRIEND and an ally, its no secret !!

Pakistanis are quite good at dealing with our other ally ‘America’ , So now its America’s turn to prove their worthiness to Pakistan and not vis versa
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Raindance makes some good point - unfortunately from the limited exposure I've had to the discussions here, they are not truthful.

For example:

1) there is a steady stream of anti-India rhetoric bordering on insults
2) for every 2 members that focus on constructive criticism of Pakistan, there are at least 3 that push to blame India for everything
3) India is worried in equal measure survival and well being, being poor

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I'm very worried now ! beside my good Indian friends I also prefer to have 'Good mentally stable Indian friends! no pun intended,,,,
I mean, look at your replies in 'Bold' ,,, You'r saying some thing factual and than contradicting your self by basing your argument on your "limited exposure" ,,, (Actually you should have shun away from the topic under those circumstances,,, I know I would!"

Why would India worry about Pakistan now? Isn't Pakistan a nuclear state because of India?
Why China is a threat to India ? What have they done to India in the past 2 decades ?
Why India mixing up "Insurgents"from Pakistani Borders into India for terrorist activities for "Kashmere Cause" or "Alqaida backed talibans" Freedom Fighters or Terrorists ??? Jehadis or Fun seekers ????

Hence the point here One Billionth time again ,, Resolve Border issues between the two nations including Kashmer which affects the lives and generations of perished Kashmeries! which also makes it a humanitarian issues,,

When your computer and my computer shows loss of files or errors ,,, Spontaneously we resort to "Default Settings for file restorers" ,,,, Why can we not use this "default settings" for India & Pakistan which will
RESTORE ORIGINAL BORDERS !! Who is showing ignorance and unnecessary Regional power race for supremacy ?????

Without any pun intended,,I think you not only have "Limited exposure" on GUPSHUP Forums but also you have very limited exposure to any thing, Period!

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Every thing between India and Pakistan boils down to one thing: **Kashmir. **Don't you people realize that there is nothing to be done about Kashmir now? Just keep the borders as they are and move on.

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Sensational journalism... which economy is not 'borrowed' economy? In fact Pakistan has borrowed less compared to GDP.

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In fact yes, but it also has one of the smallest tax-GDP ration in the world (I0.2), plus it has a massive internal debt (almost as much as the external debt). Finally, Pakistan's balance of payments is such that it can never hope to have enough dollars to pay back the loans, thus borrowing more just to clear up past debts.

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I agree you should be very worried but for a very different reason - your tendency to jump to conclusions and the try to twist data to support those erroneous conclusions. In most circles this would be called wanton lying or more politely, disingenuous but in your case it might be mere stubbornness to shy away from inconvenient truth.

any child knows India worries about Pakistan because of Pakistan's history of training terrorists under the name of 'mujahideen' and sneaking them into India to attack innocent civilians. Your government has admitted this, so don't try to obfuscate.

Indians worry about China because the Chinese support Pakistan as a means of posing an irritant to India; there are also Chinese claims of some Indian territory, so yeah that's something to worry and be vigilant about.

If by 'border issue' you mean settling with Pakistan on their claims about Kashmir - that is a non-starter. The way you resolve it is to get all Pakistani presence out of POK and stop all cross-border sneak attacks into Kashmir.

Original borders? how original do you want to get? if you get original there will be no international border because there was no Pakistan! I think Indians had at one point offered to allow the LOC to become the border but your guys got greedy and didn't accept.

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Another example of obsession with Pakistan by Indians.

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^ Some one please remind me to ‘Laugh’ or ‘cry’ on this ^ if they understand what the heck this guy is purring about

Hence, I REST MY CASE !

Go India GO ! :jhanda: (sorry there is no Indian Jhanda on GupShup)

I would be ‘Very Relieved’ to know that most Indians ‘Think’ your thinking ^ :d:k:

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ok my indian friends, looks like a pleasant thought??? let US (and India, both) dream on for a while, soon the honeymoon period will be over. This dancing in india on indian tunes and "recognition of india as a world power" will not help contain chaina, neither it will help US get a safe exit from afghanistan, nor earn india any good will in kashmir, and among its rebellious villagers in more than 30% of its territory

Pakistan is the key to all the above.

sooner or later US is going to throw a coin for india to pick up and a kick on behind will follow

Pakistan has survived and it will, with or without a "borrowed economy" INSHA ALLAH, dance all you can, Pakistan will be alive and kicking

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^ :jhanda: ^ :jhanda:

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will india reciprocate such a move? or do you like the dispute as it is? because there are plenty of people who have similar views about indian army presence in IOC that you have about pakistani kashmir. if we were to go by your standards, the dispute never gets resolved.