WAHABISM EXPOSED

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Ace :** Amr = allow
Munkir = disallow/deny
Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil munkir = Allow the good and disallow the evil.

Could anyone confirm this? My knowledge of Arabic is very limited.

**Aapkiamaanat: **Shukran, and yeah it's right
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I must say you are a little bit mistaken.

Amr= Order = Hukm do
Munkir = Mana karo

Not just allow the good but order the good. There is a difference in the degree of intensity. Allow means that people can do good if they want; order means they must be told to do good!!

Faraz Mir: Yeh tum nain her thread ko ganda kernay ka theyka liya howa hai?? People dont listen to him at all; ignore him. He is in a state of:
"Summun bukmun umyun fahum la yarji'oon"

And now he can understand nothing, so dont waste ur precious time on such a thing!! Invest it on someone else!!


**Rooh kee gehraai say niklee howee baat
Rooh kee gehraai tak zaroor jaai gee!!

Happy Souls Make A Community Happy!**

Faraz Mir or (Pir)

Please cut the crap and answer my question!

At least this way you've got an opportunity to rekindle your reputation (what's left of that is).

By the way, can you also please tell me what School of Thought did Sheikh Abdul Qadar Jilani follow. As I'm sure you are a great Murshid of Pirs and believe in Mysticism etc.

Once again, we await!!!

Do you then disgaree with me that Wahabism teaches that Sufis are kafirs?

** WHERE? Where is your proof, your evidence, your logic?
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Do you disagree that Wahabism teaches it is the only to get too jannat and everyone else is wrong?

*WHERE? Where does it teach that it is going to jannah? I believe, that anyone who follows path of Prophet Mohammad(sunnah) and QURAN will go to jannah... *

Do you disagree with me that Wahabism promotes a rigid belief without the fundamental notion of mystiscism that exists in real Islam?

Please tell us what does "real" islam say about mystiscism?

This ALONE is the source of the probelm. This is from where the neo-Wahabi Mullahs base theri hateful teachigs from. One you change the fundamentlas of Islam to become intolerant, you will have to deal with all this in-fighting where one sect is going after another sect and every else is ak afir.

Washibism is the root source of all this terrorism and hatred. Prophet Muhammed or any other fiqh or sect never taught us to hate other Muslims, now did he?

And you are not cause of hate and discomfort among Muslims? YOu are here, telling lies and disinformation about people you have no knowledge about but only statements which you learn from zionist media.

"you disagree with me..." those statements of yours confirm that you are only here to win arguments with whatever it takes, lies, distorted, false, disinformation and get other people to "agree" with you rather than tell them the truth and listen to the FACTS and truth that they are telling you. Don't you get tired of telling lies like hitler over and over again? Don't you have anything else to do other than spreading hate, nonsense lies, and discomfort among muslims? A moment of shame for you and your ZERO credibility as far as telling the truth and facts are concered. You are a true hypocrite, who never was accustomed to facts and truthful information.

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And I too do not have enough time to deal with ignorance.
http://www.sunnah.org/publication/fajr/fajr.htm

Sufism/Mystisicm is essential part of Islam, unlike what Wahabism teaches.

Sufism is present in almost every form of Islam except Wahabism. Elements of Sufism are followed by almost every Muslims. Sufism have had tremendous impact on Islam as we know it today. To deny that is to deny your own history. Sufism is not against the Sunnah or the Quran. That is your imagination. Yes, I know that knealing in front of a grave is wrong, but praying fateha or going to a shrine is NOT wrong.

Millions of Pakistanis are not kafir, despite what Wahabis claim. Sufism has a huge impact on the lives of Muslims, and no Wahabi is going to change that anytime soon.

http://www.sunnah.org/publication/salafi/tosos.htm

http://www.sunnah.org/events/hamza/hamza.htm

OOOh..so you are A BRAILVI(“ehle sunnah”) hahahah!!!

No one said millions of pakistanis are kafir(don’t make UP LIES to discredit others), I didn’t nor did “wahabis.” Its gonna take some time to read the link you provided.

Faraz

Sufism is often, willfully or otherwise, referred to by Sufis themselves, or by orientalists, say "Islamic mysticism", in order to give the impression that Islam is either wholly or partly an esoteric religion, with a set of dogmatic rituals to be understood by the elite alone-in this clase, the Sufis!

Sufism presumes a fundamental link between the shaikh, head of the Sufi tareeqah (order), and the murid (novice), extending throughout their lifetime and continuing after their death. The murid takes an 'ahd (oath) of loyalty and swears obedience to the shaikh, who in turn promises to solve the murid's problems and deliver him from every dilema whenever he calls on his shaikh for help.

Greek philosophy, and in particular the teachings of Neo-Platonists, have left an indelible mark on many aspects of Sufism. This came about as a result of the translation of Greek philosophical works into Arabic during the third Islamic century. Greek pantheism became an integral part of Sufi doctrine.

Manicheanism is also one of the mainstreams of Sufism. N. Fatemi observed:"It is interesting how near to Manichean ideas the Sufis are, remembering that both Manicheanism and Sufism were nurtured in Persia.

Vedanta, the chief Hindu philosophy, which is an example of pantheism in its metaphysical strictness, also had a great impact on Sufism following the conquest of Sindh by Muhammad b. Qasim in the second century A.H.

Sufi occultism, with its host of philosophical and theosophical doctrines, is beyond doubt antithetical to Islam. Islam proclaims that the matchless entity and essence of Allah is totally different from that of His slaves, i.e., man. Sufis, on the contrary, subscribe to the belief that matter, man and God form in effect one single entity and essence.

Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee said:

"If a person excercized Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he does not come to Dhuhur except an idiot." [Talbees Iblees].

Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbaal (R) said:

"Warn (people) from Al-Harith (a Sufi leader) the strongest warning!... He is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees Iblis].

The famous Sheikh Abu Bakr Al-Jaza'iri stated:

"Sufism is a shameful deception which begins with Dhikr and ends with Kufr. Its outward manifestation appears to be piety, but its inward reality forsakes the Commandments of Allah." [Illat-Tasawwuf Yaa Ibadallah].

What does it mean when a Muslim does not read or write? It means he does not learn, and if he does not, how, then, can he worship Allah in the manner that would qualify him to become His constant servant and His favourite?

Sufi assertion actually means that the murid is to be kept ignorant and "pure" enough to occupy himself with dthikr or wird, so that he may join the ranks of those who receive "direct revelation from God," i.e. esoteric knowledge.

Faceup:
Guess what the wahabis call the hanafis?
They call 'em "DOGS".

The first edict that abdul wahab came out with was to declare that all muslims are polytheists and idolators calling the ahle sunnah wal jammat - enemy of islam which must be destroyed.

Do I hear - Show me proof.
Actually most of the documents on the net have been shut down by the money doling saudis. What I am citing are from the writings of abdul wahab which doesn't appear to be on the bet anymore. What Faraz cited from sunnah.org is good.

*Where do the call them Dogs? You are again along with our brother faraz creating lies just to defame and discredit others who thinks of Islam in strictly SUNNAH AND QURAN terms rather than, my saint, my sunnah and my quran terms. You people are so intolerant that you can't accept anyone criticising you with facts. Isn't it shame for you that you lack any truth and credibility in your false and ridiculous claims? *

Sunnah.org is good because it supports your ill based argument filled with lies and disinformation, right. Go read Abdul wahab's books, there is nothing intolerant, hateful or against sunnah and quran in them. Stop creating lies to discredit other people who ask you to come to SUNNAH and QURAN, rather than your saints sunnah and than quran. Grow up for a change!

Serial,
So, you even reject that the wahabis call the sunnis - polytheists & idolators. Did you read the excerpt from the link that i quoted in my previous post?

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. Stop creating lies to discredit other people who ask you to come to SUNNAH and QURAN, rather than your saints sunnah and than quran. Grow up for a change
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What lies?
The mischief of the wahabis are documented in all troubled parts of the world. Maybe, you think all the Central Asian republics are lying about the destablizing factor the wahabis have been in the region. How about the Balkans states of kosovo, Bosnia - where they tried to finance the spread of their wahabi cult- again by freely doling out the petro-dollars.

What about the al-Qaeda? Most are saudi wahabis and financed by Saudis.
What do I hear? This is western propaganda and you call al-Qaeda - Heroes of islam.

How about the wahabi fitna in B-Desh, Phillipines, Indonesia? Go ask any local and they will tell who is behind the fitna!

Re: your GLORIFICATION about the Sahih Hadeeths; pls note:
There is NOTHING in the Sunnah or Sahih Hadeeths except INNOVATION & Fabrication.

Recall al-Ghazali - the hujjat ul Islam, he was critical of the sufis but in the end CONVERTED to sufism. The baralvi & deobandi, for example, are sufis as per al-Ghazali's teachings.

If the Saudis were not the largest oil supplier to the US, Europe & Japan - the Wahabis & their creed would have been destroyed by now.

Faceup you sound so much like a Shia ..

Khoon…he sounds more like two faced ismaeli/qadiyaani/hindu.

These two derailed indviduals have already made up their mind about creating lies, creating rifts and hate among muslims so they hate each other, we shouldn’t confuse them with facts.

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Allah has locked their dark hearts from any guidance and realization of TRUTH(which is in SUNNAH and QURAN), not in doctrines of their dead saints. We are only wasting our time on these heretic, lie-mongers.

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Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
*Faceup you sound so much like a Shia .. *
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Call me ANYTHING but a wahabi.

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** Call me ANYTHING but a wahabi. **
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Yeah, you would even team up with DEVIL against "wahabis," who call you towards SUNNAH and Quran. And DEVIL calls you toward telling lies, disinformation, spreading hate among people(muslims) and praying towards dead "saints," yeah thats a good way. Keep away from "wahabism." Thank God.

Wahabism do NOT follow the Quran and the Sunnah. It is a myth that only they follow the Quran and the Sunnah and everyone else is a kafir.
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Sunni_Path/suwahhab.htm

The Messenger of Allah(saws) said: 'You shall not enter paradise until you believe, and you shall not believe until you love one another. Shall i not inform you of something, if you were to act upon it, you will indeed achieve mutual love for one another? Spread the greeting amongst yourselves'

Brothers this is getting us NO WHERE, so just drop it. You aren't helping one another, just making things worse.

Invite (mankind, O Muhammad SAW) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islâm) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'ân) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided. (An-Nahl 16:125)