WAHABISM EXPOSED


i agree sis, but there's no point arguing and bashing each other on GS. Why don't we just keep posting whatever we have to and ignore all the rude comments and just pray for'em... there's absolutely no point in fighting over the differences b/w shias, sunnis, ahmedis b/c no one's willing to listen in the first place. I didn't mean to completely ignore other sects, but why not keep making duaa for everyone and keep posting our stuff and leave the rest on Allah (SWT) . I'm basically against all the sect related threads and fights...

I do not remmber exactly, but you or some person other posted a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) some months ago, which started with an example of a boat which has two levels and there are people on each level. Now, if people on last level start making a hole in the bottom of the boat the boat will sink along with the people living on the first level who did nothing to damage the boat. Therefore, it is vital for the people living on the first level to prevent the people living on the last floor from making a hole in the bottom of the boat. If they do not react proactivley... they will die along with the last level people.

So, this hadith provides the basis for Amar Bil Ma'aroof Wa Nahi Anil Munkar. Without this our Religion is not complete. You have to stop those who are making holes in our Religion boat. If not then you would as well be punished.

Forgive for not quoting the exact words of the Hadith... I'm not sure which pos it was. May Allah forgive me if I made any mistake whilst narrating.


You see, one thing is, I can live with doubt and uncertainty and
not knowing. I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing
than to have answers which might be wrong.
I don't feel frightened not knowing things, by being lost in a
mysterious universe without any purpose, which is the way it really is as far as I can tell. It doesn't frighten me.


i agree sis, but there's no point arguing and bashing each other on GS. Why don't we just keep posting whatever we have to and ignore all the rude comments and just pray for'em... there's absolutely no point in fighting over the differences b/w shias, sunnis, ahmedis b/c no one's willing to listen in the first place. I didn't mean to completely ignore other sects, but why not keep making duaa for everyone and keep posting our stuff and leave the rest on Allah (SWT) . I'm basically against all the sect related threads and fights...

I do not remmber exactly, but you or some person other posted a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) some months ago, which started with an example of a boat which has two levels and there are people on each level. Now, if people on last level start making a hole in the bottom of the boat the boat will sink along with the people living on the first level who did nothing to damage the boat. Therefore, it is vital for the people living on the first level to prevent the people living on the last floor from making a hole in the bottom of the boat. If they do not react proactivley... they will die along with the last level people.

So, this hadith provides the basis for Amar Bil Ma'aroof Wa Nahi Anil Munkar. Without this our Religion is not complete. You have to stop those who are making holes in our Religion boat. If not then you would as well be punished.

Forgive for not quoting the exact words of the Hadith... I'm not sure which pos it was. May Allah forgive me if I made any mistake whilst narrating.


You see, one thing is, I can live with doubt and uncertainty and
not knowing. I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing
than to have answers which might be wrong.
I don't feel frightened not knowing things, by being lost in a
mysterious universe without any purpose, which is the way it really is as far as I can tell. It doesn't frighten me.

Very interesting discussion. My two cents:

We do have a responsibility to 'cure the ummah of its diseases'(as one member states), but that does not mean that we should regard ourselves any better than them. Islam is a forever learning (and them implementing in your life) process- We can never regard ourselves as perfect muslims because if we do so- it would go to say that we're proud (or we're doing 'gharoor' which is extremely disliked by Allah (SWT)).

Its not so much as 'curing the ummah'- as it is about 'learning' more about your religion Islam and 'spreading' what you know to others. There is a vast difference between spreading knowledge and condemning others (so as to protect the Ummah). If we continue to 'divide' the ummah into sects- it only goes to say that we think we're perfect and the other is NOT.

Keep in mind- the other thinks he is JUST as right as you are- and if you keep insisting your beliefs it'll lead to nowhere. Learn to compromise- without compromising your faith- and learn to learn, accept and tolerate. Our Ummah can get rid of all its troubles and rise again, Insha'llah.

And Allah knows best.

-Ace

Ace: Well said!

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Thanks- One thing I forgot to add- Yes its our duty to rid the ummah of its evils but not in a way that creates sects- NEVER! I'll look up the ayah- the rough translation of which is: 'There is great azab for anyone who creates fasad, division, sects within the ummah'

Lets take this one ayah- and learn to compromise rather than divide. How much clearer can this ayah get?

Here is the Ayats:

030.031 Turn ye back in repentance to Him, and fear Him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join gods with Allah,-

030.032 Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!

006.159: As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

023.052 And verily this Brotherhood of yours is a single Brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore fear Me (and no other).

023.053 But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself.

023.054 But leave them in their confused ignorance for a time.

I hope the above help.

The ayah quoted ask us not to divide ourselves into sects. But if someone is practicing bidatee or shirkee acts, it is our duty to do amar bil maaroof nahee anil munkar.

A brother has listed some acts being practiced very commonly these days. You try to tell them that the acts are bidats and you immediately get branded as a wahabi.

Those of you who know that the acts are wrong, do you prefer to stay silent and watch? I can't as I have a responsibility.


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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AoA, well if someone's practicing 'shirk' or 'bi'dah' then it is our responsibility to let them know, but we cannot force it on anyone. This is where i believe the duaa comes in handy.

And I'm sure there is a right way of doing it- aside from assuming that you're all righteous and the other is ignoramus!

Be knowledgable- speak kindly- and help the other understand your way. Its your duty to spread the message, not force it. There is a difference. And yes you have a responsiblity but at the end of the wire- the other will be responsible for their religion and you for yours.

Frankly, this approach of 'I know I'm right- and I know you're wrong- and I'll stop you from doing wrong' is a whole load of bull.

I personally don’t think anyone of us knows if we’re on the right path or not… only Allah (SWT) knows that. Best is to let the other one know what you believe in… read theirs and then make duaa… rather why not make duaa for everyone including ourselves

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Let’s look at the ** transliteration ** (i.e. Arabic pronunciation) of this verse:

** 30:32** - 32. * Mina allatheena farraqoo deenahum wakanoo **SHIYA’**an kullu hizbin bima ladayhim farihoona *

Check the ** Arabic script ** yourself - Chapter 30 (Surah Ar-Room), Verse no. 32 (30:32)

**Translation: ** Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islâmic Monotheism), and became ** sects **, *, each sect rejoicing in that which is with it

**(Emphasis are mine) **

The Holy Qur’an actually uses the ** word “Shiya’**an” to indicate that it is wrong to form **Sect!!! **(Shi’ah means sect in Arabic)

Subhan-Allah !!! The Qur’an is the Pure Word of Allah. Nothing beats it

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)) Allah u Akbar.


In Praise of the Holy Prophet (S):

Baad az Khuda buzurg
Tu (S) hi qissa mukhtasar

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Ibrahim says: salaams to all

Dear All

It is clear that there is No compulsion in religion ( ayat 2:256) ** as such Muslims will not be forcing anyone concerning Islam ** but in this net medium ( due to a lot a gray area with regards to the parties involved, their age groups etc) , information can be conveyed to others by those who are aware of them as best as they could,** it would not amount to force but it can be blunt and direct, depending on the intentions and abilities of the poster. **

Now it has become common knowledge that when one stresses strictness in religious matters, they are normally branded as fundamentalists, fanatics, terrorists, wahabbi or some other by the opposition.

Thus what this thread is trying to achieve is to discount such misconceptions with regards to the term wahabbi that is commonly used by the opposition, and should be taken in that light. We must remember each person can and will perceive any matter differently based on his/her level of understanding.

The purpose of the forum, is to allow all sides to present their views , how it may be presented will depend on the poster and as to what he/she has decided to convey whilst omitting what he/she may have felt is not necessary as it is common sense in their view.

We must also remember that not all of us can be eloquent in the English medium and others who may be eloquent in this language may not be participating in the forum too. In addition ** eloquence in speech does not necessarily mean truth or righteousness. **

So far as Muslims should be concerned it should be based on the following commandments…………..

49:6 ** O ye who believe! if a wicked person comes to you with any news ascertain the truth lest ye harm people unwittingly ** and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

7 And know that among you is Allah's Apostle: were he in many matters to follow your (wishes) ye would certainly fall into misfortune: but Allah has endeared the Faith to you and has made it beautiful in your hearts ** and He has made hateful to you unbelief, wickedness and rebellion: such indeed are those who walk in righteousness **

8 A grace and favor from Allah; and Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.

9 ** If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies then make peace between them with justice and be fair: ** for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).

10 ** The believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers: ** And fear Allah that ye may receive Mercy

Ibrahim says: I am sure all Muslims can understand what is being conveyed in the above passage,

So far as slander or malicious unfounded accusations are concerned a Muslim is duty bound to ascertain the TRUTH and then after join together with other Muslims and eradicate it

I quote again…….

** If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah**

there can be No if’s and but’s about this. , this is Islam, we have been entrusted to preserve it in this manner for future generations. So raise not doubts or put obstacles on to yourself concerning what has been revealed but argue with wisdom and beautiful preaching as much as possible.

Let us further read…………..

3: 102 ** O ye who believe! fear Allah as He should be feared** and die not except in a state of Islam.

103 ** And hold fast all together by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you) and be not divided among yourselves;** and remember with gratitude Allah's favor on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love so that by His grace ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of fire and He saved you from it. ** Thus doth Allah make his signs clear to you:** that ye may be guided.

104 ** Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong; they are the ones to attain felicity.**

105 ** Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving clear signs; for them is a dreadful penalty.**

Ibrahim says: hence it should also be obvious that those that are willfully or in ignorance and arrogance causing divisions should be exposed. Be it bluntly, directly or in the most lovable, pleasant manner, it will make little difference and such expose will not amount to force and there can be no compromise in such matters.

** Only one religion was revealed to mankind, It was named as “ Islam” as taught to us by the Prophet (pbuh) , any other labeling of this religion will amount to falsehood, just as those practicing Islam can only be called as “Muslims” and any other labeling , people have accepted or are using is due to their own misconceptions and ignorance .**

Allah (swt) knows best.

Was salaam
Ibrahim

b } Politicians try to chose sides on a round planet how silly! **

Sorry brother i'm ignorant but can you plz tell me what 'amar bil maaroof nahee anil munkar' is??

Jazak'Allaah khair

Amr = allow
Munkir = disallow/deny

Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil munkir = Allow the good and disallow the evil.

Could anyone confirm this? My knowledge of Arabic is very limited.

Assalamo ALaikum!

I did not in any way imply that it is my responsibility to force.

Also, it is not correct for anyone to think that he/she is right and the other wrong.

My clear understanding is that we must rely on Qur'an and Sunnah. If someone says something, we must ask for reference to the two texts. Anything that cannot be substantiated is absolutely not correct. If something is substantiated, it is then the resposnibility of the receiver to understand the appropriateness. If he/she agrees it must be followed.

Following text that is not from these two sources or does not refer to it will mislead.

Wassalam


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

I just want to know that if some one being a muslim doing bidth then what will be the punishment for that person in Islam.

We're on the same wavelength now FactFinder bro.

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We're on the same wavelength now **FactFinder bro.**
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Alhumdo Lillah!


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

Shukran, and yeah it’s right

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