Re: WAHABIS are NOT Ahle-Sunnah
Dude you can find these books in which ever part of the world you are in. Dubai, KSA anywhere. Don’t wait for Qfaheem to courier you cuz if u die with rong beliefs no one can help u neither sharabi nor anyother wahabi. Happy Reading.
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Its utter BS..none of the Ahle Sunnah muslims worship anyone except Allah.
Those wahabi fitnas who brand muslims of Ahle sunnah as mushirks are the biggest sinners as they have no valid arguments.
The Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama’at believes that it is permissible to call to the Awliyah Allah (radi Allahu anhum) for assistance or help as this is not associating partners with Allah Ta’ala. We believe that Allah Ta’ala has given the Awliya Allah special powers to assist the creation with His permission
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^ Proof from Quran and Hadith please.
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^ You prove it to me first through any authentic literature written by any Ahle Sunnah Aalim that Ahle Sunnah Muslims worship graves (Allah Forbid).
This thread is not meant for that. Open a new thread and I will help u make it understand inshaAllah with proofs.
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HAHAHAHAHA...What other special powers these dead Awliyas have...are they alive and have khizer's immortality????
Can they fly???
Can they bring you back from the dead???
Whats the difference between you and the pagans who attribute divine attributes/powers/characters to humans????
Therein lies the difference between Wahabis, who want to eradicate any intermediaries/go-between God and his slaves versus those grave worshipping barelwis and their cohorts, shia/ahle-sunnah et al, who want to turn islam into christianity, whereby humans possessing Divine/God's powers and any approach to God going through their Church's toll booth....
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That is just your belief. And its a higly illogical belief considering the fact that Allah is All Hearing, All Seeing, All Knowing...and will all the emphasis Islam places on Tawheed, it would seem very stupid to believe that Allah has allowed calling on to dead awliyaa for help.
Secondly there's a well known hadith of the Prophet that says, Dua is a form of Ibadaha; and we all know calling on to someone else in Ibadah is shirk.
Lastly isnt that what the Mushrikeen of Makkah used to do? They used Laat and Uzzah as intermediaries while they always believed Allah was the greater God.
or can you come up with any reference from any of the Saheeh hadith that the Sahabaas had endulged into calling on to the Prophet (sas) after his death?
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YOu want to prove it to me, you can please open the thread. Well, i let me see your proofs.
But only from Quran adn Hadith.
Not from Gospel unlike you produced it last time around.
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Proof from Quran, to support your argument. This is what the Mushriks used to say as they beleived the existence of Allaah.
010.031YUSUFALI: Say: "Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? and who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?" They will soon say, "Allah". Say, "will ye not then show piety (to Him)?"
029.063YUSUFALI: And if indeed thou ask them who it is that sends down rain from the sky, and gives life therewith to the earth after its death, they will certainly reply, "Allah!" Say, "Praise be to Allah!" But most of them understand not.
Well wasnt it told that the Mushriks proudly used to say we follow the religion of Abraham alayhi salam. Did you know there were idols of Ishmael and Abraham may peace be upon them.
If interested you can please refer to my journal "Miraculous Powers of the Dead or Shirk"
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The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila when approaching Allah Ta’ala. Allah Ta’ala states in the Holy Quran: “O ye who believe! Fear Allah and search for a Wasila (mediation) towards Him and strive in His path on that hope that you will gain refuge.” (Part 6, Ruku 10)
The following verses of the Holy Quran prove this. Allah Ta’ala states in the Holy Quran:
“And if when they do injustice unto their souls, then O Beloved! They should come to you and then beg forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger should intercede for them, then surely, they would find Allah Most Relenting, Merciful.” (Para 5, Ruku 6)
“And what they felt bad, only this that Allah and His Messenger has enriched them out of His grace;” (Para 10, Ruku 16)
“And O Beloved! Remember when you did say to him whom Allah bestowed a favour and you have bestowed a favour.” (Para 22, Ruku 2)
Hadrat Uthman bin Haniff (radi Allahu anhu) says that a blind man came to the court of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and said, “O Messenger of Allah! Pray for me that I may regain my sight.” The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said, “Go and perform ablution and read two Raka’ats of Nafil Salaah and read this Du’a: 'O Allah! Verily I ask of You and towards You I use the mediation of Nabi-e-Rahmat, Muhammad Mustapha (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). O Muhammad! Verily I turn through your Wasila to Your Creator for my needs so that my needs may be fulfilled. O Allah, accept the intercession of Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) for me”. (Ibn Maja; Shifa Shareef)
With regards to this Hadith Shareef about the blind man being asked to make Du’a with the Wasila of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), Hazrat Allama Abdul Ghani Delhwi (radi Allahu anhu) says, “It proves the permissibility of mediation and that of the Prophet’s (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) intercession. This command is that during his life, but also after his demise.” (Misbahus Zijaja Bar Hashia ibn Maja) Thus, one is allowed to seek the Wasila of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) even after his demise.
The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said, “I am the one who distributes and Almighty Allah is the One who gives.” (Bukhari; Umdatul Qari)
Hazrat Abdul Haq Muhadith Delhwi (radi Allahu anhu) writes the following: “According to the Ijma of the Ulema, to use the Wasila of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) to gain assistance both with verbally or physically is said to be confirmed to be desirable.” (Jazbul Quloob)
Those who are Muslims will always accept that the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has the power of giving benefit given to him by Allah Taal’a. He will think of him as the one to turn to in the times of need **
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The Aqeeda of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jama'at is that to seek the mediation of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is permissible or allowed by the Shari’ah.
The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila when approaching Allah Ta’ala. Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah and search for a Wasila (mediation) towards Him and strive in His path on that hope that you will gain refuge." (Part 6, Ruku 10)
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I dont even have to see the Quran it is Chapter 5:35. Do you know the tafsir of this, please get it, you will understand coz if I put it up u will ignore.
You Remember, the Dua after Adhaan, please put the translation. First thing remember, You can ask Allaah please do Grant my Muslims the best of Guidance.
But it is not allowed for us to supplicate Ya Rasollallaah, ask Allaah to give me strength. Ya is only used for an individual who is alive and not dead.
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The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila by approaching the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "And if when they do injustice unto their souls, then O Beloved! They should come to you and then beg forgiveness from Allah, and the Messenger should intercede for them, then surely, they would find Allah most Relenting, Merciful." (Part 5, Ruku 7)
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This is only on the day of judgement, that Prophet is going to come as an intercession. In that case the babies also, who have died as infants are allowed to intercede to there Mothers during the day of Judgement, why dont we ask wasila from them also.
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The Ambiya are Wasilas (mediators) for their Ummah in every form and the Wasila of the Ambiya is the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Hence, the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Wasila of all mediations, even the Wasila for Hadrat Adam (alaihis salaam). (Tafseer Saadi)
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You have confirmed my above point, now do you get it Wasila is only given to the Prophet only on the day of Judgement.
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Imam Bukhari(RA) in his Kitaabu Adaabul Mufrad has written that Hazrat Adullah ibn Omar(RA) once suffered from cramp. Someone advised him to remember the person whom he loved most. The great Companion then proclaimed loudly: "Ya Muhammad", it is recorded that he was immediately relieved of the cramps.
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Get me the Volume no. Book no. and the Hadith no., I dont deny you but I can also confirm.
But before that let me write the Word of Allaah in the Noble Quran
Surah 10:49
Say, (O Mohammed) “I possess not for myself any harm or benefit except what Allah should will".
I leave it as an exercise to read the verses above that.
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Imam-e-Mujtahid Sayyidi Abdur Rahman Masoodi(RA) was the grandson of Hazrat Abdullah ibn Masood(RA). He was also a very great Jurist and a Taabieen of high rank. It is said he used to wear a long hat on which were inscribed the words "Muhammad, Ya Mansoor".Substantiating this, Imam Hasheem bin Jameel Az Zaaki(RA) who was among the great Ulema and Muhaddatheen of the time states: "I saw him (i.e. Hazrat Abdur Rahman Masoodi) place a long hat on his head, onit were inscribed the words "Muhammad, Ya Mansoor".
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I have no idea about that, so I cant comment. But I know Hazrath Abu Huraira radiAllaahuanha, did in front of Prophet, Abu Bakr and Hazrath Umer in a Sequence.
He first send Salams to the Messenger salaAllaahualayhi wa salam, then Hazrath Abu Bakr and his father Hazrath Umar.
I never read any Ya Rasollullaah.
Btw, forget about that When Prophet salaAllaahualayhiwasallam was alive, Hazrath Umar, just told the Prophet i am going for Umra. **
**You know the answer of the Prophet, Please do supplicate for me too, Prophet said this to Hazrath Umar.
Hazrath Umar wept after this.
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notebook...do you mind giving the ayah numbers too. Roku numbers dont help.
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wait so wahabis rnt considered muslims?????
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The evidence of WAHABIS (Sipah-e-Sahaba / Saudi) being thirsty for our (ahle sunnah SUNNI) blood are:
1) The cold-blooded murder of Maulana Saleem Qadri
2) The Tragedy of Nishtar Park
3) Other SUNNI Scholars martyred by SALAFI / WAHABIS
**May Allah’s curse be on Saudi Family and Salafi Mullahs!!
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Subhan Allah. Very well said.
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Yeah, this is what us Muslims do best.Point fingers at everyone else and not fix our own selves first.
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:k:
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Wahabi SAUDI fitna. Truely said.
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Qadrifaheem i thought i was clear can i get the books you have referred, I am going to ask you unless you answer me.
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The Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'at believes that it is permissible to call to the Awliyah Allah (radi Allahu anhum) for assistance or help as this is not associating partners with Allah Ta’ala. We believe that Allah Ta’ala has given the Awliya Allah special powers to assist the creation with His permission
Hello, so you are saying that you don't worship anyone expect Allah? THEN WHY DO YOU GO TO GRAVES TO PARY, TO THEM AND ASK THEM FOR THINGS, WHY DON'T YOU ASK FOR THING BY YOUR SELF. WHO EVER GOES TO GRAVES TO PARY HE IS A MUSHIRK, AND MUSHIRK IS SOME ONE WHO DOES SHIRK.
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Yo_wasim
by this defination
there are only few muslims in the world
as most of the muslims are mushrik in one way or the other