w.w Jesus do verses w.w Mohammed (pbuh)do

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JESUS OR MUHAMMAD? A COMPARISON OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE WORLD’S TWO LARGEST RELIGIONS
INTRODUCTION

Jesus founded Christianity, Muhammad founded Islam. These are the two largest religions in the world with about 1.8 billion and 1.1 billion members respectively. These founders laid down many principles to live by. This paper compares and contrasts some of their actions and teachings. Certainly these men have affected humanity in a powerful way.

Both religions have much in common, and both differ strongly in other ways. What were the founders’ characters like? How do they compare with each other? What does the Bible and the Quran say about Jesus? What did their teachings and actions induce their followers to do?

A comparison / contrast follows.


SOME OF THEIR LAST WORDS

JESUS: “Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Luke 23:34. (said while on the cross dying).

MUHAMMAD: “May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets.” (said while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha). Bukhari, Vol. 1, 427.

Christ, asks God to forgive, while Muhammad, utters a bitter curse. Wouldn’t it have been more appropriate for Muhammad to have asked God to guide the Christians and Jews while he was dying?


SLAVERY

JESUS: had no slaves. Jesus taught to do to others as you would have them do to you. No one wants to be enslaved against their will. Further, Paul wrote in 1 Tim 1:8-10,

“We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreaders and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers…”

From these verses, we see that forcibly enslaving people, and trading in slaves, are against Christian teachings.

MUHAMMAD: was a slaver. He owned and sold many slaves, both male and female. He even claimed that Allah allowed him to have sex with his female slaves when he wanted to. Ref. Sura 33:50, 52, 23:5, and 70:30. Slaves are considered “booty” for Muslims when taken in battle.

Muhammad made slaves out of the people he raided and fought against. Most notable were the women and children survivors of Muhammad’s massacre of the 800 males of the Jewish Banu Quraydhah, Sura 33:26. The Sirat Rasulallah - the earliest biography of Muhammad, gives much more detail.

Bukhari also documents Muhammad owning many slaves - vol. 1, 530 & 807. Muhammad didn’t discriminate when it came to slavery, he had Negro, male, female, Jewish, Christian, and pagan Arab slaves.

Muhammad also allowed slaves to be beaten. When his wife was being examined as to whether or not she committed adultery, Muhammad’s son in law, Ali, brutally beat Aisha’s slave in front of Muhammad, in order to insure that she tell the truth about Aisha. Here is the quote from Ibn Ishaq’s “Sirat Rasulallah”, translated as “The Life of Muhammad”, by A. Guillaume, (page 496):

"So the apostle called Burayra (Aisha’s slave) to ask her, and Ali got up and gave her a violent beating saying, “Tell the apostle the truth,”…

Muhammad did not stop Ali from beating the slave.


SIN

JESUS: was sinless. 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 John 3:5, Heb. 4:15

MUHAMMAD: was declared to be a sinner in the Quran. Sura 40:55, 48:2. Muhammad also prayed for forgiveness of his sins, Bukhari vol. 1, 795, 796.


PUNISHING SINNERS WHO WERE WILLING TO REPENT

JESUS

From John 8:2-11

"At dawn He (Jesus) appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a women caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap in order to have a basis to accuse Him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with His finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the furst to threw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on th ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they” Has no one condemned you?" “No one sir”, she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

MUHAMMAD

From the Hadith of Abu Dawud, #4428

“Buraidah said: “A woman of Ghamid came to the Prophet and said: “I have committed fornication”, He said: “Go back”. She returned and on the next day she came to him again, and said: “Perhaps you want to send me back as you did to Maiz b. Malik. I swear by Allah, I am pregnant.” He said to her: “Go back”. She then returned and came to him the next day. He said to her: “Go back until you give birth to the child.” She then returned. When she gave birth to the child she brought the child to him, and said: “Here it is! I have given birth to it.” He said: “Go back, and suckle him until you wean him.” When she had weaned him, she brought him to him with something in his hand which he was eating. The boy was then given to a certain man of the Muslims and he (the prophet) commanded regarding her. So a pit was dug for her, and he gave orders about her and she was stoned to death. Khalid was one of those who were throwing stones at her. He threw a stone at her. When a drop of blood fell on his cheek, he abused her. The prophet said to him: “Gently, Khaild. By Him in Whose hand my soul is, she has repented to such an extent that if one who wrongfully takes an extra tax were to repent to a like extent, he would be forgiven”. Then giving command regarding her, prayed over her and she was buried.””

Here is a stark contrast of the two men. When Jesus dealt with the adulterous women, He did not condemn her. He commanded her to go and sin no more. He gave her a chance for redemption.

How many people have started out down the wrong street, but years later were able to turn their lives around? Not only in that, but they have been able to help others turn their lives around as well? Jesus offered this chance to the lady. Under the law, the Jews could have stoned the women, but Christ’s love and compassion was greater.

Muhammad did not deal well with the situation. At first, he tried to dismiss the adulterous women. She confessed her sin to him, but he refused to hear her and deal with it. Instead, he told her to go back. This occured three times. Three times Muhammad ran from dealing with the situation. Finally, after the women’s consistent confession, Muhammad had to deal with it. He allowed her to give birth, suckle and then wean the child, which could have taken 1 to 3 years. Then she returns. Muhammad has her killed.

This woman not only confessed, but she repented. She was a good mother to her child and she was a responsible member of her commmunity. Couldn’t Muhammad have forgiven her? Muhammad allowed many others off for the sins they committed. But Muhammad was unable to deal compassionately with the women. He couldn’t see beyond his nose. He couldn’t see that this lady had turned her life around, that she was bearing fruit, properly raising her child, and doing the right thing. Muhammad’s shortsightedness, caused her death.


WAR - TREATMENT OF ADVERSARIES

JESUS: In Luke 9:54, 55 Jesus rebuked His disciples when they wanted to destroy a town that rejected Him. Also, in Luke 22:52, Jesus’ disciples started to fight against those that came to arrest Jesus, He stopped them, and healed a man injured in the fight - .

MUHAMMAD: told his followers to aggressively make war on non-Muslims: 9:5, 29. Sura 9 was one of the last Suras given by Muhammad. Initially, when Muhammad’s group was weak, he ordered his followers to try to get along with other people. After the Muslims became powerful, he ordered them to spread Islam by force. Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman continued his wars of aggression.

Muhammad also massacred approx. 800 Jewish male captives: noted in Sura 33:26.

Muhammad also ordered the execution of 10 people when he took Mecca. Three of these people were slave girls who had previously made fun of Muhammad.

Muhammad attacked the Jewish city of Khaibar. He took one of the Jewish leaders and tortured him to force him to tell where some buried money was. After the man refused to talk, and was near death, Muhammad ordered that his head be cut off.


WOMEN & MARRIAGE

JESUS: was not married. He healed women, forgave women, and encouraged women. The New Testament teaches that husbands should love their wives and not be harsh with them: Col 3:19, Eph. 5:25, that men and women are equal in Christ - Gal 3:28, that they should be treated with respect - 1 Pet 3:7.

MUHAMMAD: told his male followers to beat their disobedient wives. He gave men the right to beat their wives who disobeyed them.

Sura 4:34 “As those you fear may be rebellious admonish, banish them to their couches, and beat them.”

The above verse was revealed in connection with a women who complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, which was still marked by the slap. At first Muhammad said to her “Get even with him”, but then added 'Wait until I think about it". Later on the above verse was revealed, and Muhammad added, 'We (He and the woman) wanted one thing, Allah wanted another.

MUHAMMAD: in the Hadith also had plenty to say about women:

(all quotes below, unless noted, are from Bukhari, vol. 1)

women are the majority of people in hell - 28 (Sahih Muslim says they are the minority in Paradise - #6600.)

women are ungrateful to their husbands - 28

women are less intelligent than men - #301

women are less spiritual than men - #301

women’s legal testimony is worth half of a man’s - #301

women are an affliction to men - 503


PRAYER

JESUS: taught His disciples to pray simply, and from the heart. God listens to the heart, not the outward form: Matt: 6:5-13

MUHAMMAD: taught formalized prayer ritual: (all quotes are from Bukhari, vol. 1)

488 - passing in front of a praying person annuls his prayer

489 - it’s a sin to pass in front of someone while they’re praying

660 - don’t raise from prayer before the Imam, or God will turn your face into a donkey’s face

685 - if the prayer rows (of men) aren’t straight, God will alter your faces

690 - if the prayer rows aren’t straight, the prayer is not good

717 - if you look up during prayer, you’ll lose your eyesight

759 - if you don’t perform the bowing perfectly, your prayers are not accepted

These men were quite different. Only one could have truly been from God.

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“dont pin it on me”

…yet another moronic flame bait!

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Excellent posting!

When the matters comes in ones hand and u say .... one should not judge the person and leave the matter to Allah/God to judge it. Why not u leave this matter to Allah to judge it? Who are we to judge or compare the personalities of Hazrat Eisa (Jesus) AS and Hazrat Muhammad SAW. Show me your credibility first. And one more thing, if u yourself is not sure about one thing dont spread it (tell it to other people) and its in Quran (and in Bible). So when u say it is not what u are saying its accordin to this article so it means u are not sure about it and dont want to be blamed for it (indirectly u are not sure about it yourself).

Finally, both are Allah's prophets, what they did obviously they were instructed by Allah, a prophet is messanger .... he does what is his advised not what he wants. So dont be judge ... and leave this matter, because matters of Allah/God are beyond the reach of your wisdom.

Bible has been changed you need to keep that in mind when doing something like this. Quran on the other hand did not changed since it was revealed to mohammad from allah in 6th century something. Mohammad was normal human being thats why he is called sinner cause he is a human and he can make mistakes. on the other hand when you people call jesus son of god and than he cant be sinner cuz he is considered a son of god to you but in quran jesus is a normal human being and he had was as vonerable to make mistakes as mohammad. me as having limited knowledge and time can not complete this reply at this time inshallah will do so later time....

Jaawan


Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©

Najim,
I'm pretty sure what i've posted here is the truth because, they are not of my own fabrication, therefore my credibility is not in question here, clear references of the Quran, Hadith and Bible are given.(do check them out if in doubt) If you want to keep your blindfold on thats fine,with me.
KK,
a little tongue-tied now are we??..............
ok whatever.
Reagan,
Thanks bud.
Jaawan,
just because you were told, that the Bible has been changed, you expect to shove that lie down our throat, show me evidence, supporting this claim. that is what i NEED to know.


"dont pin it on me"

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Jaawan,
This is for your information, and clear evidence, that Bible has not been changed.

go to this site to clear your doubts. http://members.aol.com/crossfires/messiah/gospels.htm

Many of the great Muslim thinkers have, indeed, accepted the authenticity of the New Testament text. Listing the names of these men seems a fitting conclusion. Their testimony proves that Christian-Muslim dialogue need not for ever be stymied by the allegation introduced by Ibn-Khazem. Two great historians, Al-Mas’udi (died 956) and Ibn-Khaldun (died 1406), held the authenticity of the Gospel text. Four well-known theologians agreed with this: Ali at-Tabari (died 855), Qasim al-Khasani (died 860), 'Amr al-Ghakhiz (died 869) and, last but not least, the famous Al-Ghazzali (died 1111).14 Their view is shared by Abu Ali Husain Ibn Sina, who is known in the West as Avicenna (died 1037). Bukhari (died 870), who acquired a great name by his collection of early traditions, quoted the Qur’an itself (Sura 3,72.78) to prove that the text of the Bible was not falsified.15 Finally, Muhammad Abduh Sayyid Ahmad Khan, a religious and social reformer of modem times (died 1905), accepted the findings of modern science. He said:

“As far as the text of the Bible is concerned. it has not been altered … No attempt was made to present a diverging text as the authentic one.”
May God be praised for the witness of these honest men.

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particle board
which version of the bible did you take those from? The King James?
The New Testament? -- which the Jews do not beleive in ( Was Jesus a Jew or not?)

or The Old Testament which is Pre Jesus. Posting from websites is very easy. I hope you have checked those refences before posting cause some of them dont match up.
Also you have done a very decent job of cutting and pasting the sections that were convenient to you.

hmcq,
religion has always been my personal quest, unfortunately you have not looked outside the boundries of the walls that you were born into. i have read the Quran and the Bible (old and new testament...which sections bring doubt to your mind??)
sure i took help from websites, what's wrong with that? you tell me where things don't "match-up", or what more i should have added, and i will apologize, for my errors (if any).
it is a known fact that, people have used, are using and will always use sections, or/and quotations as reference to convey a message. i have not written history. In this case, no matter how you look at it, the facts remain the same. its so easy, when you can't face up to the truth.......blame the source!!!

"if you keep peelinng an onion from the outside in, it will still remain an onion right upto its core, inspite of all the tears you shed."


"dont pin it on me"

Quran is its own authenticity, show me the authenticity of the Bible, then I will definately believe in this article.

Secondly, u just picked one point, I am clearly saying .... that the matter should be left for Allah to decide.

Welcome particleboard,

for all answers to your questions about Islam or Christianity go to
http://www.ais.org/~maftab/christ.html

These issues are dealt with in great detail.

Particleboard,
I have to agree with Najim on what he says and I don't see the point in comapring personalities, as a Muslim the Quran is the ultimate proof and guidance for me. Whatever Muhammed (PBUH) or Jesus (PBUH) did or did not do is between them and God. The Quran clearly lays down a challenge for anyone who wishes to question its authenticity, niether the Bible or the various hadith you have quoted from lay down such a challenge or stand up to such scrutiny.
If you want to find out about prophet Muhammed (PBUH) then read the Quran, the prophet was a perfect example and follwed the Quran completely to say otherwise would be gross conjecture. You should not try to make one person seem better than the other by such cut and paste jobs. If you want to comapare the Quran and the Bible then that is easier to do because you have set the limits of the discussion, everything else as far as I am concerned is hearsay and conjecture.

You asked someone about what they doubt about Christianity, well personally speaking, here a few things from the top of my head:
1.Jesus is God
2.Jesus (God) eats, sleeps, rests, goes to toilet,is circumcised etc.
3.Jesus (God) created the world in 6 days and needed a rest on the 7th (Bible), God gets tired?
4.Jesus takes blame for sins of mankind. Why, this does not seem logical.
5. Which Bible to follow?

Just out of curiosity, what makes one think that the current version of the Bible is not authentic? If it is not, then what is/was the authentic version? Has the authentic version ever been seen? And if Muslims claim that the original version has been altered, why can’t they introduce a new Bible without alteration.

Imagine that you had never heard of the Mona Lisa, your are given 5 version to look at and determine which is the original. You would obviously have no idea which is the real one would you? BUT if you were told that the real/original one would be the only one which she would be smiling in then you would be in a position to judge.

The new Bible without the alterations has been around for 1400 years, there is nothing new in it but confirmation of what was said before, the message has always been the same but I guess people don't really change that much. We are all one people all innocent when we are born (muslim), we only imitate our atmosphere but the book never changes or contradicts as the truth is always consistent. I am really disgusted by the continuing 'mine is better than yours' debates that seem to be going on. All I say is that the guidance is out there if you want it, all respect to you if you don't.

Dear Camille,

“>>>..The new Bible without the alterations has been around for 1400 years,…<<<”

I guess you mean Quran. What I have read is that Quran was not written in its current form 300 years after the death of the Prophet. I have also read that initially there were 7 people who memorized the Quran, but each one had a different version of it. One version was finally agreed upon.

To tell it to over a Billion Christians that their Book is not authentic is like a slap on your own face. If one is so quick to issue a judgement on the authenticity of a divine material, one should not forget that their prophet is considered phony by others. Who is right and who is not is very difficult to judge. I agree with you that there should be no need to Judge “this” versus “that”. To each its own.

I like your analogy of Mona Lisa. I guess the best one to know the authenticity of the painting will be DiVinci, and not someone who has never seen the “outside”.

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Originally posted by particleboard:
*hmcq,
religion has always been my personal quest, unfortunately you have not looked outside the boundries of the walls that you were born into. i have read the Quran and the Bible (old and new testament...which sections bring doubt to your mind??)
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I have, also, like you read both the Quran and the Bible (At least one version of it). Infact I spent 5 yrs studying the bible.
In most cricles the the Kings James version is considered the "Authentic" version. Is that where you checked these quotes.

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sure i took help from websites, what's wrong with that? you tell me where things don't "match-up", or what more i should have added, and i will apologize, for my errors (if any).
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My contention about websites and the internet in general is that we take whatevers written, hook, line and sinker. If wish to convince a person such as me , then I would expect you to make tha arguments for these things in your own thoughts as that is more likely to show me what you consider the writings to mean. Taking a websites content is simply a few clicks and keystrokes. If something interests you , then it should mean more than that... at least thats what I apply to myself personally.

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it is a known fact that, people have used, are using and will always use sections, or/and quotations as reference to convey a message. i have not written history. In this case, no matter how you look at it, the facts remain the same. its so easy, when you can't face up to the truth.......blame the source!!!
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Using quotations is absolutly ok... however only taking those quotations that suit one persons beliefs is not..you have to take it as a whole and look at it as a whole...that applies to both the Quran and the Bible.

As for the source... there are in places significant differences between the Hebrew scriptures and the english version of the bible. Different people consider different versions of the bible as been correct. You might want to look into that..

As the mod in this section , I am going to try and stick out of this... but if ,what i said has in anyway offended you then I am sorry indeed.

For me both religions do preach peace (doesnt Islam mean peace ? :))... just depends on what you look at and what you dont.

NYA,

I am not saying that the Bible is true or false, all I'm saying is that the Quran as a book has checks and balances within in it to determine its divinity and this is not found in any other revelation. I do not wish to offend any Christians and I'm sorry if I have. Your issues about the different sources of the Quran etc have been well documented and well answered in the various sites mentioned.

I agree with you about DiVinci being the best judge and not someone who has never seen the 'outside'. In this case God is the artist, the Quran is the painting and we are the outsiders looking for clues given to us from the artist himself. - Take care.

PARTICLEBOARD,

A few quotes from the Bible about SLAVERY:

[Lev 25:44.18] As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you.

[Lev 22:10] "An outsider shall not eat of a holy thing. A sojourner of the priest's or a hired servant shall not eat of a holy thing;

[Lev 22:11] but if a priest buys a slave as his property for money, the slave may eat of it; and those that are born in his house may eat of his food.

[Exod 21:32.6] If the ox gores a slave, male or female, the owner shall give to their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned

[Lev 25:46.20] You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession for ever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another,with harshness.

my dear friends,
it was really not my intention to offend anyone by this posting, However if i have i apologise.