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Some people just here to spread mischeif ignore these fools they just wasting our time you heard the saying the dogs bark at the train but the train does not stop for these barking dogs!
Islam has given woman and man the right to vote in an islamic system but just because we can vote in an islamic system does not mean it is fine to vote in a kufr system like democracy which makes man the law maker above allah(swt) astagfirullah
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HT people need better advisers. I say they should stand up in the upcoming general elections in the UK.
'one man, one vote, one God'.
'Vote for God, Vote HT'
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Yours above statement is absolutely incorrect. A single statement not as per your choice of Islam can disturb your folk’ day and night peace and you react like an open…ok let it be.
Anyhow the Islamic system is trailing far behind as per the approach of democracy. So boasting of some kind of Kahlifa system is nothing more than a joke.
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you would think that it would be allowed, so as to influence the Foreign policy of that country when it comes to Muslim countries... muslims are increasing day by day, and since they havent been voting that much, they could be a force to deal with, if they setup a large block of voters. they could swing a vote towards from someone who is anti-muslims to someone who is more favorable ... by getting invloved with government, the muslims can make thier own lives better, by influencing decisions that benefit the muslims communities as well.
Islam.tc fatwas are very sketchy in my opnion .. I think the their fatwas are influences by their own biases, views as well. When it comes to Hijab, I remember him saying something to the effect, that even though quran/hadith doesn't ask women to wear the complete hijaab (face covered as well), they should since the times are very bad.
Ok, so why stop their, lets have 6 namazes instead of 5, fast 2 months, instead of just 1, etc..
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great… comparing nascent muslim countries with centuries old europe/n.american coutries … do you even know what you’re talking about.. democracies just don’t come up because people want them. conditions have to be right. pakistan is the perfect example… democracy can’t survive, unless there is someone with a dandaa looking over things.
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^ absolutely hogwash. You are right about one little thing. Democracy is an evolving process. Democracy doesn't survive in Pakistan, not because of people but because of the danda.
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my above statement what about the 3 points i refuted of yours which shows you have no clue about about islam whatsover.
And speaking of my above statement it was not actually about you or in reference to you but since you want to be included in it no problem keep barking!
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Democracy is in fact older than islam and is so stupid of an idea even the inventors of Democracy the greeks gave up on it because it caused total chaos.
And now these so called civillised countries want to re introduce this defunct idea to the muslim world in particular.
Well it will fail for very simple reason the people are muslim and they have certain beleifs that do not work in the democrohypocrisy system such as they cannot accept the idea of man making the laws.
Why has this rubbish system failed in pakistan for example the people are not accepting because it is against there nature, but people in britain can accept the system of democracy because they fine with laws such as gay marriage and prostituition becoming legal as well as a alcohol drinking culture this all fine with them but this is not acceptable in a muslim society.
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So, democracy is responsible for all odds in Europe, in society. What about Arabs, people of origin of Islam, 78 years old Arab marries a minor in India and Pakistan? Can anyone name at least one social problem of democratic Europe that does not exist in Arab countries, any problem, alcohol, prostitution etc? Islam the religion of God allows the victor to capture the women of the conquered and distribute them among the soldiers, what’s is that? A religious haram?
Off course I cannot argue if Islam is a religion of God, as the religion forum moratorium does not like an open discussion. Democracy and knowledge are correlated.
Sometimes these people make so funny statements in defense religion train that one does not need to open the joke forum.
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This democrohypocrisy is same stupid system that allows rabid dog racists like the BJP and Shiv sena to gain power right also in UK you get the right wing BNP who hate any people of color, and in France the nation of liberation so called you have the nazi Front National what a great system this democracy is to produce such wonderful racist parties!
Speaking of India who have dominated so called biggest democracy a monarchy called the Ghandis!
In amerikkka you have had only 4 parties who participate in the political system in past 200+ years what kind of democracy is this and in current times its only 2 parties who dominate the land and what difference in thier main policies probably 0!
Democracy never worked for the greeks and it never worked today its a myth!
by the way the slight slander you tried against islam which i will refute again here in war enemies of muslims will die who will look after thier women they have thier rights it is permitted to take the women, not like the western armies who go around raping women even in 2005 under UN they doing this. If you don’t want your wife to become concubine simple dont mess with muslims especially the next islamic state.
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So what is the alternate?
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The islamic system.
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Could you explain more what that is, and how that works? I just know it involves a Khalfa.
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i will provide a link which explains the basic concepts this would be easier than to type entire concepts in single post.
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lately i've been reading about muslim history and the khilafa ...
after the 4th Caliph, It wasn't really khilafa in the real sense.
it was more of a kingdom. the caliph was the king, and he lived like it. starting from Mu'awayia, they started living in palaces, greed seemed to a bigger motivator than the spread of islam. you've got different clans fighting for power and control. THe khilafa remained in name only, because it gave the sense of unity of the muslim umma..
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^ there was mistakes in the history of 1400 years of the islamic state but this does not mean it was wrong or unislamic. For example in the west if they make mistake in one issue does it make entire system not capitalist no it still capitalist same situation in islamic system if mistake made rectify it.
Also some of the sources of history should be carefully looked at because we know the orientalists produced many hundreds of books and literature basically lying about what went on in the history of islam because job of orientalists was to undermine anything islamic like western media today we know how easily they lie on what goes on in islamic world maybe only 1% is actual truth.
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kinda like your posts?
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Site Says:
The Khilafah existed from the time of the establishment of Islam 1400 years ago, until the destruction of the Khilafah in 1924 by Mustafa Kemal.
The thing which was destroyed by Mustafa Kemal was not Khilafah though. That was just a label used by the “Ottoman Empire”.
–! a Monarchial System in which a son (prince) after the death of his father (king) in which they get approval by some religious leaders by hook or by crook and they do it to maintain their status in the coming government. ! —
–! A Monarchial System in which the head of the state (king) so called Khilafah appoints a favorite person; Sultans in different regions without looking into the personal character of a person. ! – As a result that Sultan send money, gifts each year and military aid as required to strengthen that Monarchial System ! –
– When these Sultans see they have enough power to sustain they local kingdom; they announce their freedom from the Monarchial System become kings and appoint their own Sultans or Nawabs –
How can we say a mistake is not wrong! a mistake is always wrong
The biggest mistake was labeling Monarchial System; a Khilafah System and that was wrong. They just changed the tag.
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If a khilfah selects his son as next khalifh if the son meets the criteria its fine, if the son does not meet the criteria than it is invalid. The islamic system has checks and balances to ensure that the ruling is correct.
My point about a mistake is it does not invalidate the entire history of islamic rule that is the point i was making.
For example the shia vs sunni problem it should have been resolved and not allowed to continue as it has done so up to today. Even the kuffar amerikkkkans in their civil war between North and the South settled their differences and established the United States.
We should learn from mistakes not say oh made a mistake there so must mean entire islamic system is wrong this is nonsense to say such thing based on some mistakes made in the entire 1400 years of islamic rule.
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The real khilafa stopped after the rashidun caliphs. After that, it was just a title. The caliphs that came afterwards, were kings (started living like kings of the empires that they had conquered).
Sure, there were some 'good caliphs' in the bunch, but they were still not true to the spirit of the ideal caliph. They were politicians, and rulers. Islam was left to the scholars. The idea of caliphate continued because it united the muslim empires. Besides, The Caliphs were also not that powerful. The real power was with the governers.
I'm not againts the capliphate system, but it has to be looked at properly.
The checks and balances you mentioned failed after Ali's death.