Voting allowed in Islam

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Re: Voting allowed in Islam

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Alhamdulilah you are not in favour of democratic system more people are realising how defunct and shallow of a system it really is.

As for the bayah it is very important part of islam without bayah you cannot establish the islamic state in all 4 methods which you mentioned the bayah is in each one it is the contract. Just some evidences which show how important the bayah is:

Al-Bukhari reported that ‘Ubadah bin as-Samit said: “We made a bay’ah to the Prophet (saw) to hear and to obey in whatever pleases and displeases us, and we should not dispute the authority of those who have been entrusted with it, and that we stand for or speak the truth wherever we are without fearing the blame of any blamer for the sake of Allah.” Al-Bukhari reported from Ayyub from Hafsa from Umm ‘Atiyyah who said: “We gave a bay’ah to the Prophet (saw) and then he read to me that we should not associate anything to Allah and to prohibited us from weeping, upon which a woman amongst us withdrew her hand and said: A woman pleased me and I want to reward (repay) her. He said nothing, so she went and then returned.” Ánd in Al-Bukhari from Abu Hurairah who said: The Prophet (saw) said: “(There are) three persons to whom Allah will not talk on the Resurrection Day, nor purify them, and for them is a severe punishment: A person who has an excess of water on the road and prevents the wayfarer from it; a person who gives bay’ah to an Imam for his worldly affairs only, so if the Imam gave him that which he wants he fulfilled (the bay’ah) to him, otherwise he would not; and a person trading a commodity to another after asr (late afternoon) and he swore by Allah that he was offered so and so for it, although he was not, and the person believed him and bought it.” Al-Bukhari narrated from ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar (RA) who said: “When we gave a bay’ah to the Prophet (saw) to hear and obey, he would say to us: As much as you are able.” Jareer bin ‘Abdullah said: “I gave a bay’ah to the Prophet (saw) to hear and obey and he instructed me: As much as you are able, and to advise every Muslim.” Al-Bukhari narrated from Junada bin Abu Umayyah who said: “We entered the house of ‘Ubadah bin as-Samit while he was ill and we said: May Allah make you a good person, talk to us of a hadith you heard from the Prophet (saw) and with which Allah benefits you. He said: The Prophet (saw) invited us and we gave him our bay’ah. He said in that which he obliged upon us to hear and obey in whatever pleases and displeases us, in our ease and hardship and when we see preference (for others over us), and not to dispute the authority of those who are entrusted with it saying: Unless you see open disbelief (kufr bawah) upon which you have a clear proof from Allah.”

The method to select a khalifh has several methods as mentioned already as long as the selection of the khalifh is based in the islamic framework it is not a problem which of the methods is used.

You talk about “Islamic State” and I am talking about “Khalafah”. If there is a difference between both please mention it.

Bayah is not the requirement to establish a Khalifah. Bayah you are talking about is one sided action. Please read the Aahadith once again and you will see that it was people who were doing Bayah, it was not the requirement of Khalifah/Leader/or Imam to confirm, approve, authorize his leadership from people with the help of process of Bayah. His leadership/Khalafah/or Imamat does not become invalid, unauthorized or unapproved even if a all people refuse to do his bayah; he will still be a leader because this title is not from people its from Allah. But if you think Bayah it required, its not for Khalafah. You can say its for the satisfaction of those people who are following him. They want to pledge themselves for their own sake because they want to get reward of it; its their(people’s) duty to recognize him(khalifah) and give him oath of allegiance. But if they don’t give him oath of allegiance it will not hurt khalifah by any mean. He will still be a Khalifah. Allah will remove all the blessing from people by doing this act. So the bottomline is “Bayah is not the requirement to establish a Khalifah.”