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Inshaa-Allaah, I will try and get them in full for you.
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Waiting with baited breath...
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No - It's a Reality and it will occur - And I swear by Allaah it will occur.
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How do you intend to convert a billion Chinese to Islam? Got any plans or is it just vaporware?
Al-Tawheed, you converted to Islam just after 9/11. You are lying for the sake of your fake arguments.
Dude, I did convert a while after Sept. 11 - Alhamdulillaah.
Do you know the unseen? How do you know I didn’t? You don’t even know me dude.
Arvind, I told you the Rule of Islaam will be all over the World, and that includes China.
They will all be under the control of the Muslims.
Brother, gupguppy, the Ahadeeth on Syria and 'Iraq are found in both Bukhaaree and Saheeh Muslim, check out no. 6923 - Also there is a Lecture on the Signs of Yawmil-Qiyamah by Ahmad Jibril.
The Lecture is a real eye-opener - And it was this Lecture that made me really think. He mentions the Hadeeth in 'Arabic and then explains it.
http://www.ahmadjibril.com/media.html
The Lecture is titled “The Coming of Mahdi”.
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Brother, gupguppy, the Ahadeeth on Syria and 'Iraq are found in both Bukhaaree and Saheeh Muslim, check out no. 6923 -
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I don't see where that hadith mentions "the sanctions on 'Iraaq and the invasion of 'Iraaq so clearly" and "the embargo on Syria"?
The most important statement in this discussion goes ignored!
Before the birth of the State of Israel, Arab leaders themselves denied the existence of an Arab country called Palestine. In 1937, Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi said, “There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. 'Palestine” is alien to us; it is the Zionists who introduced it."
http://www.rbooker.com/roots/articles/mideast_pal.htm
Peace To All Who Read This…
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Arvind, I told you the Rule of Islaam will be all over the World, and that includes China.
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You da massiah now?
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You da massiah now?
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Yes...Muslims are supposed to do the work of Prophets, hence that makes him a deputy Messiah...
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lol, haske haske mera pet dukhne lagaa! You better check with your chinese friends if they all want to turn muslim.
Al-Taweed, the way you stress that you converted to Islam just after 9/11, the impression is that 9/11 and your conversion have something common.
I repeat that you are lying.
Yes mrpockets,
There was never any Palestine nation in the history. This fact does not suit Muslims. So like Kashmir was a Hindu and Buddhist sacred area. Chechnya is a purely Russian native land.
Muslims like to talk of revenge, atrocities. I wonder if all non-Muslims also adopt the same policy. There are more than three thousand Muslim structures standing over the debris of Hindu temples in India. What Islam can suggest?
‘Remove them from where they have removed you?’
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Al-Taweed, the way you stress that you converted to Islam just after 9/11, the impression is that 9/11 and your conversion have something common.
I repeat that you are lying.
Yes mrpockets,
There was never any Palestine nation in the history. This fact does not suit Muslims. So like Kashmir was a Hindu and Buddhist sacred area. Chechnya is a purely Russian native land.
Muslims like to talk of revenge, atrocities. I wonder if all non-Muslims also adopt the same policy. There are more than three thousand Muslim structures standing over the debris of Hindu temples in India. What Islam can suggest?
‘Remove them from where they have removed you?’
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The biggest bone of contention, the 'Babri Masjid' which was a slap in the face of India's non-existent secularist notion was found to contain by foreign archaeologists to contain no previous construction as was claimed by the peace loving Hindus...Your bogus Hindutvanised claim of '3,000 structures erected over Hindu temples' is as authentic and true as India's claim to secularism...
The Mughals were powerful and strong enough to annihilate each and every Hindu soul from India and name it something else, yet they still kept Hindustan as a measure of respect for its inhabitants...They should have named it 'Muslimistan' or something...They created an empire in which Hindus and Muslims lived side by side for centuries...
It is amazing to note the Hindu mindset here...The Muslims lived side by side for centuries with mutual respect, and the Hindu's worst enemy today is the Muslim...
The British came, raped the land and women, made slaves and serfs of Hindus, killed in the thousands, and yet today, the Hindus sings Bhajans in praises of those Angrez and actually tries to emulate them...
Only in Hindia...
Abu Nadhrah says: “We were sitting in the company of Jabir bin Abdullah (R.A.) when he said: ‘Soon the people of IRAQ will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.’” We asked, “Why would such a thing happen?” He replied, “Because of the non-Arabs.” (i.e they will prevent food from going into Iraq, in the form of “sanctions” to this day.) He then said: “Soon the people of Shaam (SYRIA) will neither receive any money nor grain.” We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: “Because of the Romans (christians).”
Brother At-Tawheed knows what he is talking about.
only way is to separate religen from poltics
Islam has literally been at war with all other religions since its inception. It looks at the world as being divided between Islam and the world of the infidel, the unbeliever. The central prayer of Islam, the Kalima, spoken daily, states “There is no God by Allah and Mohammed is His Prophet.” A militant religion. Mohammed said, “The sword is the key to Heaven and Hell.” By contrast, six hundred years earlier, Jesus said, “He who lives by the sword shall perish by the sword.”
Overwhelmingly Muslims kill Muslims.
Add up the casualties. Iran/Iraq war. Invasion of Kuwait. Saddams murdering of 300,000 Kurds, 100,000 Marsh Arabs, 200,000 political dissidents. "Insurgents" killing Iraqi's. Sectarian violence. Add how many are tortured and killed in totalitarian countries by security services in Arab countries. Killing by the Taliban, fights between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban.
Too bad the people who run the "Iraq Body Count" do not have the courage to single out Muslim on Muslim violence. For some reason, Muslims seem to shrug off the available statistics, and discount the attacks. Once in a while when a Muslim is threatened to be beheaded, people get riled up, but for the most part noone has the courage to look inward.
Blaming Hindu's, Christians, Jews, Russians, Americans and anyone else is so much more satisfying and convenient. It is so politically correct to find the bogey man and wage jihad, than to look at the violence that is endemic to a portion of the Islamic world. Radical Islam is more a part of the problem, than a part of the solution. Remarkably, the Palestinian casualties in the past 10 years are equal to what Saddams' murders in ONE year.
Perhaps the idea of "fighting" something is so much more romantic than the mundane. Economic competitiveness, education, tolerance, freedom from corruption, these things are where the fight should be waged, but it is so much more satisfying to wave about an ak-47 in a hood.
When Abbas said to Abusufyan to accept Islam or his head would be chopped off and Muhammad was present at that moment. Abu Sufyan who was not a believer a minute ago now becomes a believer. it doesn't realy make sense. OK, my point is that violence seems to be a part of religion. Quran in many places tells muslims to kill non-believers wherever they find them....
First, I would like to see where you got those figures…
Secondly, would you be kind enough to put up a body count of the countries that America went to war with since its creation, not to mention the civil war?
Muslims killing Muslims throughout history doesn’t equal the barbarism that Christians against Jews and Christians against Christians wreaked upon each other…
The Ummah is going through a rough patch now, a sign which was prophesied by the Holy Prophet :saw:…During times of all upheavals bloodshed occurs…
When America was being created, didn’t you guys have wars and civil wars? Wasn’t America created out of strife and chaos and through that chaos America arose for what it is today…What would have happened if England at that moment of upheaval had sided with the south…I can tell you that today America would be a different America had Britain intervened for its own purposes…
Similarly Afghanistan was going through a time of strife and chaos itself…What happens? On the pretext of capturing one man, America hurls its poison on an entire nation, thereby disrupting the entire process by which a nation is formed…
This meddling by America in the affairs of the Ummah are highly hated and disliked by Muslims and hence we come to despise and hate its interference…
As for Muslims killing Muslims is concerned, it is between the brotherhood…I know for sure that if you and your brother are fighting against each other, you can laugh it off and forget it later…But if I jumped in, I am sure both of you would resent it…
Look in your history of bloodshed caused by America alone, forget Christians, then think about it…
Lajawab,
You can try on various figures.
How about up to 100,000 Kurds in 1988 alone?
“By our estimate, in Anfal at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 persons, many of them women and children, were killed out of hand between February and September 1988. Their deaths did not come in the heat of battle – “collateral damage” in the military euphemism. Nor were they acts of aberration by individual commanders whose excesses passed unnoticed, or unpunished, by their superiors. Rather, these Kurds were systematically put to death in large numbers on the orders of the central government in Baghdad – days, sometimes weeks, after being rounded-up in villages marked for destruction or else while fleeing from army assaults in “prohibited areas”.”
The Kurds are unable to account for 182,000, and Saddams’ representatives admit to at least 100,000:
From the material examined to date, it is evident that detailed records had been kept of all Kurds rounded-up, then sorted out and dispatched, either to their deaths or to prison or resettlement camps. When the overlord of Anfal, Ali Hassan al-Majid, who was subsequently promoted to Defense Minister, met with Kurdish leaders in May 1991 for abortive peace negotiations, he knew what he was talking about. Faced with the Kurds’ demands for an explanation as to what had happened to the disappeared – a number they put at 182,000 – he exploded that the total number (killed in the Anfal) “could not have been more than 100,000.” It was a telling order of magnitude, not to mention an admission of guilt.
The Marsh Arabs and other Shia are impossibly hard to count:
“Numbering some 250,000 people as recently as 1991, the Marsh Arabs today are believed to number fewer than 40,000 in their ancestral homeland. Many have been arrested, “disappeared,” or executed”
This account is surely an exaggeration, so discount the number considerably:
"It is also very interesting to note that after the 1991 Shi’ite uprising over 300,000 were killed or captured never to be seen again, but there were no injured. This is very odd considering the logical fact that wars result in many more injuries than deaths. Under Saddam, however, people were either killed instantly or killed in mass executions soon after. With slogans such as “After today no more Shi’ites” the army had advanced into the city of Karbala. The killed were killed, the captured were killed, and the injured were killed as well. No one was spared. "
http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/politics/0000374.php
Detentions of dissidents and political opponents:
And so it will be. More than 250,000 people were detained or murdered by the government of Saddam Hussein, and almost all of them have relatives who now want justice, or physical remains, or at the very least information about what happened to their loved ones.
What’s more, the killings in Iraq were coldly calculated, institutionalized and highly documented in an effort worthy of the Nazis.:
"Among the findings presented in this report are three key documents, two of which concern the Anfal campaign, while the third offers a “plan of action” against the insurgency in Iraq’s southern Marsh areas in 1989. These three documents are included in the Appendix. Generally, the documents we have found during our research constitute small pieces in a large puzzle. In addition to these three key documents, most notable perhaps among our findings is the unequivocal evidence we have been able to accumulate of Iraq’s repeated use of chemical weapons against the Kurds. Likewise, we have been able to unearth an impressive documentary record on the incremental Iraqi campaign to raze to the ground all Kurdish villages and the deportation of their populations.
Other documents cover a range of topics, including the Arabization campaign in the Kurdish areas, military operations in the war with Iran, the activities of the pro-government Kurdish militias, the Anfal campaign, and the political and human rights situation during and after the crisis over Kuwait. The documents provide evidence of collective and extra-judicial punishments, summary executions, and illegal reprisals. Concerning the crucial 1987-89 period, Middle East Watch is confident that the evidence is sufficiently strong to prove a case of genocidal intent on the part of the Iraqi government "
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1994/iraq/TEXT.htm
Pick any numbers you want, it’s genocide… Done by muslims against Muslims…
And, for comparison, The total number of people killed by America from 1900-1990 is probably:
“Putting together all the subtotals (lines 333 to 350), in this century the United States probably murdered about 583,000 people (line 350), conceivable even as many as 1,641,000 all told. Virtually all of these were foreigners killed during foreign wars.”
This is compared to Pakistan in 1971 for example:
"After a well organized military buildup in East Pakistan the military launched its campaign. No more than 267 days later they had succeeded in killing perhaps 1,500,000 people, created 10,000,000 refugees who had fled to India, provoked a war with India, incited a counter-genocide of 150,000 non-Bengalis, and lost East Pakistan.
This democide is listed in Table 8.1 (lines 26 to 30), which gives an overview of Pakistan’s war-dead and democide from 1958 to 1987, the period over which Pakistan has had authoritarian rule, usually military governments. There have been periods without martial law, constitutions have been drawn up, and elections have been held. But these were hardly open and fair, democratic rights and liberties were still absent, and the military still largely controlled major policy from behind the scenes. In Table 8.2 I detail the sources and calculations for the 1971 West Pakistan genocide. "
In other words, the killings in 1971 surpass the entire number of deaths caused by the US in a century!
(By the way, the author of these statistics was a professor nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, and widely researched and reviewed)
I stand by my contention that Muslims are their own worst enemies.
** rvikz** Guess, you forgot to quote the following statement of Jesus from the Bible:
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law–a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.” (Matthew 10:34-36)
Remember: *Falsehood with power is tyranny; Truth without power is impotency *
//Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-36)//
You are taking a quote and using it in a totally different context . Christianity is a religion of peace. Dont forget these quotes
'If somebody slaps you on one cheek, show him the other cheek' Forgiveness is the essence of christianity ,not jehad...