Re: Victims of caste system in Punjab
There is a factual error in the book. Meluhha is claimed to mean land of darkskinned people. Established academic theories claim Meluhha corresponds to Dravidian “mel akam” meaning high country. There are also claims that Meluhha is the origin of the Sanskrit word Mleccha which means foreigner or barbarian. I am sure that IVC people would not call themselves barbarians or foreigners in which case they are not the fabled Meluhhans.
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Calysodyc, I wished to point out that Mahabharat was probably written in the period when casteism was becoming hereditary but not has not become completely stringent.
One more thing, why pakistani christians have arabic name instead of Christian ones??
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Calysodyc, I wished to point out that Mahabharat was probably written in the period when casteism was becoming hereditary but not has not become completely stringent.
One more thing, why pakistani christians have arabic name instead of Christian ones??
Parvez Masseh? any particular examples of Arabic names in Pakistani Christians.
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Parvez Masseh? any particular examples of Arabic names in Pakistani Christians.
Shahbaz Bhatti :), and I read in some report and it mentioned arabic names instead of christian ones :)
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Shahbaz Bhatti :), and I read in some report and it mentioned arabic names instead of christian ones :)
Both Pervez and Shahbaz are Persian names
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Both Pervez and Shahbaz are Persian names
I should have written muslim name, do you think I can make difference between Persian and Arabic :D
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They have names like Tara, Shahbaz, Pervez, Joseph, David… When we used to live in Azam Town, we have many christian neighbors. Our cable wala was also a christian. His name was Pappu ( famous as Pappu cable wala). He resembled Ishrat ul Ibad, so I used to refer to him as Governor Sindh 
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Pappu is universal name here I believe, In India, Pappu can be hindu,muslim or christian name. same is with the name Sonu :)
Re: Victims of caste system in Punjab
Pappu is universal name here I believe, In India, Pappu can be hindu,muslim or christian name. same is with the name Sonu :)
Pappu, Guddu,Raja, Rani, GuRiya.. all are acceptable in all religions
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Caste system of Punjab according to Baba Bulley Shah...
Chal Bulleya Chal Uthay Chalyae Jithay Saray Anay
Na Koi Saadi Zaat Pachane
Na Koi Sanu Manne
Re: Victims of caste system in Punjab
Caste system of Punjab according to Baba Bulley Shah...
Chal Bulleya Chal Uthay Chalyae Jithay Saray Anay Na Koi Saadi Zaat Pachane Na Koi Sanu Manne
and Bulleh Shah paid price for saying all this.
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I don't know the reason but many Christians do have Muslim sounding names, maybe to avoid discrimination or that they don't find it important. I have seen some people Christian names as well like Daniel.
Re: Victims of caste system in Punjab
I don't know the reason but many Christians do have Muslim sounding names, maybe to avoid discrimination or that they don't find it important. I have seen some people Christian names as well like Daniel.
Daniel or Danyaal?
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I don't know the reason but many Christians do have Muslim sounding names, maybe to avoid discrimination or that they don't find it important. I have seen some people Christian names as well like Daniel.
They have hindu sounding name as well in India, may be they converted to christianity and held their cultural name of previous religion :)
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Daniel or Danyaal?
Daniel, John and Michael etc. Many names in Islam and Christianity are similar like muqqawwee pointed out, maybe this is one reason of them choosing the common names of the land.
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What is the reason for caste system being so entrenched in Punjab as opposed to the other regions? One would think that after all the invasions and settlements that went on in the region, they would be a more open and relaxed society. What I mean is there should not be any cultural stagnation,
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Interesting question. 
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What is the reason for caste system being so entrenched in Punjab as opposed to the other regions? One would think that after all the invasions and settlements that went on in the region, they would be a more open and relaxed society. What I mean is there should not be any cultural stagnation,
In other areas (like kpk and balochistan) the tribes live in their own specific areas (wazirs, afridis, khattaks, bugtis and marris). In Punjab (and Sindh) there are mix populations. In the same town you will find jatts, Rajputs, arains, syeds, sheikhs etc. maybe that's why the people tried to keep their tribal identity alive. Even now the family (identity) is the most important.
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This reminds me...
Caste system of Punjab according to Baba Bulley Shah...
Chal Bulleya Chal Uthay Chalyae Jithay Saray Anay Na Koi Saadi Zaat Pachane Na Koi Sanu Manne
rahiye ab esi jaga chal kar jahan koi na ho
hum-sukhan koi na ho, aur hum-zubaan koi na ho
-Ghalib
Did Ghalib use idea of this shayr from Bulley Shah?! It is hard to believe that Ghalib would know Punjabi.
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In other areas (like kpk and balochistan) the tribes live in their own specific areas (wazirs, afridis, khattaks, bugtis and marris). In Punjab (and Sindh) there are mix populations. In the same town you will find jatts, Rajputs, arains, syeds, sheikhs etc. maybe that's why the people tried to keep their tribal identity alive. Even now the family (identity) is the most important.
I think in that sense, Urdu speaking people are unique in Pakistan. Because most of them have absolutely no family identity. Many use only two names, the second name being the name of father, with no third or family name.
Reason could be that many Urdu speaking people were Muslims who came to live in India from outside, and then mixed with local population. They did not have time to develop family identity.