Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
Why did you ask a question, to a question asked?
Please answer what I asked. God/Allah ordered for slaughter of a son AS by his own father AS. Then changed it to an animal.
Is/was God/Allah cruel?
Is it cruel to kill your son in general? Do you think this is a prescriptive story i.e. it is in general a good thing to take your son to a mountain and get ready to slaughter him unless a lamb appears in its place? Or do you think there are certain specifics in this story that dont necessarily mean that all of us cant draw every possible inference from it?
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God/Allah did not place broccoli there instead did he? :)
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God/Allah also did not place a chicken there. Ergo lamb is better than chicken?
Now that we have dispensed with that bit of fantastic reasoning, can those saying we cant have right/wrong notions outside of halal haram answer the questions I asked before. Is someone who feels that electric vehicles are good and petrol cars have a damaging impact on the world committing a haram act in switching to electric cars, simply by virtue of having a notion of good/bad about two alternatives that are both halal? He can drive an electric car normally, but if he thinks its better that he drives an electric car, he MUST switch over to petrol immediately. That seems to be the implication of this line of thought.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
Another example: population control. In Pakistan the state advocates two children per household. Beyond that the state advocates people do birth control. Now obviously it is halal to have 1 child, 2 children, 3 children, 10 children. Once I have say, 2 children and I feel this is as many as there should be for me, am I now committing a haram act because I think I shouldnt have 3 children?
What kind of thought process runs around trying to restrict itself even within the restrictions of its chosen religion.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
i don't know that why people do so...if Allah has created these things than why don't we eat them...medically it is necessary for human being to take such kind of food...if there is any harm then why Allah created them for us???using vegetables in any kind of sickness is another thing.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
I am sorry if it disturbed you.
All I wanted to have an answer if God/Allah sets the standard of what cruelty is or human being?
Here, I changed the question, hope you like that better. :)
no no m not talkin about me..i was just tryin to say don't use these words 4 allah...your question is still not clear to me that Allah sets the standard of cruelty or human being???
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
Reductio Ad Absurdem: Showing that a particular argument leads to absurd consequence. I agree, it is absurd to expect every allowed animal to replace the sacrifice. Its absurd to ask if killing lamb is cruel in light of this story when it also involves the command to kill your child. Thats the point.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
Reductio Ad Absurdem: Showing that a particular argument leads to absurd consequence. I agree, it is absurd to expect every allowed animal to replace the sacrifice. **Its absurd to ask if killing lamb is cruel in light ofthis story when it also involves the command to kill your child. **Thats the point.
You keep avoiding answering simple question. ;)
You may call your argument absurd, but no need to blame my question for that.
The last sentence of your is indicatative of your lack of understanding of the reasoning behind the event. I do not know what you are trying to prove with saying bold part of the last sentence. Pease say it loud and clear.
At any rate, you cannot deny that God did place an animal to be slaughtered by Ibrahim AS instead of his AS son.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
Read this, and try to comprehend the fact that your question has been answered in the absurd consequences your implication leads to. Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
I think people make religion harder than it is...
Most people that are vegetarians have a personal reason for it...they believe its better for them. And there's nothing wrong with that so why make it complicated?
Not eating meat is not a trend...I wouldn't give up meat because it became fashionable.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
I understand the viewpoint those who think its not a problem.........but i would request them to please share ...what do they make of the ayat i quoted??
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
^ the ayat you quoted has the word 'tuharrimu' for forbid. I think a clearer translation would be 'make haram'. Which has an implicitly religious context [an association with sawab / gunah, religious significance]. So I suppose vegetarians shouldnt declare that it is haram to eat meat, nor claim that their choice has a religious significance.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
by declaring haram do you mean declaring to others? or declare as in make it forbidden upon themselves??
thats a bit unclear, thus the ambiguity in translation too. all i mean to say is while the english translation doesnt capture the religious nature of 'forbidding', the arabic clearly has a religious context in 'make haram'. this appears to be along the lines of dont introduce new things into the religion.
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
So when I had Iftaari today and opted for chanay instead of qeema samosa…its haram for me to make that choice because I have forbidden myself from qeema samosa for Iftaari?
Re: vegetarianism by Muslims - No health related reasons??
^ you need to read the whole thread again.....its about life style choices......you know all too well that opting chana wouldn't make you a 'vegetarian'......
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