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Hey Spiral,
I agree with you on that point but I think Samira's idea was to show what happens to the kids when they are ignored by both parents. Don't think it has anything to do with growing up in the West at all. Instead, their father went through many partners and they never felt a connection after their mother and then with Kamla, with the result that they grew up without discipline which can happen in Pakistan or anywhere else.
Hey Spiral, I agree with you on that point but I think Samira's idea was to show what happens to the kids when they are ignored by both parents. Don't think it has anything to do with growing up in the West at all. Instead, their father went through many partners and they never felt a connection after their mother and then with Kamla, with the result that they grew up without discipline which can happen in Pakistan or anywhere else.
Oh i totally agree with you Mehreen. Don't get me wrong. I think its perfect how it shows children ignored by parents get into all that.. But I was just saying that I have yet to see a drama where they show that kids specially girls growing up in the west are nice, educated, family oriented as all.
I think media is a strong medium which can change people's point of view. The whole "yahan ke bachay" are bighray huay... kharab kaam main.. that should be changed. Guys from Pakistan don't want to get married to girls here based on this opinion..
Anyway keep up the work.. I am loving the drama. Waiting for your next drama.
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I agree that this misconception there is that families and value systems are destroyed when children are raised in the West must be removed because it just isn't true. More than anything kids can get a varied perspective by interacting with people from different religions, countries, ethnicities and have a wider world view.
poor hina! children's behaviour is so rude.anyways interesting epi, lets see the next.
^^ like you two, I just catch the very end - 10 minutes or so.
Waiting for Daam now. Hope it's good.
Ditto but unlike you I, sadly, have totally lost interest and hence my episode of watching Vasl every Saturday has come to a grinding halt. Unfortunate this and I wish Mehreen Jabbar all the best for Daam. Looks good I tell ya :D
I agree that this misconception there is that families and value systems are destroyed when children are raised in the West must be removed because it just isn't true. More than anything kids can get a varied perspective by interacting with people from different religions, countries, ethnicities and have a wider world view.
You know what? I'm going to venture on to say I slightly disagree no matter how blasphemous I may sound. If you think about it, why is that we think family values, respect, cultural patriotism and religion go haywire the moment you pack your lodgings and fly to the West? Clearly environment plays a role in harmony with the developmental age. If an expact's kid is born and raised in the West, unless the expact in focus is deeply devoted to his cultural beliefs miraculously, this kid is always slightly more on the brink of destruction than, say, a kid born and raised in Pakistan. And the environment, the sort of exposure a kid receives day in and day out, the ambiance, the people, the classmates all are prime factors for the way his thinking is going to be shaped and tuned for the rest of his life. Western life thrives on things like clubs, parties, drugs, relationships and even though such acts of blasphemy do exist in Pakistan, for example, they are still not as common or as ordinary when you compare or perhaps just done in enough a limelight for a normal 8 year old to notice. And if anyone does argue with what is said above, then I believe that even with the existence of such worldly distractions, there's always your family -ranging from mum, dad to third, fourth and what not lineage of cousins - who are there to perhaps try and remind you of reality i.e something to hold you back. To top it, in the West there is the whole idea of mum and dad both working their butts off to get themselves out of the debt load which leaves the kids craving for attention and totally ignored which then ultimately leads them to follow what every white kid does i.e succumb to peer pressure and just go along with the flow. The same scenario, i.e both the parents working, could be applied in Pakistan too yet, like I said before, there's always someone be it your third cousin's mum or summat who is there. Just look at the stats- compare how many kids in a class goes clubbing in USA vs Pakistan. You'll see the difference.
At the end of the day though, so is what happens for the majority. Like anything, there's always exceptions and ultimately really depends on the person in question himself. Does he/she want to change? Have the kid received enough tuning in his/her developmental age to be able to discriminate what is wrong and what is right? All this drastically depends on parental nurturing ofcourse and not directly west or east but the argument is that parental attention is, most of the time, closer to the zero end of the scale in the West in addition to the West boasting more resources, peer pressure and the likes.
Man this has gotten long. Sorry just my two cents. Way offtopic I know...
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did anyone watch the latest episode? O boy, I hope the teenager doesn't do anything crazy to the little girl. I don't like the direction the drama is heading to. :-\
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I'm still watching this drama. The cast has acted well and the story is good. Though I will add, a little slow in parts... perhaps because we like watching a drama until the the guy and girl get married (Adeel & Marina, Hina & Salman). I like the 13 episode dramas. But it's at episode 16 I believe, and the story isn't bad. It seems like it's coming to an end soon. The story isn't unrealistic, it's relevant.
I really cant stand Marina anymore, she was so cool before she married adeel, and now she is just a crazy loony feminist who thinks everything any pakistani male says is an attack on women and women's rights....she is just plain annoying....uffff
^^ She had almost written her name in the list of divorcees... her mamoo just saved her in time:
"1) You started your studies and he accommodate with it.
2) You went for your job / outdoor activities and he compromised with that.
3) You refused to get him fatherhood and he could not do anything.
In reply, he didn't even receive a single word of thanks from you!!
Who did suffer in fact? You or Him?? " :@:
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^ab to dono theek ho gai :D
Adeel was already OK..
marina ki aqal thikane aa gayi mamoo ke aaena dikhane pe
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adeel ka b demagh kuch kharab ho gaya tha...ab theek hwa hai
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yes... whenever marina annoys him by a rude behaviour, definitely he has to stop her
OMG, her behaviour like this is unbearable :uffff...
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adeel apni sis k baray mai bhi bohat conservative hay..he doesn't want her to meet her kids
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here his approach is totally wrong.. no doubt
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us ki poori aqal thikanay a jai gi...when he'll become a father lol
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marina still hesitates to become a mother of a child as she fears to get fatty …uff
kaisi approach hai ye? 
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no prob...adeel doesn't mind it..:D
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btw she looks cute being fatty...