[VARIOUS THREADS MERGED]Al-Qaeda in India

Does Indian Muslim not share the Pak-Arab Islamic sentiments against the West and America in particular? The article explains that it is easy to misguide a Muslim living in a closed society.

Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

Or Indian Muslims reject the common sentiments shared by Pak-Arab Muslims?

Why are there no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda? There are no easy answers. But there are two probable reasons. One is the assurance of a level-playing field for all citizens in India because of the success of the democratic system. The other is the absence of American influence on Indian policy all through the Cold War years and, to a large extent, even now.

To start with the second, it has been observed that a majority of the terrorists come from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and some of the North African countries. What is common about these countries is the lack of a genuine democracy, despite the adherence to form, and longstanding virtual patron-client links with the US. What is more, these two factors are interconnected.

A basic reason why the military or feudal autocrats control these countries is that the US propped them up to serve its economic and diplomatic interests. It was either the presence of oil or their utility as frontline states against the Soviet Union that guided the Americans.

As is known, Osama bin Laden, a Saudi millionaire, was an American ally when his band of fundamentalists fought the Soviets in Afghanistan. It is the cynical use of these countries by Washington that built up a reservoir of resentment among large sections of their people against the US.

This anger may have become all the more intense because there were no democratic outlets - no parliament, opposition parties, a free press and a free judiciary - to let off steam.

The difference between India and these countries is obvious. India’s ‘noisy democracy’, as an American newspaper recently put it, ensures that all segments of public opinion - anti-US, pro-US, neutral - are routinely aired.

Besides, during the Cold War, India was regarded by the US and the West as being in the anti-American camp despite its claims to be non-aligned. This perception gave India a certain dignified status in the eyes of its own people since the Western world was still seen as being engaged in a colonial enterprise.

The pro-American countries seemingly lacked this sense of self-esteem, as was evident from the title of one of America’s favourite dictator Ayub Khan’s book, “Friends, Not Masters”.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1186717.cms

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

Easy they were all killed in Gujrat.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

Indian muslims are too busy making fortunes in IT industry that is booming, they dont have time for thuggery. They outsourced that work to paki-muslims.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

Yeap! RSS is the local Rep of Ben-La-Deen, and they prefer Brahmins to any other Baha-Rat-i let alone a Musalmaan.

Just like Qaeda destroyed centuries old Buddahs, these Baha-Rat-i goons are destroying centuries old mosques. Burning middle class moderate Muslmaans is the the prime objective of Moodi Raam and his Baha-Rat-i RS$hite goons. Talk about terrorism when the king of the biggest party is charged with destroying Baha-Rat-i heritage. The one-eyed Mullah Omer must be proud of his pupil Advani.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

because indian muslims are smarter than other muslims (read: neighbors). they don't get sucked into idiocy like the rest.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

has everyone lost their mind. How can one claim that none of the indian muslims are in Al-qaeda? Does the writer and typical islam haters (anjaan, talwar etc) have done a complete and exhaustive account of all al-qaeda memebers? maybe they should go ahead and get a cushy job at CIA and FBI and help allevaite the problem....morons

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

its simple. pak has ppl with kaleem's mindset - shoot first ask later. indians are mild. kaleem mian, learn some islam from indian muslims.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

Yeap! Bharatis don’t shoot, they just bring in petrol and burn the Muslim Ar$es.

2000+ moderate middle class Muslims killed, thousands raped, and 30,000+ thrown in concentration camps. This is all because Bharatis are rather queer-i-mild.

Bharati rule: Burn and rape first and ask later.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

obl, its all relative brother. indians burned merely 3000 kalay kalootay indian muslims. pak killed 3000 every day for a few months. need i say more? yes, your avg indian is milder and more grown up than your avg pakistani.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

The answer is simple...India is a democracy. Where muslims are catered to even beyond the normal accomodation of other minorities. Tom Friedman put it best when he said, "even while Gujrat was burning....peace prevailed across the country where muslims make up 14% of the population" that in a country with a Population over a billion. He continues to write that "muslims in India have the system that allows for freedoms they would never have anywhere in the muslim world" oh the irony!!!!!! :D

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

indian muslims :hug:
paki paindoo suicide bombers :2guns:

Indian al-Qaida plotter jailed

Is Bin Ladin in India?

London 9/11 plotter jailed

From Raekha Prasad in Delhi

AN INDIAN man was jailed in Bombay yesterday for plotting to fly passenger jets into the House of Commons and Tower Bridge in London on September 11, 2001

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,3-1705386,00.html

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

^ oh, such sad timing.. just now people were talking about the miracles of democracy..

anyway, threads merged, no point in talking about this in two threads.

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coud you guys get off gujraat/bangladesh? please stay on topic hereon.

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Rahman, 86, the school’s leader, turns to history when he talks about why India’s Deobandis are different from their cousins across the border. He explains that the seminary opposed the creation of Pakistan, a Muslim homeland.

“We are Indians first, then Muslims,” he said, speaking in Urdu.

But asked whether he would rather line in Afghanistan under Taliban rule, or in secular India, Rehman did not hesitate. “India is our motherland,” he said. “And we love it”.

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**Indian police check mobiles for Osama video **

Police in the northern Indian city of Kanpur are randomly checking the contents of mobile phones after video clips showing a rally by Osama bin Laden, the September 11 2001 attacks, and execution-style killings were circulated. The two clips, which run for a total of 57 seconds, have been spreading around the city of almost three million people in Uttar Pradesh. They show edited portions of videos allegedly released by al-Qaida, senior police superintendent Prabhat Meena said. “Orders have been issued to start random checking of cell phones. If anyone is found carrying the Osama MMS, he will be charged with sedition,” Mr Meena said. He added that the MMS, or multimedia message, could be used to win sympathisers for al-Qaida and spread religious hatred. “We are baffled at the origin of this Osama clip and are trying to locate its source,” he said.

Kanpur, an industrial hub 50 miles south of the state capital, Lucknow, has been the scene of riots between India’s majority Hindus and minority Muslims. About 40% of its population is Muslim. The city is also home to the headquarters of the outlawed Students Islamic Movement of India, a militant organisation that Indian officials say has ties with terror groups in Kashmir. Mr Meena said the first clip showed militants riding on a tank and firing into the air, followed by pictures of Osama bin Laden firing a gun and motivating his followers to take part in jihad. It ends with pictures of the September 11 2001 attacks accompanied by the message “Thousands killed, al-Qaida strikes.” The second clip shows images allegedly of a US soldier slitting the throat of an Iraqi man and then severing his head, as well as suspected militants shooting an American woman in the head from point-blank range, he said. Sanjay Dutta, a pharmaceutical company employee, said he had received the clips and quickly deleted them. “It did not have the senders’ number or any identity showing from where it came,” he said. Last week, police in Kanpur arrested an insurance company manager and four colleagues for allegedly using posters of bin Laden with Kalashnikov automatic rifles to motivate workers.

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indian govt hasnt had a policy to brainwash muslims into becoming cannon fodder for other people's battles, pak govt on the other hand has had a very elaborate policy of churning out "mujahideen". the show has just begun with the mujs coming home to roost.

Re: [MERGED]Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?/Indian Al Qaeda Plotter Jailed

this thread isnt about the respective governments policies towards training mujahidin queer. this isnt an india bashing thread started by a pakstani, it was opened by an indian, postulating that there is no al qaeda oriented sentiment in india, backed with the idea that indian muslims are free and democracy and friedman and whatnot.

if you wish to talk about something else, or talk about pakistan, i suggest you open a different topic.

any replies hereon, touching directly or obliquely on Pakistan, will be removed.

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http://web.mid-day.com/news/world/2004/march/78687.htm

Two Indians arrested for Spain blasts

The Madrid police have arrested two Indians — Vinay Kohli and Suresh Kumar — in connection with last Thursday’s train explosions. They have been arrested along with three Moroccans over the series of blasts in four commuter trains that killed over 200 and left over 1,500 injured. “Kohli and Kumar have been living in Barcelona for the past few years and hold Indian passports,” said Krish Wright, a journalist with AFP. “They are being held in a Madrid police station.”

Under Spanish anti-terrorism laws, a person can be kept for questioning in police custody for three days before they are produced before a judge. “The interior ministry believes the two Indians helped plan the blasts, though their exact role is still to be ascertained,” said Wright. Though reports indicate that the five suspects arrested may be linked to al-Qaeda, Wright said that no concrete links have been established yet. The Moroccans have been identified as Jamal Zugam, Mohammad Bekkali Butaliha and Mohammad Shawi. The suspects were arrested after detectives found a backpack full of explosives, a mobile phone and a pre-paid card on one of four bombed trains. It was the only bag of explosives that did not go off —10 others did. The suspects were traced on the basis of the cell phone in it.

It is unclear if the two Indians are directly linked to al-Qaeda —and it is highly unlikely that they are. A local newspaper said that the two may be blackmarketeers who may have unknowingly supplied the mobile phones and the SIM card. The Indian embassy in Spain was, however, clueless about the arrest of the two Indians. “The Spanish government has not intimated us on the arrest of the Indians,” said a spokesperson for the embassy. The External Affairs Ministry in New Delhi also claimed it has not received any information.

Re: Why there are no Indian Muslims in al Qaeda?

No wonder why Indians are leading the population chart. Lets start burning the tamil nadu…oh wait there’s an easy option…kill all the males and females will jump into the fire to show their support as part of the religion.