Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
Wrong,Do you know how lucknow was in prepartition india? This needs another thread as the information you have given is wrong.
You can read deobandi aqaidh regarding ALLAH here Aqaid e Ahle Sunnat wal Jama’at By Shaykh Mufti Muhammad Tahir Masood
Can you give me reference of the bolded part?
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Peace Sa1eem brother
It is all well and good that you know “your” aqeedah better than me … but the problem is you are not referring to your “Ahl-us-Sunnah - Barelvi” books of aqeedah - instead you have given me your own ijtihad on the matter by presenting me the verses. As far as I know the Barelvis I know accept Aqeedah At-Tahawiya like I do and this is what is states in there:
63 – He is clear of being attributed with having limits, nor ends, nor having parts, nor organs, nor limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are
Explanation:
This is clear in stating the Muslim’s belief that unites of measurements cannot apply to Him, whether it is distance, time or otherwise. No ends, no restrictions, no confinement in space or place, no organs, no parts, no limbs, nor do the six directions apply to Him. The six directions are above, below, front, back, right and left. All these things are a creation of Allah, and a creation cannot be an attribute to The Creator. That would mean that The Creator and the creation are equal in that attribute which contradict the Qur’an, Sunnah, the sound intellect, and the meaning of God.
Explanation by Shaykh Al-Ninowy
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*Please read my last post again. *
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**63 – He is clear of being attributed with having limits, nor ends, nor having parts, nor organs, nor limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are
So, if Allah has no limits, no ends, neither he is contained by any direction (as mentioned above)… than it is clear that … Allah engulfs everything he created in all directions .. as no direction or space can contain him … that means Allah is everywhere, as being or thing that is not present everywhere is contained by direction and space to exist at a place somewhere … so how can it is possible that Allah is not everywhere and would be contained somewhere in any direction?
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Actually, those who give direction to Allah, contains Allah in that direction, and those who give space (Allah is somewhere and not everywhere) contains Allah in space. In both cases, they also give perimeter to Allah … that means outer boundary or body of some sort, as such body with perimeter is needed for a being to have direction and place in space.
Those who have no direction nor any space is containing them, they are everywhere, and that being is only one, that is Allah, not contained by any direction or space … the one whose existence has no ends in time, space or distance. Actually, they are beyond direction or place … as they are beyond time, space and distance.****
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I’ll avoid any reply to these points to avoid flooding the thread with each others thoughts. We know where are stood and our responsibilities. Continued reminders are good
Well they would, to be seen of men, distance themselves it still appears in some new literature. Its still there for the majority afaik, it is known as a deobandi belief so deobandis (Abdul deobandis) defend it. However please note the attempt. I am presenting this as a an example of the attempt of the Munafiqeen, in that they tried to introduce such a thing.
We call Kazzab the LIAR, so imkan e kadhib is a serious matter. The people of Islam once again stood up against them, as was needed. It is through the hard work of the Ahlus Sunnah [Barelvi] that we put up some kind of opposition to this rampage. I commend this courage over, much over newer Muslims such as Hamza and Hakim. This is in reply to your polemics suggestion. Defending Aqeedah is for the more ‘responsible’ Scholars, Real Scholars, so you can enjoy your dhikr, spirituality.
The Sunni position is that it is impossible for Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala since lying is a defect and Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala is free from defects
My understanding of the issue is:
1 impossible for Allah - Sunni Belief
2 intrinsically possible but does not - deviant belief
3 …can lie - kufr, further statements required to determine if Kaffir
4 …does lie - Kaffir
deobandis are upon no 2, and this is how they were dealt with and are being dealt with. Overall deobandis are not regarded as Kaffirs for this, although it might actually be the case, The Shariah did not permit the fatwa of Kufr for their belief upon uproar and investigation
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
Peace Sa1eem
Your understanding is correct but I feel the choice of language is wrong …
As far as the logicians are concerned “everywhere” means “all places” you saying “everywhere” does not mean all places so that is fine with me … you see, this is how easy it is to accept people - and that is how you should treat others too … try to understand giving benefit of doubt to the other.
So you see I believe in the same point of aqeedah so what is the problem? Is your table correct? If so we need to understand what it is we are refuting … agreed I heard some Salafis say - Allah (SWT) is over the Throne, what they mean by that - it is better to ask them.
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
You are making too much of aqeedah at-Tahawawi. This is a simple text that all schools claim to adhere to. Has not stopped deobandi claims on shirk and kufr. Has not stopped takfir in the past, nor is there Taqlid in Aqeedah
Taqlid is in Fiqh only, not aqeedah. Aqeedah must be like The Prophets SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam.
So would you like to judge deobandis on on At-Tahawi text or Islamic Aqeedah? If takfir was as simple as Tahawi text we wouldn’t need anyone to claim someone is kaffir or not kaffir
I’ll comment on gf haddad later, many people are no longer endorsing the takfir. gf haddad is actually a follower of the deobandi elders and vouches for them as embassadors of piety which is in direct contradiction with our belief
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Not all Deobandis still accept that position - but this is a very nice post thank you … 
JazakAllahukhair
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
Brother Salaam.
Actually, I believe that Allah is everywhere, at all places. Only thing is that, according to our belief, Allah is not a created being, have no physical body. His presence is beyond most people’s understanding, but nevertheless he is there, everywhere place and space exists.
When we say that something reached Allah, it is not about reaching after covering a measurable distance, but between Allah and his creations there are layers and layers of curtains. Reaching Allah is passing through these curtains towards Allah … not travelling physical or measurable distance.
Since Allah is everywhere, one cannot give any direction to him, neither can restrict him within perimeter or body. His presence in every sense is unrestricted without any sort of constraint or confinements. His existence do not even depends on his creation being there or not (that includes arsh, farsh, kursi or whatever), as he is beyond the existence of his creation, neither depends in anyway on his creations, and that is the reason, his state never changes, be that before he created anything or after he destroys all his creation, that is why we believe that Allah is what he was and will be what he is.
Actually, people who give direction to Allah, contains Allah in that direction, and those who give place to Allah (claiming that Allah is somewhere and not everywhere), contains Allah at a particular place in space. In both cases, these people (knowingly or unknowingly) give perimeter to Allah … that means outer boundary or body of some sort to Allah, as only body with perimeter would have direction and can be constrained in place needing space. Such being cannot be creator, as such being would be depending on space for own existence, and certainly space would be bigger for such being to create. Further, when space is bigger than such being, could have other beings along with such being, and that means, such being is not all powerful and may not be without partners.
In Islam, we believe that Allah created everything, has no partners neither could have partners, is most powerful, and depends on nothing. So, people with such belief, that Allah is not everywhere but is at a place in particular direction, cannot be Muslim (at best, they are misguided Muslims).
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Wassalam again brother … To clarify my position … I DO indeed say the blue part but I do not confirm the red part … I say Allah (SWT) is not everywhere and He is not in any particular direction. For me saying Allah (SWT) is everywhere is the same as saying He is in a particular direction. And that is how it is understood by the logicians also.
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
shah ismail delvi [known as shaheed by deobandis and ahle hadis] held Kaffir beliefs, and was taken as such by some scholars. but He is imam of deobandi elders who do not recognize the kufr in his writings. like gf haddad does with deobandi elders, they do with shah ismail but the link between shah ismail and deoband is stronger.
Imam Ahmad Raza Khan recognized shah ismail’s kufr but did not pass the fatwa of kufr upon him because it was rumored [not confirmed but rumored] that shah ismail had made tauba at the time of death
shah ismails writing are to be taken as writings of kufr, talib ur rehman [ahle hadis] confirmed this and would not accept him as a ahle hadis imam (deobandis are built upon accepting him). He is actually an imam to both ahle hadis and deobandis
gf haddad defends both deobandi elders. This abdul deoband is also a liar and a confused liar from what i quoted from this in the other thread. I’ll repost his remark here:
*“..At the same time, unfortunately for the Umma in our day, certain grave errors have crept into Deobandi beliefs and practices themselves, such as the verbatim attribution to Allah Almighty of imkane-kadhib i.e. the “ability to lie” (may He be exalted beyond what they describe!) and similarly ugly, innovated expressions and concepts that are rightly deemed as tantamount to disparaging the Holy Prophet Muhammad, upon him blessings and peace – Allah is our refuge from perdition. Most if not all of these errors originate from the pen of Shah Ismail al-Dihlawi (1193-1246/1779-1830)…”
*I wish to point out ‘‘crept into’’ is not applicable, grave errors it is but lets see an honest application of it instead of lying to say ‘‘crept in’’. THEY DID NOT CREEP IN people are demanding they be ridden now after its introduction by early deobandis!!! So gf haddad is not honest, is more of a propaganda-nist who is trying to defend deobandis
The above attribute of lying of gf haddad is also applicable on the second part of his paragraph: *.“..and similarly ugly, innovated expressions and concepts that are rightly deemed as tantamount to disparaging the Holy Prophet Muhammad, upon him blessings and peace – Allah is our refuge from perdition. Most if not all of these errors originate from the pen of Shah Ismail al-Dihlawi (1193-1246/1779-1830)…”
*errors which originate from shah ismail but also exist in deobandi elders who are not known to have made tauba! So he haddad criticizes shah ismail but not deobandi elders. This is nifaaq upon nifaaq. and he confirms the deobandis have been ‘‘righly deemed’’ to have had ugly, innovated expressions. So ugly innovators and yet he fails to condemn them. This, gf haddad, my friends is a Munafiq
From memory i read from him once, he writes on lots of online portals, that he cannot make takfir of deobandi elders because his uloom goes through one of them. I say ok pal, Islam will wait with concern for your uloom
Elsewhere he writes:
*“..What I know about the scholars of India listed above and below is that they are pure Sunnis…”
*liar liar
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Brother, I liked your statement … Allah is everywhere is the same as saying that Allah is in particular direction.
If I apply same logic than in Surah 2:115 Allah gave direction to himself.
Quran 2:115 (Yusuf Ali): To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing.
So, here it is:
You look towards east you will find presence of Allah … so Allah gave a direction to himself, that is east.
You look towards west you will find presence of Allah … so Allah gave a direction to himself, that is west.
You look towards north you will find presence of Allah … so Allah gave a direction to himself, that is north.
You look towards south you will find presence of Allah … so Allah gave a direction to himself, that is south.
and so on …
In other words … Allah has direction.
Actually, for something to have direction, there has to be exclusion where that things do not exists.
When something is everywhere, you cannot give direction to that something, because that something is in all direction and there is no exclusion of any direction for that something.
But when something is not everywhere than you can give that something direction, as you have exclusion of direction for that something, and that exclusion is in the direction that something is not present.
It is just like, you have water on 3 sides, right, left and front, and dry land on one direction, behind you. Then you can say that water is on your right, on your left and on your front (3 directions). In this way, you can tell that there is no water behind you.
But when water is in all direction (everywhere around you), you cannot say that water is in any particular direction, as there is no exclusion.
Just imagine, if you are on a plane flying, and space is everywhere around the plane, no one can say that space is in such direction of the plane. But when talking about moon, it is not everywhere, so you can give direction.
Waisay chalayin, aap khush rahain. We can only discuss and try to convince, that is all. Rest is up to us to believe and follow.
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
Peace Sidi vroom
Please leave this bad mouthing of scholars … 
Sh. GF Haddad is a well decorated scholar … He has over 150 ijazas … how many do you have? Or the people who you have been quoting?
Why is it that my Shaykh and my wife’s Shaykh (hareem01) who you say are both from Ahl-us-Sunnah yet you can say this about this individual? Both my wife’s Shaykh and my Shaykh are GF Haddad’s teachers …
Below I have pasted a piece about Shaykh GF Haddad from the site that you also quote from - SeekersGuidance and I also study from them too …
You claim to be respecting the and honouring the scholars but all I see is reduction and separation at every turn …
It was in this same year that he met his teacher Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani of Cyprus, from whom he took the Naqshbandi tariqah. Shortly thereafter, he met Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, who guided him to begin his path in seeking sacred knowledge.
He went on to studyfor about a decade in Damascus, under many esteemed scholars such as Shaykh Nur Al Din Itr, Shaykh Adib Kallas, Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqubi, Shaykh Abd Al-Hadi Kharsa, Dr Samer Al-Nass and Dr. Muhammad Muti Al-Hafiz.
He is now an accomplished scholar, religious leader, author and Arabic translator and was listed amongst the 500 Most Influential Muslims In The World. He holds ijazas from over 150 scholars across the Muslim world.
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i have taken some information from his writings, i also quote deobandis, and deobandi sites
You brought the subject up, i gave you my genuine response. I will back my response. Its a long held view on gf haddad. he has sunni beliefs, sure, but that is not everything
And ultimately there will be difference between me and any other shaykh or layman depending on our stances. i can not guarantee that my position will be respectful. If x shaykh confirms he believes in two ilahs I WILL call him a Mushrik
yep
and i still back my statement on him. It is said that we should not bad mouth other peoples shaykhs. I am not aware on the details of that
As a fellow of gf haddad in creation i have given you my opinion of him [details are provided], only after he provided details on himself.
Many of those listed will have students who are willing to back the fatwa of kufr made by indian ulema. And if they are not willing to enter into discussion on the matter [meaning silence] that is ok. if they enter with support or denial then that would enter them into a potential controversy with one side or another
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This is another historical prospective on the issue:
This is by another Haqqani Naqshbandi. Its historic and general outlook i can certainly agree with. There is two different types of attack/badmouthing scholars, one is badmouthing scholars of the past, one is badmouthing celebrity future ones.
attack on ulema (shakyhs) of ahle sunnat jamat ?
**attack on ahle sunnat jamat
Allah, in Whose Name we begin, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
We send countless blessings upon the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), Peace and
Blessings of Allah be upon his Family & Companions and all his true followers. Aameen.
**INTRODUCTION
Mujaddid of Islam A’laa Hazrat Maulana Imam Ahmad Raza Khan—Alaihir Ramah war Ridwaan of
Bareilly Shareef, gave a fatwa that statements written by certain scholars ( associated with the
madrasah deoband founders etc ) in their books. Were kufr. He sent this to the ulema of harmain
shareef (Mecca and medina shareef) for endorsement which they did saying if they indeed said these
statements they where kafir committing kufr by maligning and insulting the holy prophet (sallal laahu
alaihi wasallam) this was not done lightly by al hazret alaihir Ramah.
Being a profound alim he knew the consequences and understood that he had no choice because
their statements were clear kufr prior to the issue of the fatwa for many years a dialogue had insured
giving these deobandi scholars the opportunity to refute these allegations that is if they had not
written or endorsed these statements or the scribes had made errors or to make tawba (forgiveness).
They did neither of the above and continued to print these books and reprint them in Urdu with the
erroneous statements. It was only after they where given ample opportunity to reply which they
choose not to
Then this fatwa was given against them. The job of an alim is to distinguish between right and wrong
and show people this is what all the mujjadidds did from the times of imam Hasan imam Hussein imam
Ahmed ibn hanbal imam Sarfuddin nawawi imam Ghazali maulana taj uddin Subki shah haq Muhaddis
delvi alahi Ramah tu ala ajmaeen to name a few. What these deobandis did when they where
exposed was to adopt a policy of deceiving Muslims. Buy writing books with the believe of ahle sunnat
jamat and sending to these ulema of Mecca and medina shareef and claiming that whatever was
written in that book was there creed belief. But still to this day they carry on reprinting those same
statements of kufr and when they are challenged they present the same book they presented to the
ulema of harmain shareef and say this is our belief.
It is time for some of our Arab ulema to get someone they trust to translate these statements from
their books and they will have no choice but to declare such statements kufr and the one writing them
as kafir if the present-day deobandis regard themselves Sunni’s and not wahabbis then it is time for them to denounce these statements of the elders publicly and stop this charade at acting like wolves in sheeps clothing and acting like ewe between two rams. Instead they the deobandis are saying
Bareillys are making fitna (causing trouble) its a subcontinent problem its a Pakistani - Indian culture.
Kufr is kufr doesn’t matter what language you speak or what nationality you are or what social status
you are.
Qadi ayad al maliki alaihi Ramah in ashifa and the writers of all major fiqh books of hanafi`s fatwa
alamgiri radd ul-muktar ajma ul muslimeen an shabmahu (sallaho alaihi wasallam) kafir wa shaka fi
azabi kufrihi kufr he who maligns the holy prophet (sallaho alaihi wasallam) has rejected faith and he
who doubts his rejection (kufr) will himself become a rejecter of deen (kafir) this is a statement of
consensus of the ulema of ahle sunnat jamat. From the above statement of doctrine towards those
who malign the holy prophet (sallaho alaihi wasallam) al hazret imam Ahmed raza khan alai Ramah
had no choice but to issue a fatwa of kufr on these people because he knew full well what they had
written and said if he had not opposed them he would have become a rejecter of deen
Now these deobandis who have a worldwide budget being funded by the wahabbi regime of Saudi Arabia go on deceiving simple Muslims around the world with there tabligh jamaat calling people through ibaddadt and recitation of the kalimah posing as hanafis there intentions is eventually
making them wahabbis once they have gained there trust taking them away from the core beliefs of
ahle sunnat jamat to the beliefs of the wahabbis so a person ends up muqalid following the hanafi
madhab but the aqida of wahabbis beliefs. And that will make you out of the folds of Islam.
Cited below or just a few of there quotation in books still available today (only from deobandi
madrasah or designated book publishers) the holy prophet (sallaho alaihi wasallam) there will be
people on the gates of jahanam calling people in. Read well and recognize the insults on Almighty
Allah and His Beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), at the hands of these
deobandi Scholars! And judge for yourself the misdeeds of these misguided scholars.
A good scholar is the best of mankind. The bad scholar is the worst of mankind. Men’s happiness and
disaster depend upon scholars. A great man once saw Satan sitting unoccupied and asked why he
was unoccupied. Satan replied, the heretical scholars of the present age are occupied in doing my
work for me. They do not leave any work for me to lead people astray." (Imam Rabbani, Maktubaat)
**KUFR STATEMENTS BY DEOBANDIS
Allah can tell a lie. (Fataawa Rasheediyah, Vol. 1, page 19)
The Kufr in the above statements are so apparent that even a lay-Muslim will have absolutely no
doubts regarding their Kufr. However, 370 of the most prominent scholars of India and 32 of the
highest Islamic Jurist of Makkah and Medina issued a Fatwa of Kufr on this movement and its followers
93 years ago, long before the present Saudi Wahhabi Najdis came into power and turned everything
upside-down. In fact, in those days Deobandis were held in the same contempt as Qadianis are held
today by Muslims (i.e. as non-Muslims), but time, history and the Devils handy-work have managed to
conceal the truth of this movement from the general Muslim populace of today.
Deobandis and Tableegh Jamaat are seen as heroes of Islam in our time, whereas only 94 years ago
they were considered outside of the fold of Islam. In the statements of Kufr, the great Imaam of Ahle
Sunnat Wal Jamaat, Imaam Ahmad Raza Khan (alaihir rahma), listed 70 charges of Kufr with proofs
against each of the foul-mouthed Mullahs of Deoband and further presented 78 reasons justifying
their Kufr and always keeping in mind the Hadith: A Muslim should not be labelled a Kaafir unless his
Kufr becomes more apparent than the midday sun and their remains no chance of his continuing to
remain within the fold of Islam.
However, when the above-mentioned statements were carefully scrutinized, the leading Imaams and
Jurists of Islam had no hesitation in declaring them as Kaafir, and warned in no uncertain terms that
ANY PERSONS WHO DOUBTS THE KUFR OF THESE PEOPLE WILL THEMSELVES BECOME
KAFFIR. The names of the Ulama of Makka and Medina who issued the Kufr Fatwa on the Ulema of
Deoband in 1320 A.H. (1900 A.D.) are listed below. And for a detailed explanation of the Fatwa read
Tahmeed-e-Imaan and Mustataab Husaamul Haramain alaa Manher-ul-Kufr wal main.
**Fatwa’s from medina shareef and Mecca shareef
ULAMA OF MAKKAH SHAREEF
Ustaad-e-Haram - Mufti Muhammad Saeed Shafe
Sayedul Ulama - Moulana Mufti Sheikh Ahmed Abul Khair Mirdad
Mufti Hanafia - Allama Sheihk Saleh Kamaal
Mufti - Sheikh Ali bin Siddiq Kamaal
Sheikud Dalail - Mufti Muhammed Abdul Haq Al-Mujahir Al-Llabadi
Mufti Sayed Ismail Khaleel - Librarian of Mecca
Allama Mufti - Saeed Abul Hoosen Al-Marzuki
Mufti Sheikh Abid bin Husain Maaliki
Mufti Ali bin Husain Maaliki
Mufti Muhammed Jamaal bin Muhhamed Husain
Mufti Sheikh Asad bin Ahmed Daha -Teacher Haram Shareef Makkah
Mufti Sheikh Abdur Rahman Dahan
Mufti Sheikh Muhammed Yusuf Afghani
Mufti Sheikh Ahmed Al-Maaliki Al-Imdadi - Brother in Tariqat of Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Rashid Ahmed
Gangohi and Khalil Ahmed Ambhetwi
Mufti Muhammed Yusuf Al-Khayaat
Sheikh Muhammed Saleh bin Muhammed Ba-fazal
Sheikh Abdul Karim Naji Dagistani
Sheikh Muhammed Saeed bin Muhhamed Al-Yamani
Mufti Sheikh Haamid Muhammed Al-Jadawi
**ULAMA OF MEDINA SHAREEF
Mufti Hanafia - Tajuddin Liyas
Mufti of Madina - Allama Osman bin Abdus Salaam Dadistani
Sheikh-e-Maalikia - Mufti Sayed Ahmed of Algeria
Mufti Khaleel bin Ibrahim Karbooti
Shaikhud Dalail - Mufti Sayed Muhammed Saeed
Mufti Sheikh Mehmood bin Ahmed Omari
Shaikhud Dalail - Mufti Sayed Abbas bin Sayed Jaleel
Mufti Skeikh Omar bin Hamdaan Al-Maharasee
Mufti Sayed Hakeem Muhammed bin Muhaamed Madani
Mufti Sheikh Muhammed Kiyan - teacher Haram Shareef Madina
Mufti Shafaeiya - Allama Sayed Shareef Ahmed Barzanji
Mufti Muhammed Aziz Maaliki - of Tunisia
Mufti Sheikh Abdul Qader Taufeeq - Teacher Masjid-e-Nabawi Shareef
We can fill a volume with misguided beliefs, but what has been presented here is sufficient for any
believing person. The following are the books and authors who have insulted the Holy Prophet
Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) time and time again.
Readers are requested that in view of the WARNING by the leading Imaams and Islamic Jurists of
Haramain Shareefain, they should NOT DOUBT the Kufr of these Ulama of Deoband and expose their
own Imaan to danger. The time has arrived for us to accept the truth and confront falsehood. We
should be exposing the enemy within, who has had a safe haven amongst us, without us ever
questioning or investigating the truth about them.
It is the duty of every Muslim to confront these evil people. May Allah give Muslims the wisdom and
courage to accepts the truth and save them from supporting and praying behind those who speak ill
of Allah and His Beloved Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
When fitna becomes widespread, he who knows the truth must inform others, should he not do so,
may he be accursed by Allah and by all people.
(al-muwaata hadith 59.1)
So it’s about time we stopped using the subcontinent Pakistani argument and recognizing there kufr, if
it was a subcontinent Pakistani argument do you think the ulema from mekka madina would have put
their name on the fatwa. Now you know the truth beware of these devils they are wolfs dressed in
sheeps clothing.
They might claim to celebrate mawlid read darood and follow other ahle sunnat jamat actions. but
their belief is of Wahhabi and this is a sign of a true munafiq.
We ask all sincere Muslims to denounce and reject such scholars and all their followers. In particular
we appeal to those weak Sunni Muslims who have been deceived by these Deobandi devils to wake-
up and guard the honor of our beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
It is now the duty of us ordinary Sunni Muslims to safeguard the correct Islamic beliefs of the Ahle
Sunnat Wal Jamaat by the Grace of Allah, for the sake of His Beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal
laahu alaihi wasallam) and with the supplications of the Awliya Allah and the knowledge of our good
hard-working Ulama.
May Almighty Allah protect our Imaan from these deobandi scholars
**********attack-on-ulema-of-ahle-sunnat-jamat
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Peace brother vroom
Did you check these references from the source books before reproducing them? I have not seen them so I can say anything about this post …
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
Do you mean the deobandi beliefs listed in the article? They are meant to be a sunni outlook on deobandi beliefs. They show deviance but whether all them would individually constitute a fatwa of kufr would be dependent on other factors. In this manner some may escape and some not qualify for an actual fatwa of kufr. Some may be worse then described
I do not doubt something along those lines was said.
How do you feel about the historic aspect, the takfir and in how deobandis caused an uproar in the community including the scholars?
I read from a deobandi book that people would wash the Mosques after a deobandi had spoke in them.
Salam
Do you think i was fair with gf haddad in the criticism i made of him? I know you disagree with my citing hypocrisy but i mean other aspects of the criticism
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Salam Sidi
Not at all, criticism is not fair of scholars … I respect my teachers … And I was offended
But I know you feel obliged to do that …
My point earlier is that before copy pasting from a random site … Please ascertain the name of the poster, the source and confirm it is true … I can’t say either way if I agree or not, because I have not read those books.
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Psyah are you in touch with gf haddad? Within the last few hours they have taken down the Imam Raza Khan article on its sunnah.org site, although gf haddad had already added his own alterations to it from before.
Google Search
http://sunnah.org/articles/Imam_raza_ahmed_khan.htm
out with the old in with the new i think
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
Which school would Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and Dr Zakir Naik belong to?
Re: various ‘schools’ of thought in Islam
More like Wahhabi/salafi I don’t think that they follow any imams.