Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective

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Re: Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective

@mercenary2k

Regardless, you cannot dismiss this celebration by your own narrow views

Peace again

The dismissing has been done herein, but this section is reserved for that “regardless” … a tacit agreement I see no doubt … yep … the article was counter-intuitive!

@mercenary2k

What is best is written in the quran and no where does it say to execute Apostates

As I said the topic of execution of apostates is a red-herring it does not belong here … right now we are talking about who we most resemble.

@mercenary2k

So, celebrating Pakistan’s independence day is a form of worship or celebrating Basant is a form or worship

These celebrations are pointless and inevitably take people away from the remembrance of God, I did not say that they were a form of worship I said that the concept of ‘celebration’ is a form of worship according to Islam … it is Eid in Arabic. Eid is part of Islam … Eid = celebration.

@mercenary2k

The reality check that you need is that you are claiming since Valentine’s Day roots come from Paganism thus it makes it a form Pagan worshipping that we celebrate it and thus making it un-Islamic. But your reality check lies in the fact that Valentine’s Day has deviated heavily from its original roots

No read again … I said if it something that originates in worship outside Islam then it is outlawed according to the ‘ruling’ given to it by Islamic jurisprudence. The fact that it serves “no religious” purpose today makes it even more problematic because that is classed as a “foolish” set of motions to be adopting.

@mercenary2k

Not really. People show their love to each other on their anniversaries, special dates, birthdays, father’s day and mother’s day. Valentine’s day is yet another day in which they can show their love to each other.

Hey, the argument about Valentine is specifically about the bringing together of two people who are not allowed to be together, this it encourages, the majority of activities on this day happen this way. A married man with two kids in our office gave a raunchy card to another woman in the office this could not have been done in public viewing if not for this occassion … his illicit behaviour was open for all to see and mull over … All of the above celebrations in your post are frivolous … my point stands.

@mercenary2k

That post pretty much sums up the ridiculousness of your arguments

Agreed that you find my points ridiculuous at least you have this as an explanation. As I said you can do what you like … I too am doing what I think is better.

@mercenary2k

How exactly has Eid not become commericalized? And again you repeating the Pagan line like a parrot. Valentine’s day origins may have been Pagan but that is not what it is today.

I like that ‘pagan line like a parrot’ !!! Yes unfortunately people are trying to commercialize on Eid, but the fact of Eid is a lot more visible we must pray and thank Allah (SWT) greatly on Eid … not so on the other occassions.

@mercenary2k

And you have failed utterly and totally to convince me otherwise and Valentine’s day is spreading all over the muslim world

The fact that it is spreading is not proof of it’s acceptability in Islam rather it is proof that Allah (SWT) is beginning to leave current Muslims to their own devices and is bringing about a new Ummah to take the banner of Islam.

@mercenary2k

That is what gives America its strength, its great diversity. A concept you fail utterly to comprehend

No no I understand it alright … what I fail to understand is that you think diversity without checks and balances is a good thing.

@mercenary2k

Really, so people who are against Valentine’s Day are considered better muslims than those who are indifferent?

Great logic

Careful … you are putting words and adding meanings to my posts. Who am I to judge? and Allah (SWT) is my witness on this … I said ‘religious Muslims’ I did not say ‘better’ Muslims. I said the ones who know more about Islam and behave accordingly are those who do not practice Valentine’s Day. To be better or worse is not for us to say because different people have different capabilities … it is not to say that Allah (SWT) will test me in the same way as He tests you because Allah (SWT) Knows what his creation is capable of and provides the most Just reward to all.

@mercenary2k

But who decides what is what is and what is not a part of Islam.

Quran does not mention the Internet, TV, Cars. Does that make them Un-Islamic?

Your logic defeats you yet again.

And by the way, that was too easy. Come up with better responses next time

Valentine’s Day and such innovations you mention above are all subject to the classification of rulings in Islam … there are sciences behind this … TV and cars are all called bid’a … so unIslamic again does not mean it is against Islam unless of course there are consequences that lead to haram or harm.

And Allah (SWT) Knows Best. You don’t need convincing on my part … this is as much I am prepared to write … I am not particularly drawn to replying to your posts as you make it out that I am a dummy and probably I am.