Recently the government of Ontario, Canada announced that they will allow the muslim community in Ontario to settle its non-criminal disputes between muslims in their own Sharia court operated by the community. Such a court would be financed by the government and the only restriction the government placed on such a court was that it should not contravene the Canadian charter of rights. A detalied discussion of the issues can be found at:
I heard the debate on this issue and a mullah from Pakistan was proposing to run the court.
Just yesterday (June 13) I read that a group of Ontario muslimas have taken a strong exception to the formation of such a sharia court. The main argument they give is that in their opinion sharia law does not treat women equally with men and this would certainly contravene the charter of rights. The second objection they raised was that sharia law is applied differently by diferent muslim countires. As an example they quote the fact Tunisia disalows polygamy under its interpretation of sharia whereas Pakistan allows it.
As a non-muslim, I would have no objection to such a court, particularly because the very much reduced cost of such a court compared to a regular court. I would accept formation such a court with the proviso on not contravening the our charter of rights as well as stipulation that no appeal against such a court could be entertained by a secular court unless it is on the grounds of charter of rights. We don’t want to waste our money on cases already decided by the sharia court.
Any Ontario (or any other) guppans have an opinion on the issue?
hmm some muslims saying tht shariah law does not deal women properly is really a poor thingy..might be this would be the golden chance for muslims of canada to attract non muslims and they also live according to shariah....saying tht women rights will be limited is a funny thingy..islam is the only way to save the rights of women and their prosperity and purity.....those muslims who r against this should be shameful of their act....islam is the onlyway to serve the rights of people...shariah law will make muslim community mentaly and spiritually strong....and ya muslim countries should take something out of this...islamic laws r the only way to save this world and women rights
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*Originally posted by chalna: *
hmm some muslims saying tht shariah law does not deal women properly is really a poor thingy..might be this would be the golden chance for muslims of canada to attract non muslims and they also live according to shariah....saying tht women rights will be limited is a funny thingy..islam is the only way to save the rights of women and their prosperity and purity.....
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Very well thinking. May Allah [swt] give these people strength to depict the true picture of Islam.
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*Originally posted by chalna: *
those muslims who r against this should be shameful of their act....islam is the onlyway to serve the rights of people...shariah law will make muslim community mentaly and spiritually strong....and ya muslim countries should take something out of this...islamic laws r the only way to save this world and women rights
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You see in 'sharia' Kihlafa is a must. The people in the power dont want to give up thier power for that. A revolution can bring changes.
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*Originally posted by chalna: *
might be this would be the golden chance for muslims of canada to attract non muslims and they also live according to shariah...
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Don't push your luck dude, take what you can but don't ask to abide by sharia. Only reason Ontario govt is supporting a shiaria court is that the muslim council is willing to run a sharia court for about $80 an hour while a real Canadian court costs about $1200 an hour. I don't want to get into a debate on the merits of sharia. The Ontario muslima group is doing it quite well.
The Hadith is 'The sun will rise from the West instead of the East'. Last year on Mars, the sun rose from the West (known as the retrograde motion to scientists) and it'll happen to all other planets in this solar system.
That rising to some Muslim scholars also means that 'The muslims will be in the West instead of the East'. I think we can nowadays see that, that process has already begun since the early 1990s.
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'The muslims will be in the West instead of the East'. I think we can nowadays see that, that process has already begun since the early 1990s.
Don't push your luck dude, take what you can but don't ask to abide by sharia. Only reason Ontario govt is supporting a shiaria court is that the muslim council is willing to run a sharia court for about $80 an hour while a real Canadian court costs about $1200 an hour. I don't want to get into a debate on the merits of sharia. The Ontario muslima group is doing it quite well.
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hmm then u dont know the sucss of islamic laws.ur point abt dollars is not valid at all..u think just for dollars,canadian government will allow muslims to run shariah realising the fact tht the proganda tht has been done against muslims...thts shows 1 thing tht canadian government is satisfied with islamic laws...when i think ur point does not valid at all....allowing shariah courts showing the canadian government confidence upon islamic laws...only way to save world and women rights is proper shariah
allowing shariah courts showing the canadian government confidence upon islamic laws...only way to save world and women rights is proper shariah
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Don't make me laugh. Canadian govt is a democratically elected govt. Do you think their largely christian voters give a damn about sharia laws? And explain who is tio guarantee what you call "proper sharia". As Ontario muslimas point out sharia is interpreted by different muslim countries differently. Do you think Pakistan would accept Tunisia's interpretation of sharia and vice a veras? And you expect a dar-ul harm govt to accept your interpretation of sharia?
Come join the real world my friend. Money is the only motivation for this and not a bad one IMO.
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Well the Muslims were the happiest people on earth for a thousand years when they lived under the Shari'ah Law.
As soon as it was taken away from them, they've got nothing but sufferings and misery.
It's time the Muslims were happy again.
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I disagree. In fact the golden age of Islam saw muslim shcolars spread all over the non-muslim world to learn. to teach and to trnasfer the knowledg. They went to China, to India and wherever they could learn from other cultures. They surely did not insist that theri hosts follow sharia. As a result they transferred decimal system from hindus, printing and gunpowder technology from China and astronomy from both to the western world. Yes, muslims should be proud of this past but it had nothing to di with sharia.
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Well the Muslims were the happiest people on earth for a thousand years when they lived under the Shari'ah Law.
As soon as it was taken away from them, they've got nothing but sufferings and misery.
It's time the Muslims were happy again.
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Sharia Law can not give you any happiness in todays environment. It might have been ok 1500 years ago but it can not be applied in todays society especialy where there is allready a fairly sound law. During the muslim rule in spain, they never beheaded any one or chopped anybody's hands. Instead they had reasonable law which was meant to protect muslims and non-muslims equaly. With sharia law, are you gonna tax the non-muslims more than muslims and you think non-muslims will just accept that.
I disagree. In fact the golden age of Islam saw muslim shcolars spread all over the non-muslim world to learn. to teach and to trnasfer the knowledg. They went to China, to India and wherever they could learn from other cultures. They surely did not insist that theri hosts follow sharia. As a result they transferred decimal system from hindus, printing and gunpowder technology from China and astronomy from both to the western world. Yes, muslims should be proud of this past but it had nothing to di with sharia.
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wowow how easily u ignore the facts..impressive...did u ever read history of muslims???did u??...its time for me to laugh on u on u bold lie abt shariah and islamic history....i will not go in details beac if i reply then it will take me quite a time to understand u islamic history.....so sorry to say ur comments r totally wrong..wht u want more prove tht when islamic laws were there,muslims were ruling and the time laws went out of hands,muslims destructed by diff powers..u betta need to read some abt islamic history....
What's living under Shari'ah and gaining knowledge got to do with trade exports?
Look at the 130 million Muslim in India... you think they're better off in a upper/lower class system instead of Shari'ah?
Shari'ah gives ultimate justice to Muslims and non-muslims alike.
Laws other than Shari'ah detain people for years before their case is heard, while Shari'ah law states that a person should be found guilty or not guilty and released within four days. Capture of him for any longer period than that is violation of his human rights.
I disagree. In fact the golden age of Islam saw muslim shcolars spread all over the non-muslim world to learn. to teach and to trnasfer the knowledg. They went to China, to India and wherever they could learn from other cultures. They surely did not insist that theri hosts follow sharia. As a result they transferred decimal system from hindus, printing and gunpowder technology from China and astronomy from both to the western world. Yes, muslims should be proud of this past but it had nothing to di with sharia.
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wowow how easily u ignore the facts..impressive...did u ever read history of muslims???did u??...its time for me to laugh on u on u for bold lie abt shariah and islamic history....i will not go in details beac if i reply then it will take me quite a time to understand u islamic history.....so sorry to say ur comments r totally wrong..wht u want more prove tht when islamic laws were there,muslims were ruling and the time laws went out of hands,muslims destructed by diff powers..u betta need to read some abt islamic history....shariah laws is the reason of making society sinless and spreads education...huh...come join the real facts....
This is actually very forward thinking on Canadian’s part. So long as they keep it to resolving non-criminal disputes, it should be OK. Civil cases are settled in various ways in many other countries, so Shariah is just one additional way to settle non-criminal disputes. In my family, we flip a coin to settle our issues. Heads you win, tails he loses. Jazakallah for sharing.
One positive outcome may be that Ahmadi Canadians might bring forth their disputes with other Muslims in a Shariah court. I don’t think that Pakistani constitution that declares Ahmadis as non-Mulsims applies in Canada.