USA to provide weapons, training directly to Free Syrian Army
?? ? What are you on about? Do you know what a red herring is? Syria is a proxy whether you like it or not. Its being used as a cover for something other than what is being claimed.ie. misleading. That is in essence a red herring..
Ps: read asr e zuhoor by ali al korani. You might find an online version in urdu. comprehensive and detailed on every aspect.
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don't belive the hype, because iran been promising to destroy israel for past 40 they haven't even throw one tomato in direction of israel.
But hypocritically they send hezbollah and iranians troops to kill muslims of Syria even you can see this contradiction they have no problem attacking the muslims but cannnot even say boo to the zionist cancer called israel.
Re: USA to provide weapons, training directly to Free Syrian Army
?? ? What are you on about? Do you know what a red herring is? Syria is a proxy whether you like it or not. Its being used as a cover for something other than what is being claimed.ie. misleading. That is in essence a red herring..
Ps: read asr e zuhoor by ali al korani. You might find an online version in urdu. comprehensive and detailed on every aspect.
we don't agree with the shia version. i know what your on about, the great battle, armageddon..etc it will be waged by the west against the muslims(haq) not the nusairees and their supporters. you said it right, nusairees are only a tool to prepare the ground.
@psyah your more knowledgeable on this matter, maybe you can shed some light, is this leading up to what is mentioned in hadith about 1/3 of Muslims army fleeing, 1/3 shaheed and 1/3 will have no trial ending up victorious?
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we don't agree with the shia version. i know what your on about, the great battle, armageddon..etc it will be waged by the west against the muslims(haq) not the nusairees and their supporters. you said it right, nusairees are only a tool to prepare the ground.
@psyah your more knowledgeable on this matter, maybe you can shed some light, is this leading up to what is mentioned in hadith about 1/3 of Muslims army fleeing, 1/3 shaheed and 1/3 will have no trial ending up victorious?
Peace Janjua39
Yes, I too believe that we are in that time ... Let's see how is manifests ...May Allah (SWT) have Mercy on us.
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A red-herring …
Red herring is an English-language idiom, a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the issue.[1] It is also a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction.
Now my point is that there is killing of innocent civilians in Syria… You are calling that a red-herring … Why is the taking of innocent blood a red-herring? And not an issue worth focussing on? I don’t care about Israel and Iran at the moment … Indeed that stand-off is a red-herring …
You are distracting me from the real issue which is Syria … You use the term “red-herring” with irony … LOL.
USA to provide weapons, training directly to Free Syrian Army
Not really.. no. You are assuming i am labelling the death of the syrian people who're being killed by both sides...as the red herring...when I clearly am not.
I was talking about the wider geo-political issue and its relevance to the zhoor....and Syria being used as a red herring for setting that stage.
So If you wish to bury your head under the sand then thats your problem to deal with, but as far as the west, gulf arabs and israel are concerned, it has nothing to do with the bloodshed of the innocent syrians.
So lets not sit there and pretend they or the fsa that they arm, speak for the syrian people, considering they are just as guilty of the bloodshed and destruction in syria.
You cant claim sympathy for a people whos lives you have so keenly helped to destroy. Neither party is blameless in that, but if you study the latest reports coming out of syria; a very small % support fsa/ or nusra.. so on what basis they are claiming to speak on behalf of the syrian people, i dont know... But i do know their supporters dont have a leg to stand on when they claim to speak for the same syrian people.
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we don't agree with the shia version. i know what your on about, the great battle, armageddon..etc it will be waged by the west against the muslims(haq) not the nusairees and their supporters. you said it right, nusairees are only a tool to prepare the ground.
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well... Its abit hard to wage a war against countries who are financing and pulling your strings. Most folks would say you were on the same side. Lol.
Re: USA to provide weapons, training directly to Free Syrian Army
Not really.. no. You are assuming i am labelling the death of the syrian people who're being killed by both sides...as the red herring...when I clearly am not.
I was talking about the wider geo-political issue and its relevance to the zhoor....and Syria being used as a red herring for setting that stage.
So If you wish to bury your head under the sand then thats your problem to deal with, but as far as the west, gulf arabs and israel are concerned, it has nothing to do with the bloodshed of the innocent syrians.
So lets not sit there and pretend they or the fsa that they arm, speak for the syrian people, considering they are just as guilty of the bloodshed and destruction in syria.
You cant claim sympathy for a people whos lives you have so keenly helped to destroy. Neither party is blameless in that, but if you study the latest reports coming out of syria; a very small % support fsa/ or nusra.. so on what basis they are claiming to speak on behalf of the syrian people, i dont know... But i do know their supporters dont have a leg to stand on when they claim to speak for the same syrian people.
Peace Ma Mooli
The Syrians who are dying is the only thing that concerns me at the moment ... If you have any distractions from that topic ... I don't wanna hear about it. Do you have a solution to getting rid of Bashar in the best possible way then please let's hear it. The issue is he needs to be removed because of his oppression and you need to help us work out how best to do that ... Or are you saying that he should remain in a position where he continues his oppression ... What is your solution to this problem?
Let's say we get rid of al-Qaeda from the region ... What then?
and that hadith book ... If you have a copy can you scan those ahadith in or help me out more than just giving me a title ... I would like to hear about the hadith you are referring to. If you can't provide hadith evidence of what you are saying then please recant any such statement until you can demonstrate it personally.
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well... Its abit hard to wage a war against countries who are financing and pulling your strings. Most folks would say you were on the same side. Lol.
same was said about the mujahideen in afghanistan. now look where they are.
Erm… perhaps you’ll find that this thread is not about what you want to hear or not… we’re not hear to discuss what you demand. Kindly go find another thread that focus’s just on the syrian people without the politics, because this thread is certainly not it.
So now you want to talk politics and not just the syrian people? Make up your mind please.
How did the egyptians, tunisians, iranians get rid of their dictator?
well perhaps you should try first and then see.
err no, no …and no?
Its not too hard to find one online. Heres a link…Hopefully you can understand arabic or farsi, because the english one is…not so great.
same was said about the mujahideen in afghanistan. now look where they are.
Erm still fighting along side them in syria?
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Well in that case I think we both agree that FSA should not be given arms by America … but I also think Russia and Iran should not be providing military support to the Syrian regime either … Can you support that point of view?
USA to provide weapons, training directly to Free Syrian Army
The russians and iranians are responding to the americans and arabs arming fsa. But yes, i agree that neither should get military arms.
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Great news! With the arms embargo lifted, heavy anti-tank missiles are now arriving at the front lines! The Free Syrian Army has received AT-4 Spigot anti-tank launchers that are able to penetrate the heavy armour on Syrian T-72 tanks that RPG-7s previously struggled with.
Syrian rebels get first heavy weapons on the front line of Aleppo - Telegraph
Rebel sources said Russian-made “Konkurs” anti-tank missiles had been supplied by America’s key Gulf ally, Saudi Arabia. They have already been used to destructive effect and may have held up a promised regime assault on Aleppo.
A handful of the missiles were already in use and in high demand after opposition forces looted them from captured regime bases.
More have now arrived, confirming reports that the White House has lifted an unofficial embargo on its Gulf allies sending heavy weapons to the rebels.
“We now have supplies from Saudi Arabia,” a rebel source said. “We have been told more weapons are on their way, even higher-end missiles.”
On Syria’s front lines, rebels are already using Russian missiles to destroy the regime’s Russian tanks.
Thanks to Russian backing over the last half century, Syria’s army was the best equipped in the region, and its captured bases have handed a limited number of anti-tank and anti-aicraft missiles to the opposition.
But the number of Konkurs missiles seen in videos escalated at the beginning of this month, tangible evidence of the new Saudi supply line.
In the hills above the Syrian village of Kafra Hamra, north of Aleppo, The Daily Telegraph found rebels talking almost lovingly of the Konkurs as they kept watch on the regime’s tanks 800 yards away.
“We have one or two left but my unit has run out already,” said Abdullah Da’ass, a burly, bearded fighter with the Free Men of Syria brigade. “We were given five. We fired four, and took out four regime tanks, and one was a dud.”