USA to provide weapons, training directly to Free Syrian Army

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I am surprised people are actually supporting Americas policy to send weapons and be involved in more wars in Islamic countries. Are they now also going to send weapons to oppressed Shias in Bahrain?
It is clear that this is a secatarian war and there is little the West can do to help other than send humanitarian aid.

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Peace khoji

Is it the "Nusairee" part that you take offence to or the fact that he is calling Bashar al Assad a ruthless animal? And which of these are untrue?

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America tends to play certain games ... Sometimes their policies dictate their motives in a country ... Such as oil ... But at other times diplomats from host countries are virtually putting down the victim card and seeking their assistance ... The Syria situation is more the latter than the former.

America is hesitant to help out because it serves no great financial repayment on the investment ... Because the nature of Israel is wanting this makes it easier for America to justify as a measure to protect the interest of foreign alliances ... Those alliances are not with the Syrians ...

It just so happens that destiny has brought us to this point ... We now found ourselves in a convoluted twist ... That the very presence of Israel is a thorn in the back of Arabia, yet it's selfish interests are working in the favour of the Syrian people ... Such a situation rarely manifests ... But it has here ... And it serves as being a very confusing time ... Especially for people who have drawn clear lines against certain regimes ... like Zionism ... They will have a tendency of viewing anything aligned with them accidentally as something of an omen to oppose them too. But these times are prophesied ... We have encoded in our scriptures that such times will be very confusing ... So that gives me a bit of confidence ....ironically.

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The Bahraini government does not use chemical weapons, bombers, artillery or tanks against its own people. The two situations are as different as night and day.

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psyah I agree with your first two paragraphs not sure about the last one.

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The Bahraini government does not use chemical weapons, bombers, artillery or tanks against its own people. The two situations are as different as night and day.

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True but you can also say that the Bahrani people are so brutally oppressed by their Sunni rulers and that they are so weak they do not need tanks or planes to defeat them.

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America can get lost with its lies and fake promises we know they have bad intentions on every muslim nation. The ones that deserve biggest condemnation however is not America, Britain or even France. the condemnation should be for Saudi arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan what the hell are they doing they disgust me?

they have billion dollar state of the art militaries with and huge armies we talking millions of trained soldiers they should be moving and stopping the slaughter of the syrian people!

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Situ. Is just as bad if not worse for the bahrainis pre- syrian civil war.

But I dunno ... Lets ask the iranians and hezbullah to arm the bahrainis and find out? I am sure you guys who are supporting the arming of fsa rebels will agree?

We all know ... What will happen next. The americans saudi qatar israel will be first in line to assist the king!!!

Funny times we live in.

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It just so happens that destiny has brought us to this point ... We now found ourselves in a convoluted twist ... That the very presence of Israel is a thorn in the back of Arabia, yet it's selfish interests are working in the favour of the Syrian people ... Such a situation rarely manifests ... But it has here ... And it serves as being a very confusing time ... Especially for people who have drawn clear lines against certain regimes ... like Zionism ... They will have a tendency of viewing anything aligned with them accidentally as something of an omen to oppose them too. But these times are prophesied ... We have encoded in our scriptures that such times will be very confusing ... So that gives me a bit of confidence ....ironically.
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No no no bro psyah. These are not confusing times, not for the true momin.

I have read the prophecies back to front and never have things been clearer. The sufiyani, dajjal, turks, shaam...Yamani, hassani seyed, saudi kingdom, khorasani...yahudi role, The different flags..gathering in sham. Everything is moving by the script.

These are scary times for sure, but definitely not confusing. Not in this day and age. Destiny brought them all united on one side and the other for a reason.. to establish clear lines between haq and batil. You just have to think of the bigger picture and take your pick wisely.

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He is not calling Assad a nussairee, but rather those few who are not in support of America's involvement in the Syrian conflict. Personal attacks shouldn't be tolerated in a political discussion in my humble opinion, furthermore making serious allegations(YES being called a nussairee is offensive and should be taken as an allegation for it labels one a non-muslim) without any proof is simply ignorant and immature.

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Peace sister Ma Mooli

May you show us the hadith that you are talking about? Sounds interesting.

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well hold on a minute dear... what is a nusairee according to you? you just declared them kafir, that's more of an insult to them. there are some die hard nusairees on this board infact one username is nussairee... they might take offence..

i consider them as my enemies because they curse the sahaba. hence enemy of islam and friend of asaad!
so im not in the wrong to call them out!

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so assad is the side of haq? nice.. perhaps its not too early to ask for a refund.

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so.... another afghanistan in the making?

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Assad is a small fish in the matter.. The real stand off is between Israel and iran. The rest is just background noise.

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Peace Ma Mooli

I don't think you mean that ... Neither Israel nor Iran are losing blood ... not at the moment ... The background noise - Syria is where there are injustices happening ... now this very moment ... this is more important than the stand off between Israel and Iran by a long shot.

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Yes i do mean that.. Syria is a red herring in a larger scheme of things. You need to step back look at the whole picture… Rather than focus on ithe one issue.

Israel attacks show Syria’s conflict becoming a regional proxy war

*By Fawas Gerges6:10PM BST 05 May 2013

The Israeli launch of two air strikes on Syria last week presents a marked and dangerous escalation of their involvement in the Syrian war.

Israel’s intervention also shows how the conflict has mutated from a political uprising to an internal armed struggle, and now to a regional war by proxy fiercely fought in Syria.

The Syrian struggle has not only spread into Syria’s neighbours, like Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Turkey – but has also become a battlefield wherein Israel and Iran are challenging each other.

There is a real danger that this complex conflict in Syria could escalate into a battle involving Syria’s major allies – Iran and Hizbollah, and Israel, other regional powers, and the Western states.

Israel’s deepening involvement in the conflict also changes the dynamics of the political struggle in Syria in two ways. It puts the armed opposition on the defensive, because it shows them that they and Israel are indirectly battling the same enemy – the Assad regime. And it reinforces President Assad’s dominant narrative: that the struggle in Syria is not internal, that this is not about a domestic coalition striving to replace authoritarianism with democracy – but rather this is a wider conspiracy spearheaded by Israel and its regional allies and Western powers.*

If everyone else can see through this, im not sure why you choose to keep your blinkers on..

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lol stand off between iran israel... give me a break. we have been hearing this crap since forever. just words no action from both sides. both in each others laps.

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was there ever a war between soviet union and America?, technically America has never been at war since world war 2, since none of the conflicts it has fought thereafter have been declared by the congress (vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, bosnia look like wars on the surface, but they were never authorized as wars by the American congress)

Just because a country doesn't declare war doesn't mean they aren't at war. We never declared war during kargil, but were we not at war?

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Peace Ma Mooli

Killing - the blood of innocent civilians - the single drop of a believer - should be more sacred to us (because to Allah (SWT) these are more sacred than the Holiest cities) than political clashes - especially those that are not resulting in the same blood spill …

I’m not saying that the Israel vs Iran situation is not there … I agree with you it may be there … But at least don’t call the killing of 60, 000 people - mostly Muslims as a red-herring … that is insulting and inhumane.

By the way - you still have not provided me with the hadith … I’m still waiting.