US working to reduce ISI’s influence in govt

The US finally recognizing ISI’s connection to the militants. This would probably come as a disappointment to folks who think RAW is arming & funding the militants. Another key observation by the US - Pakistan is more at threat from internal elements than India. :slight_smile:

Time to get some heads out of the sand ??

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DAWN.COM | World | US working to reduce ISI?s influence in govt

WASHINGTON: The United States wants to empower those elements in the Pakistani government and the military who want to cooperate effectively in the war against terror but are prevented by the ISI from doing so, says a senior Pentagon official.
During a US Senate hearing on the new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Undersecretary of Defence for Policy Michele Flournoy said the United States was also trying to reduce the current level of cooperation between the ISI and the Pakistani military.
The agency’s role in the war against terror, described as ‘ambiguous’ by a US general, came under discussion in the Senate Armed Services Committee on Wednesday when several lawmakers blamed it for helping the militants.
Former Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain raised the issue, asking US officials appearing before the panel if the Pakistani government and the military were so closely tied to the ISI that it prevents them from cooperating effectively with the United States.
‘I think ISI is or parts of ISI are certainly a problem to be dealt with,’ said Undersecretary Flournoy, one of the two witnesses testifying before the committee. But I think we have a new democratic government and I think we have strong parts of the military who see the extremist threat, who want to deal with that extremist threat. And part of our policy challenge is to empower them to be more effective in doing that.’
‘So you see progress in trying to reduce the cooperation that exists between the Pakistani military and the ISI, which has been significant and deep?’ asked Senator McCain.
Gen. David Petraeus, commander, US Central Command, who also appeared as a witness before the committee, agreed with Senator Lieberman. 'I strongly agree with that, senator. In fact, that’s why I’ve repeatedly used the term ‘sustained, substantial commitment,’ while talking about America’s relationship with Pakistan.

‘There is history there. Pakistan will quote that history to you in the first paragraph of any conversation. There is a 12-year period where Pakistani officers, for example, did not come to the United States,’ said Gen. Petraeus while referring to the sanctions imposed on Pakistan in 1990.
‘There’s a lost generation, and the entire military remembers the very much up-and-down relationship that we have had over the years.’
Gen. Petraeus said that the Kerry-Lugar bill that pledges $1.5 billion of annual aid for five years shows that this time the US was making a ‘sustained, substantial commitment … as do some of the Pentagon requests that will be coming up with the budget.’
Senator Susan M. Collins, a Republican, referred to media reports that Pakistani military officers, particularly those in the ISI, have had ‘very close and troubling ties’ with the Taliban, both in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

**Gen. Petraeus said that there have been examples of Pakistani intelligence officials passing on information to the militants.
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‘We have discussed those with the head of the ISI, Lt. Gen. Pasha. I have done that, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs (Admiral Mike Mullen), others; Ambassador (Richard) Holbrooke and I had a session with them together,’ he said.

‘The Pakistan military, again, we’ve had these same conversations with them. There is going to have to be a process of building trust.’

**But to build this trust, according to Gen. Petraeus, Pakistan needs to change its threat perception, which is right now focused on India and needs to be refocused on the western border where the Taliban and al-Qaeda activists operate.
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**‘This starts, frankly, all of this in Pakistan begins with them embracing the idea that the biggest threat to their country’s very existence is the internal extremist threat rather than the threat to their east,’ the general said.
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‘That is a recognition that they have stated verbally … we have heard it privately. We now need to help them operationalize that; to watch them, and among, again, the metrics needs to be measures of their commitment to truly go after this threat,’ he said.

Gen. Petraeus warned that the threat coming from the western borders could literally take down the Pakistani state, ‘if it’s allowed to creep out and to grow, and certainly to cause bigger problems regionally and, potentially, globally.’

Re: US working to reduce ISI’s influence in govt

US and India can keep dreaming about that. ISI has its job responsibilities and it is quite capable.

On a side note, does that mean India will stop crying ISI everytime something happens in India? Since you expect Pakistanis to stop believing RAW behind everything? :)

US also has quite a few wet dreams nothing out of the ordinary

Re: US working to reduce ISI’s influence in govt

US has said it time and time again, but does that it mean it is absolute truth?

Why is not possible for US to secure Afghanistan? It seems like theres lack of will on the western side and they just want to use some escape goat. Just secure the darn Afghan border and stop being a cry baby.

Nobody can secure Afghanistan if Pakistan (parts of its government agencies including military) side with and support the terrorists. Hence the calls by India, the uS and others to Pakistan to start controlling the rogue agencies

You are saying that mighty US, UK, all the developed world forces are unable to secure Afghanistan border? Then what is the use of technology, weapons if you can't use it for good reason?

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^ is the main purpose to prove technology works or to stop terrorism? obviously we are not ruthless

they are stupids, dont know the power of ISI they cant do that

taliban unse sambhalay nahe ja rahay ISI ko ye sambhalein gay. haah!

:hoonh:

The purpose is to seal the border, whichever way you see it.

What is ruthless: People coming in from Afghanistan and killing tens of Pakistanis or people trying to cross border illegally and die in the processs.

By the way: Indians shouldn't be saying "we" when talking about US, UK, coalition.

i may have problems with ISI due to its past practices in meddling the politics on behest of military rulers but last thing i would want is to reduce its influence because americans are saying it, funny...

ISI whatever it is , is our frontline defence and i belive in them one day americans would leave afghanistan with hands off and we would be left alone to take care of mess in our own country and in afghanistan...

Sealing that long border especially when people look so much alike is not possible. Equally importantly, we (India, US, UK ....) are quite interested in ensuring Pakistan achieves peace, law & order and social stability, since that is the only way to stop terrorism in the long run.

don't understand your parsing the 'we'...pls elaborate?

Unfortunately for you, things don't work that way. ISI has a history of supporting jihadis/militants/terrorists for use in proxy wars against India/Afghanistan/USSR. No doubt the US supported part of that initiative for its own benefits. The difference now is that those same jihadis have turned against Pak and US. If push comes to shove, US will do "anything" to secure its interests.

RAW on the other hand has no such baggage :) So comparing ISI to RAW is like comparing apples & oranges.

That is not an excuse, Germany had their "wall" dividing ONE country into two, are you saying they didn't look like one? Are you saying Pakistani/Indian borders are open for everyone to walk in and out? or does it mean Indian and Pakistani are miles apart in looks? It just needs will of the governments to make it happen, spending billions of dollars on a war is okay but spending a few millions is not?

As you said earlier, both Indians and Pakistani shouldn't poke nose in others' matters so please stay away from this. Most of it is our internal matter and we would be able to solve it if foreign hands can keep their fingers away.