US: Victory "does not depend" on capture of Saddam

Ari Fleischer’s White House briefing, live, he just made this statement.

Isn’t this the same that occurred with bin Laden - ‘we’re going to get you dead or alive’, etc etc. :confused: If Saddam is this big bad monster, doesn’t that entitle that we SHOULD make all efforts to find him - try him at the Hague for being such a horrible dictator ?? i am not certain why this objective is now being lowered in its significance.

This is the precise same thing that occurred with bin Laden. Prior to the war against Afghanistan, it was trumpeted that he would be captured, brought to justice and so on. During the war, this objective gradually shifted. Now the same with Saddam Hussein. Wouldn’t it be in the interests of global security if Saddam is captured and brought to the Hague? Why has the objective changed?

if his power base is removed, what good can one man do?

In the Second World War I'm sure many felt that if Hitler wasn’t caught then victory wouldn't be reached, which was obviously untrue. I think he's pointing out that this can be viewed the same way. Hopefully he will get caught, but the fact is he may not be, regime change and disarmament were the goals of this war, the side effect was liberating Iraq from Saddam.

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It would be in the interests of "global security" to capture Saddam. That doesn't mean that the "objective" has "changed".

The objective was to remove the regime from power. And by the look of things, I'd say that objective is almost reached.

Ari's statement is correct. "Victory" only depends on removing the regime from power. It should be an easy concept to grasp... even for Anti-Americans.

If he were captured and brought before an international War Crimes Tribunal, the naysayers will say "oh, the Americans should have killed him, capturing him was letting him live more". I tell you, it is Jersey Tomatoes.

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In the Second World War I'm sure many felt that if Hitler wasn’t caught then victory wouldn't be reached, which was obviously untrue. I think he's pointing out that this can be viewed the same way. Hopefully he will get caught, but the fact is he may not be, regime change and disarmament were the goals of this war, the side effect was liberating Iraq from Saddam.
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You mean liberating Iraq from one tyrant to force US puppet governemnt which will provide US independence from OPEC.

^^^its the lesser of two evils so deal with it

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You mean liberating Iraq from one tyrant to force US puppet governemnt which will provide US independence from OPEC.
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By liberating Iraq your saying in essence the U.S. has liberated itself from OPEC…wouldn’t that be grand?

Punjab da sher, “One man” alone does not constitute any great risk. However we are talking about someone who gassed thousands of his own people.

FuzzNug, Please don’t call me anti-American. :flower1:

UTD, Thank you for a rational answer. :k: i think there is also the danger that - if he is killed, that MIGHT possibly cause him to be raised to a semi-‘martyr’ status…? Not entirely certain about this, i might be wrong.

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This is the precise same thing that occurred with bin Laden. Prior to the war against Afghanistan, it was trumpeted that he would be captured, brought to justice and so on. During the war, this objective gradually shifted. Now the same with Saddam Hussein. Wouldn't it be in the interests of global security if Saddam is captured and brought to the Hague? Why has the objective changed?
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You are right. Both these wars started with lies. Both started with different objectives and "ended" with different objectives. Why?

There was no way that US could really prove that OBL was the man behind 9/11 so he was let go.
There were no WMDs to be found in Iraq so the objective kept on changing to "regime change", "Operation Iraqi Freedom" etc.

Its inevitable that he will be caught. where will he go? When caught, its most likely he will have charges brought against him, though I dont know why now considering this was done in 1988. But better late than never i suppose.

Somehow I cannot picture Saddam, after building 50 palaces, sitting in a cave with OBL and roasting marshmellows over the campfire.

Nor can I picture the Baathist party rising to power again like the Third Reich.

Saddam is neutered.....

(Just hope he doesn't launch a bunch of Chem weapons from Tikrit in one last volley.)

So much for the Hague, so much for punishing him for gassing thousands of his own people. So much for everything.

Saddam’s fate makes no difference to US: Powell, Outlook India, 11 April 2003

The United States does not know whether Saddam Hussein is alive or dead but his fate makes no difference now that the Iraqi regime has collapsed, Secretary of State Colin Powell said.

“We don’t know if he is dead or if he is alive but clearly he is no longer in control,” Powell told Indonesia’s Metro TV in an interview broadcast here late yesterday. “He hasn’t been seen in weeks and none of his other ministers are around today. So we believe that the regime’s control has been broken,” Powell said in the Washington interview.

Where he is as an individual I don’t know, but it really doesn’t make any difference any more. The regime has been brought down and the Iraqi people are now facing a brighter future.”

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Where he is as an individual I don't know, but it really doesn't make any difference any more*. The regime has been brought down and the Iraqi people are now facing a brighter future."
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If finding Saddam was so irrelevant to the coalition terrorists, then I wonder why they dropped a bomb targeting Saddam directly in a residential area, putting civilians in harms way and injuring and killing them, only on the basis that they "thought" he might have been there. Their actions make me sick to my stomach.

Nor can I picture the Baathist party

Actually I can, give it a few years, and you might see the Ba'athists regroup into an effective political force(either that or you will see Islamists become more powerful like in Kuwait). 30 Years in power does give you the ability to carve a constituency. After all it was the Weimar's Democracy that led to Hitler's attainment of power. Communism or Islamism came through revolutions.

Where is Saddam Hussain…

U.S. Officials Start Leaning Toward View Saddam Dead

By Tabassum Zakaria

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The fate of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) is still unclear but U.S. officials have started leaning slightly toward the view that the Iraqi leader is probably dead, U.S. officials said on Friday.

U.S. intelligence agencies have picked up communications or “chatter” by Iraqis on the periphery of Saddam’s toppled government saying they believed he had died.

But officials caution that that by itself is not conclusive proof. Those Iraqis either know that Saddam is dead, believe he is dead but may be wrong, or are trying to feed disinformation to U.S. authorities knowing their communications are being monitored, officials said.

“I’d say it’s leaning slightly more to dead than alive,” one U.S. official told Reuters.

Officials also point to the rapid breakdown of the Iraqi government following Monday’s massive airstrike on a building in Baghdad after the CIA (news - web sites) received a tip that Saddam and his sons were inside.

A B-1 bomber dropped four 2,000-pound (900-kg) bombs on the site, demolishing the building and leaving behind a huge crater. U.S. forces did not have access to the site immediately after the bombing so it may be difficult to determine who had died in the strike, officials say.

Officials who have looked at “the full panoply of intelligence” believe the odds are slightly more in favor of Saddam being dead, one official said on condition of anonymity.

“I have heard people talk about chatter,” Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said at a Pentagon (news - web sites) media briefing.

“I … have not personally seen enough intelligence from reliable sources … that would enable me to walk up and say that I have conviction that he’s dead. I also lack conviction that he’s alive,” he said.

A defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity said as more time passes without any signs of Saddam, the more likely it was that he had died.

“The more time that passes, of course you lean that way, but he also has been known to hide for periods of time,” the official told Reuters.

To help U.S. forces hunt for the top Iraqi leaders, the military will distribute a deck of cards with pictures of the most wanted. Senior Iraqi leaders appear to have vanished after U.S. forces convincingly took Baghdad this week.

In the deck of cards, it was unclear why some Iraqi officials were given higher value than others, but Saddam was clearly the trump – pictured as the ace of spades.

“Clearly this is one game in which we will end up holding the ace of spades,” one defense official said.

They beleive he has died…

I knew this would happen…exactly what hapenned bin Laden. bin Laden no where to be found, they believed he died. Saddam no where to be found, they believe he died.

They have achieved what they wanted…Saddam was just a puppet.

To become a Hero , u need a villain…exactly what the US has done, is oo difficult for the US to portray there were actually WMD’s found in the depots.

Its a gundaraaj…i just pray i live to see it end…