Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
Gee, thanks. I did it without even trying.
Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
Well the western media has reported on other such incidences.. The rape of the 13 year old girl, the happening in the prison etc… So I expect this to be no different.
Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
As can be expected from any true American patriot…:k:
I agree though…All 16 year old spitters should be shot…Hey, why just 16 year olds…15, 14 13, 6, 5, 4 should be shot…
And if they are girls, they should be raped…American justice and way of life must be spread to every country…
“Oh say can you see…”
Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
so you really expect every single Iraqi incident to be reported?
Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
^^ It is impossible to report every single incident in Iraq
Every day over 100-200 Iraqis are being killed and 200-400 are being wounded
Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
Still can’t find a significant mention of it. But really not the point I suppose.
This theme is a bit like a broken record.
If I find the thread to which you refer, will I be convinced that there is an appropriate level of outrage (or even disapproval) at the killing of 100 innocent students? And 34,000 others?
Certainly, I’m a biased poster, but I think it’s simply undeniable that there is not sufficient outrage in the Muslim community (regionally and yes even worldwide amongst “your average Muslim”) to change the situation.
There is near unanimity that American forces should not be there, but no such similar
consensus on purging the criminal jihadists from the community-across the globe it seems.
Yes it’s based on a very strong inkling and not statistics or facts, but can someone show me concrete evidence that a concerted effort to disempower violent jihadists
exists? Not sure I’ll count Pakistan raids recently (wouldn’t likely happen without big $ and coercion from Uncle Sammy)
Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
storch stated
Still can't find a significant mention of it. But really not the point I suppose.
I guess in some cases people bring stuff to others attentions here which is not being blasted in our ears 24/7 in news media.
If I find the thread to which you refer, will I be convinced that there is an appropriate level of outrage (or even disapproval) at the killing of 100 innocent students? And 34,000 others?
I dont know if you will be convinced. Thats for you to know.
*Certainly, I'm a biased poster, *
good that you admit, although it was not really needed.
*but I think it's simply undeniable that there is not sufficient outrage in the Muslim community (regionally and yes even worldwide amongst "your average Muslim") to change the situation. *
as i have stated many times before, do you see an outrage at large about anything from 'your average muslims" .. the answer is no. There is a small group that talks about these sort of idiotic events, it does not mean 'your average muslim' is aware of this or has some massive outrage, or would show his disapproval for this or teh example you gave in some public . people are busy with their lives and livelihood, and while they may have negative views of all this killing, they are not going to go in streets to protest.
And change the situation how? you have heard these militants .. to them muslims who are against them are a target also, people are scared, people are occupied with their lives, and while at large they d not want militants to operate, to them their life and their safety comes first. You and I can sit and debate the short sightedness of that and what nots, but thats the ground reality. This is not just true for religious militants, but atleast in Pakistan as groups liek MQM tightened their vice on Karachi, ppl were scared, anonymous complaints are one thing, people were even afraid to speak up in public and social settings with teh fear of who knows who will hear what and what the impact is going to be on their family.
how would you like that outrage shown? you yourself stated that in your view there is near unanimity that American forces should not be there. How have you seen that manifested as a global 'your average muslim' movement? the stuff that you see on Tv with 250 people from a city of 14 million burning tires? the paid stooges of specific political parties who only do this for political pressure..
If you attend any muslim events, conferences, discussion groups you will find that there is a very strong feeling against the militants. I have not been to a single event with muslims present who
just yesterday a tech support guy who came to set up my new pc started talking to me about the militants in tribal areas in pakistan, and how disgusted he was. His brother is in frontier corps and posted right by that region, how worried the family is about his safety and how he thinks that the govt should do more aerial and less ground offensives against these guys. But is this guy in a srreet everyday waving some banner?
From personall experience I will tell you that I have written atleast 200 letters since 9/11 to different opinion shows, newspapers, etc etc. if you have been reading my views are very clear on this topic, but the letters dont get picked up. BBC picked one up, and I did get thru to a talk show once. How else should this outrage against militancy and extremists be demonstrated for a normal person with work and family commitments.
The uncelebrated grassroots level work of groups liek human development foundation never gets noticed, even though it is a US based organization trying to combat illiteracy and poverty and increase women empowerment and provide micro credit to start shutting off the source of recruits for militants. Its a schaumburg illinois based group. I work with them..how many times has media bothered to cover the thousands of hours volunteers pour into that group to change things, rather than just talk.
*There is near unanimity that American forces should not be there, but no such similar consensus on purging the criminal jihadists from the community-across the globe it seems. *
'it seems' being the key words. as far as near unanimity, its not just muslims, its also in UK and much of EU if you have read the reports, but have you seen daily mass protests in London or Paris to that effect? does that then mean that peopel are not against the war or does it mean that they are not speaking up, or what?
Yes it's based on a very strong inkling and not statistics or facts, but can someone show me concrete evidence that a concerted effort to disempower violent jihadists exists? Not sure I'll count Pakistan raids recently (wouldn't likely happen without big $ and coercion from Uncle Sammy)
Pakistan started violent militants way before 9/11, when there was no big $ or coercion from US. One just has to go back and read the reports.
What do you think, people who have been targets of these militants actually welcome them?
again, let not get the actions and words of a few make you believe that either there is some sort of global support for those words or that other things are not considered important.
And when we talk of action. UK backed off on banning a roup called Hizb Ul Tahrir, a damaging group which serves as a route to other militant groups. Its banned in pakistan. The Uk govt was asked by Pakistan to ban it, which they did not. So..anyone can point a finger at anything and say hey this is not good enough. Uk probably had its reasons. Its suffice to say not everything works the way one thinks it would or should work, and people close to the situation often know better what is at stake the risks and what to do and what not to do. remember the whole people of Iraq welcoming US forces with flowers business? sure many people are happy that saddam si gone, but theya re not happy with teh current situation, a situation that people warned about but our planners did not seem to care and to prepare themselves. So now when we are looking at other things around teh world and saying its nto concrete enough, well maybe we dont know the fine points on why things ned to be done in a certain way.
I am sure that the families of the hundreds of Pakistani soldiers who died fighting the militants (that were allowed to escape out of afghanistan) dont think that too little is being done.
Re: US troops kill 16-year-old boy for spitting on them
And your lack of condemnation for the wanton murder of thousands of innocent Iraqis (many who didn’t spit on anyone, just trying to work for a better future) by these killers can be expected from what? A true head-in-the sand, holier-than-thou, only the kafir-can-do-wrong Islamist?
I never said this boy should have been shot, that’s just another example of your ilk putting words in the mouths of others to justify your racdial and irrational phiolosphy.
To state that the American way of life is rape is a further stretch and generalization that should give you pause to really think through what the way the way of life is for the Islamists you advocate. You won’t because of the head-in-the-sand, only-the-kafir-can-do-wrong syndrome I mentioned above.