Us Strips Arabs

“We are not Afghanistan” they said.

FURY AS US STRIPS THIEVES Apr 26 2003

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AMERICA was at the centre of a new human rights row last night after four alleged Iraqi thieves were paraded naked in a Baghdad park by US troops.

The degraded prisoners had the words "Ali Baba, Haram’’ - “Thief, Unclean” - scrawled in Arabic on their chests.

The humiliating spectacle of young men running to hide their shame was captured by a photographer for Norway’s Dagbladet newspaper, which quoted a US officer as saying the deterrent was effective.

Last night Amnesty International in London criticised the inhumane treatment and promised to raise the matter urgently with the United Nations next week.

Director Kate Allen said: "If these pictures are accurate, this is an appalling way to treat prisoners. Such degrading treatment is a clear violation of the responsibilities of the occupying powers.

“Whatever the reason, these men must at all times be treated humanely. The US authorities must investigate this incident and publicly release their findings.”

The four victims had their clothes burned before being publicly humiliated in the Zawra Park which is said be plagued by thieves trying to reach US weapons stores.

The Americans claim that over the last few days several hundred Iraqis have tried to get into the park and US troop patrols have been stepped up around the clock.

Group Commander Eric Canaday, of 10th Engineer Corps, is quoted in Dagbladet saying: "I think our job is to keep people out of the park to prevent theft of weapons.

"We have started doing several things and I don’t think this is too much.‘’

Lt Canaday added: "We have talked with the Iraqi inhabitants. Some of them gave us the idea so we took the clothes and burned them before we pushed them out with thief written on their chest. It was quite successful.‘’

The US soldiers were seen chasing the Iraqi men shouting “Ali Baba, Ali Baba”. All four ran as fast as they could to hide their nakedness, according to onlookers.

Three of the young men got away but 20-year-old Zian Djumma came back with his head bowed down after he put on grey shorts which he found in a looted house.

He told Dagbladet: "This was terrible. Now I only want to go home and find a hand grenade and throw it at the soldiers. Not only against those who did it to us but at everybody. I hate the Americans for this.‘’

Djumma said the four friends had gone into the park through an open gate looking for a missing 15-year-old boy.

But the Americans said the four were carrying a bag with spare parts for weapons.

The Geneva Convention states: "Protected persons are entitled to respect.

“They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected against insults.”

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hey they are the liberators. they can do whatever they want and how they want. no one can question them :-)

Now they are libereating them from there clothes as well

they are liberators( in their books and thinking) but they are not the lords....and ppl who think iraq has been liberated...well i dont think so...iraqis would prefer saddam hussain to be their leader ne day than ne foreign invasion of their homeland...think abt it

Pretty nasty behavior on the part of the Americans. Agree.

But, in a sense...so the people affected have to run home in thier naked embarrassment.

At least they weren't taken to the basement of a prison and hung up on a hook and tortured or killed.

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Pretty nasty behavior on the part of the Americans. Agree.

But, in a sense...so the people affected have to run home in thier naked embarrassment.
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At least they weren't taken to the basement of a prison and hung up on a hook and tortured or killed.
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seems like your justifying the behavior of these pathetic americans :-)
if it were iraqis doing this to americans, you would have brought the whole house down with your condemnations :-)

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seems like your justifying the behavior of these pathetic americans :-)
if it were iraqis doing this to americans, you would have brought the whole house down with your condemnations :-)
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Entity,

I think it was nasty behavior.

But myself, I'd rather be stripped naked and embarrassed and have to run home, rather than be locked up, stripped, tortured and/or murdered.

I'm not condoning what was done. I am stating that is kinder than being locked up, tortured or/or murdered, even if totally embarrassing.

I think, if it was me, I'd rather be embarrassed than tortured.

If I was innocent of theiving...Besides...the fact that I would be totally red in the face over being embarrassed..I might just even get a little gumption and embarrass the embarrassers. ;) Might even, if that happend to me, just stroll home, kinda like the emperor with new clothes and pretend as if I wasn't naked at all. Heck, maybe even do a cart-wheel.

Course I wouldn't have been out there looting either...

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Entity,

I think it was nasty behavior.

But myself, I'd rather be stripped naked and embarrassed and have to run home, rather than be locked up, stripped, tortured and/or murdered.

I'm not condoning what was done. I am stating that is kinder than being locked up, tortured or/or murdered, even if totally embarrassing.

I think, if it was me, I'd rather be embarrassed than tortured.

If I was innocent of theiving...Besides...the fact that I would be totally red in the face over being embarrassed..I might just even get a little gumption and embarrass the embarrassers. ;) Might even, if that happend to me, just stroll home, kinda like the emperor with new clothes and pretend as if I wasn't naked at all. Heck, maybe even do a cart-wheel.

Course I wouldn't have been out there looting either...
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then why they don't do this to theives back home in america? why are they so eager to try new things on others and not back home. if you / they think its good enough for them to learn lessons then why can't it be used in USA? my answers is this that they are the occupying forces in iraq. they can and will do anything and everything they feel like doing. if they feel like killing they'll kill. if they feel like stripping someone, they'll do that. afterall, they are the authority. who can question authority?

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then why they don't do this to theives back home in america? why are they so eager to try new things on others and not back home. if you / they think its good enough for them to learn lessons then why can't it be used in USA? my answers is this that they are the occupying forces in iraq. they can and will do anything and everything they feel like doing. if they feel like killing they'll kill. if they feel like stripping someone, they'll do that. afterall, they are the authority. who can question authority?
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Good question Entity.

I don't know. Mostly they arrest em, throw em in jail until they make bail, make em go in front of a judge and jury. Sometimes they are given probation, sometimes a hefty jail term.

I think in the case of the Iraqi's sinse they wanted the looting to stop, but couldn't really blame em for looting, because they have been repressed for so long, yet they needed to do something... they did what they did.

Probobly was some 20 year old's idea power and punishment.

At least they didn't cut off their hands?

I guess I am defending what they did. Probobly I shouldn't.

But thinking that being made to get naked and having the word thief written on you is better than being shot for looting.

I could be mistaken but I think the people that were caught were teenagers. Probobly they wanted to teach them a lesson, but probobly not one as rough as being prosecuted and jailed, yet still teach a lesson.