I wish muslim countries were more like N Norea, @least they are not bowing to America
24 bombers are now moved to Guam... seemingly as a show-of-strength to the Koreans.
Some strength it is!
The war in Afghanistan is, technically, not over, so US is practically at war right now. They are about ready to open a new front in Iraq, which can potentially be far more messier than the Afghanistan, and at the same time, they are flexing their muscles in the Korean peninsula with much greater possibility of mass destruction. Old allies in Europe are now issuing condemnation almost on a daily basis and threatening veto in UNSC. Even governments willing to support US right now sense that in each major European country, the public opposition to a war without UN umbrella is between 60-90%. After soundly insulted in Turkish Parliament, the corner-stone of a democratic country, they are now arm-twisting the Turkish military and Generals to allow a back-door or thumb the Parliament and allow US to open the Northern Front in Iraq. And they claim they will bring democracy in Iraq. Yea rite! :)
In the domestic front, the price of gas is rising domestically, and the US budget has the biggest deficit in years. The tax cut plan (a.k.a. economic recovery plan) is almost dead. WH is now requesting a $90B war funds from the Congress which is arguably the low end of the cost of war in Iraq.
A new bombing took place in Israel, a few days after the deadly bombing in Philipines. With France, Germany, Russia and China, all verbally abusing US moves right now, lets see how long this "Mad Cowboy Disease" lasts. Will the money run out first or the enemies?.
US troops ‘may quit S Korea’](BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Bush 'optimistic' on N Korea diplomacy) BBC News 06 Mar 03
The US is in discussions with South Korea about whether to bring US troops currently stationed there home or to redeploy them further south, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said. The proposed move comes amid preparations by Pentagon planners to alter the US military presence abroad, and as tensions continue to rise with North Korea over the reclusive country’s nuclear ambitions.
“We still have a lot of forces in Korea arranged very far forward where it’s intrusive in their lives and where they really aren’t very flexible or usable for other things,” Mr Rumsfeld said at a Pentagon meeting. “Whether the forces will come home or whether they move further south of peninsula or whether to some neighbouring area are the kind of things that are being sorted out.” …
The north koreans should have shot it down the americans would think twice before spying and being nosey as usual in other peoples business on other side of the world ![]()
They did not long ago in internatinal airspace killing all Americans.. You see yankees don’t like such news splattred all over their news media it gives em heart burns…!! They try to play it down or give it a spin just like when Chinese brought down their plane… First the monkey in the white house said its soverign territory the 4 footers cannot touch it. When the four footer laughed at his face and wrestled those rambos down one by one boarded the plane and God knows what. The monkey came out and said he is so sorry… LOLz… I’d say one thing for sure, they are quick learners.. Never will they look that way again especially after the treatment met at the hands of 4 footers..
big bad North Koreans…hahahahah ![]()
Reminds me of China…hahahah.
N. Korea Says U.S. Pushing Nuke Crisis](http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030316_1375.html) ABC 16 Mar 03
North Korea Says It Can’t Remain Passive While the U.S. Conducts Military Exercises in Region
North Korea cannot remain “a passive onlooker” while the United States conducts military exercises in the region, the North said Sunday, claiming that Washington is pushing a nuclear crisis toward a second Korean War. While vowing to counter any military attacks, Pyongyang also said Sunday it wants to avoid war and reiterated its demand for direct talks with Washington. “The DPRK cannot remain a passive onlooker to the U.S. intensified military moves as they are a dangerous military racket to ignite the second Korean War,” North Korea’s official Rodong Sinmun said Sunday. DPRK stands for Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, North Korea’s official name.
The U.S. military said the annual Foal Eagle exercises, which end April 2, are defensive and not related to the political situation on the Korean Peninsula. North Korea blames the war games for heightened tensions on the divided Korean Peninsula. A dispute over North Korea’s nuclear programs has been spiraling since October, when the United States said Pyongyang had admitted having a secret nuclear weapons program in violation of a 1994 agreement. …
Dil,
If you want to quote North Korea, just go straight to their web site. ABC sort of over sanitizes the real lunacy of the North Koreans. Here is a press release from them that I particularly like from this strange country/religion/cult:
“U.S. hit for its ignorance of DPRK
Pyongyang, March 17 (KCNA) – The U.S. conservative hard liners are claiming that the threat posed by North Korea is a misbehavior and it is impossible for North Korea to get security guarantee and economic aid as regards the measures taken by the DPRK to cope with the U.S. efforts to isolate and stifle the DPRK. Rodong Sinmun today describes the claim as an expression of the ignorance of the DPRK.
The news analyst says:
Korean socialism is the best man-centred socialism that projects the popular masses as the true masters of society and under which everything of society serves the people. Koreans socialism is the life and soul and happiness.
The people is in the heart of the leader and the hearts of the people are filled with the worship and longing for him and intention to share their destiny with him. The monolithic unity of the leader and people is more powerful than any nuclear weapon.
The system of the DPRK has strong ideological, political, economic and military capability and the people live on their own. That is why the DPRK does not seek to get favor from anyone by threatening him. Particularly, it never feels the need to get the security of its system guaranteed. All its proposals and measures are for self-defensive and peaceful purposes.
They are aimed at settling the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and preventing a war in the peninsula, not getting anything.
For the U.S. keen to stifle the DPRK the greatest tragedy is that it knows too little about the DPRK.
The U.S. should have a good understanding of its rival, stop spreading wild rumors and give up its policy of isolating and stifling the DPRK.”
Sort of reminds me of talking to the Raelians, or perhaps Dennis Kucinich.
A nice juicy read please note the comments of former Indian army chief he has hit the nail right on the head. Seems like N. Koreans have understood the game quite well, its long way from 50s and 60s
… It also seems the biggest terrorist understands and understands only one language… The language of hot radio active shaft shoved right upto all the way to its throat so it can’t even scream in public. LOL…
Just look at little kims military might he can not only destroy SK and Japan with conventional weapons but can also bring down US economy… :hehe:
Well done Kim for defeating the biggest terrorist on the planet… For full story go to.:- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/EC15Dg01.html
Even without nuclear weapons, North Korea’s retaliatory or preemptive offensive capabilities are sufficient to inflict unacceptable losses on any would-be attacker. And based on its military doctrine, inferred from deployment of forces and years of observation of large- and smaller-scale military exercises, there can be no question that these capabilities would be used to the fullest.
Level 1 of deterrence or attack potential is defined by the combined destructive potential of 700 currently deployed shorter- and medium-range ballistic missiles (600 300-500-kilometer-range Scud B/Cs, 100 1,300-1,500km-range Nodongs), several (two to six) nuclear warheads, and a minimum of 500, more likely several thousand, tonnes of chemical and biological agents. The Scuds cover most, the Nodongs all of South Korea’s population centers; the Nodongs most of Japan’s.
Level 2 comprises 500 long-range artillery pieces (170mm Koksan guns) and 2,500 multiple rocket launchers, 4,000 tanks, and 70 percent of the standing army of 1.1 million, all forward-deployed at or within 100km of the Demilitarized Zone. The Koksan guns alone can unleash 500,000 rounds of heavy munitions per hour on Seoul and other places just south of the DMZ. Massed tank forces and mechanized infantry would at least initially be capable of overwhelming US/South Korean defenders near the DMZ.
Level 3 comprises strategic reserves of the remainder of the standing army and readily mobilized reserve forces of at least 600,000. In addition, three special-forces groups of unknown personnel strength stand ready to be infiltrated into the South through tunnels or by sea, and submarine forces (the world’s third-largest, with 26 Russian Kilo-class diesel-electrics and 40 minisubs) pose a credible threat to attacking or blockading surface combatants, as do recently tested land-based 160km-range anti-ship cruise missiles. One significant point of vulnerability is the technical inferiority of the air force, which likely would have to surrender air-space control within days of the commencement of military action.
That notwithstanding, the attack potential and forces mix of North Korea’s military are formidable. These forces would not stay in fixed positions waiting to be attacked. Derived from Soviet military doctrine, North Korea’s stresses high-mobility, massed fire-power and combined-arms offensive maneuvering, and has more recently emphasized integration of asymmetric warfare operations. Rapid strikes from the standstill are well within the army’s capability and would aim to seize the initiative and strategic territory before US reinforcements could arrive on the scene.
** And the best/worst is yet to come. A former Indian army chief has said that the principal lesson any nation should learn from the Gulf War is that it is futile to take on the United States before being in possession of nuclear weapons. The logic of that will not have been lost on North Korean military leaders. They know that massed attack on the South after initial success would likely be countered by US tactical nukes. The only defense against that is to deter it by one’s own nuclear arsenal. Thus probably the urgency with which North Korea undertook nuclear-weapons development in the early 1990s, which led to the 1993-94 crisis, temporarily resolved by the October 1994 signing of the Agreed Framework. **
But prior to that, North Korea had extracted somewhere between eight and 24 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium from spent fuel rods of the five-megawatt Yongbyon reactor - at an average rate of four kilograms per nuclear weapon, yielding the above two-to-six-warheads estimate. A total of 8,000 fuel rods remain unprocessed and could yield another six weapons within six months of restart of the Yongbyon reprocessing line. Moreover, with the small Yongbyon reactor now running again and a larger 50MW one under construction and capable of being completed in a year’s time, North Korea, starting some time in the next year, could gear up to producing 20-50 nukes per year and rapidly become the world’s ninth nuclear power. And this doesn’t count weapons made from enriched uranium, facilities for the production of which North Korea apparently imported from Pakistan starting in 1997. US assistant secretary of state James Kelly just told a Senate committee that those facilities could produce weapons-grade uranium in a matter of months, not years as earlier thought.
Faisal .. if I am a super-power .. (the only) ... I can do whatever I please or deem right ... u go to hell ...
If u r a weak person and got some 'material' in your house ... I will check upon you all day long ... kar lao jo karna hay (do whatever you can) ...
wake up to the new reality, my friend ... u r weak and cant do anything ... muahahhah ...
I am not an expert in Korean histoy, but help me understand, how would nuking South Koreans help North Korea teach a lesson to the Americans?
U.N. Envoy: N. Korea Preparing for War](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More) Yahoo News
By JOE McDONALD, Associated Press Writer
BEIJING - North Korea (news - web sites) is preparing for possible war with the United States and is concerned about Washington’s intentions after its attack on Iraq (news - web sites), said a U.N. envoy who returned Saturday from the North. North Korean officials say missile tests and other recent steps that have unsettled its neighbors were meant as preparation for such a conflict, said Maurice Strong, a Canadian aide to Secretary General Kofi Annan (news - web sites). Strong was visiting Pyongyang as part of U.N. efforts to mediate the North’s nuclear crisis with the United States.
South Korea (news - web sites) put its military on heightened alert this week, and on Saturday the North retaliated by canceling economic talks scheduled for next week. That could mean it will also suspend more important inter-Korean talks next month aimed at easing nuclear tensions. The United States says it wants a peaceful settlement to the dispute. But the U.S. war in Iraq is getting intense study from North Korean officials, Strong told reporters.
“They are watching it very carefully and with deep concern, and questioning what this means in terms of the U.S. ultimate intentions toward them,” Strong said. Asked whether North Korean leaders feared they would be the next target of U.S. military action after Iraq, Strong said, “Fear I do not believe is in their vocabulary. Concern, yes, real determination to seek a peaceful settlement. At the same time, preparation for war, if necessary.”
Strong did not say specify how he knew about the military preparations, and gave no details. He said officials expressed “deep concern for the threats that they perceive to their own security, and a determination to defend their security and their integrity.” Tensions on the Korean Peninsula have been high since Washington said in October that the North had admitted starting a nuclear weapons program in violation of a 1994 agreement. Strong said he met with “very senior people,” but wouldn’t give their names or other details. He said he was conveying “guidance and information” between the two sides but couldn’t discuss it before he reports to Annan.
**Both Washington and Pyongyang have said they want a peaceful settlement, and Strong said North Korean officials expressed optimism that one was still possible. But Washington has rejected the North’s request for direct talks, saying instead other governments must be involved — a condition that Pyongyang has rejected. “Until those discussions occur, the risks that the process will degenerate, without the intent of either party, into a conflict still remain,” Strong said. **
Washington and Pyongyang, which fought on opposite sides in the 1950-53 Korean War, have never had diplomatic relations. With the United States focused on Iraq, experts fear North Korea might use the opportunity to test a long-range missile or reprocess spent nuclear fuel to make atomic bombs. That would be viewed as an attempt to force Washington into direct negotiations. Asked whether North Korea might try to use tensions over Iraq to try to force a compromise, Strong said, “I don’t think forcing the U.S. is anything they realistically consider. They want the U.S. to engage them in direct negotiations.”
The two Koreas had planned to begin talks in Pyongyang Wednesday to discuss ways of boosting economic cooperation. Topics included opening territorial waters to commercial ships from each side. The South put its military on heightened alert Thursday, saying it wanted to guard against any effort by Pyongyang to raise tensions during the Iraq war. The North reacted by calling off the meeting. “When our dialogue partner is threatening us with a dagger, we have no option but to conclude that we must delay the talks,” said Pyongyang’s state-run Central Radio, which was monitored by South Korea’s Yonhap news agency.