US special forces take up residence in civilian installations - Kurds resentful

More American hypocrisy as US forces move into Iraqi Kurdish schools for their war purposes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44358-2003Mar28.html

**Kurds Voice Suspicion of U.S. Troops **

U.S. Special Forces troops have taken up residence in five schools in this little town on the northwest edge of Irbil, in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq. Far from being welcomed as liberators, citizens fear the troops’ presence will make Ain Kawa a target for artillery or terrorists. Residents also are upset that the Americans picked schools, clearly civilian establishments. "Isn’t this what the Americans blame Saddam Hussein for doing? Why not put them in the countryside? There are plenty of camps out there," said Fais Betrus, an unemployed laborer. “Ain Kawa is a peaceful place, and this can bring trouble,” remarked Sivan Ahmed, a college fine arts student. “The authorities told us that the soldiers are here for humanitarian assistance. We don’t believe them.” It is odd to hear such negative comments from Kurds about the presence of U.S. soldiers in their territory, an autonomous zone protected by U.S. and British fighter jets since the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Kurds generally support the U.S.-led war to unseat Hussein, the Iraqi president. Kurdish officials have declared their militia forces at the service of Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks, head of the U.S. Central Command and the officer in charge of running the war. They would like to help the United States take the city of Kirkuk, a key oil center and former home to tens of thousands of ethnic Kurds who were expelled by the Baghdad government over the years.

But Kurds are also fearful. During a 1988 revolt, Hussein’s forces attacked villagers from Halabja, on the eastern side of the autonomous zone near the Iranian border, with chemical weapons. Thousands of people died. Moreover, on two occasions, in 1975 and 1991, the United States has withdrawn support from Kurdish uprisings. The second time, after Iraq’s Gulf War defeat, President George H. W. Bush called on Iraqis to revolt only to refuse to back the uprising with military force. Tens of thousands of Kurds, as well as Iraqi Shiite Muslims in the south, were killed during Baghdad’s counterattack. “Honestly, we are nervous. Saddam is capable of anything and we are now targets,” said Yusuf Shauba, a vegetable vendor. Someone in Irbil apparently tried to exploit Kurdish fears today. A bomb packed into an artillery shell and laced with a material that caused lots of smoke exploded in a vacant lot near the center of town. It seemed designed to simulate a chemical attack, said Karim Sinjari, interior minister of the Kurdish administration. Ain Kawa is a lively, relaxed town of 12,000 residents, mostly Assyrian Christians. Its main street is jokingly referred to as the Champs-Elysees by Kurds both here and in Irbil, which is largely Muslim and the most populous city in the Kurdish region. In late afternoon, strollers fill the street. And, unlike in Irbil, a more conservative city, women appear publicly in large numbers without head scarves and long black dresses.

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Isn’t this the same charge that is levelled at the Iraqi government - that it deliberately places its troops and equipment in civilian areas ? So precisely what is the difference ? :confused:

Of all places, i think schools, hospitals and orphanages should be completely barred from any participation whatsoever in conflicts. What was the logic behind picking these five schools?

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U.S. Special Forces troops have taken up residence in five schools in this little town on the northwest edge of Irbil, in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq. Far from being welcomed as liberators,

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So so so so the Girls are now hiding behind Kurds and schools and there is no militia in sight yet... Well what do you know the mighty liberators are begging for bread crumbs in the south and hiding in schools in the north.....

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So so so so the Girls are now hiding behind Kurds and schools and there is no militia in sight yet... Well what do you know the mighty liberators are begging for bread crumbs in the south and hiding in schools in the north.....
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yaar isnt this what they did in Afghanistan, hiding behind the Northern front.

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So so so so the Girls are now hiding behind Kurds and schools and there is no militia in sight yet... Well what do you know the mighty liberators are begging for bread crumbs in the south and hiding in schools in the north.....
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Exactly. If the US can condemn the Iraqi's for allegedly using civilian installations then what do they call them hiding in girls schools?

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Exactly. If the US can condemn the Iraqi's for allegedly using civilian installations then what do they call them hiding in girls schools?
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Yellow Rambos

This article been confirmed? Horrid.

Wonder if school is in session? And if civilians are there on a daily basis?

Actually been thinking about schools/hospitals/Mosques, etc. Horrible to bomb them.

Was thinking that if I was under attack or a major catastrophe occured that probobly is where people would go congregate. I would think civilian authorities probobly designate various places as such as shelters.

I wonder if they really are there for humanitarian purposes? I wonder if they are putting humanitarian supplies there and leaving? And how would the Iraqi Army know that? Absolutely horrendous. One can't dis the enemy for using shields and then do the same thing. Immoral.

I wonder if we know the whole story? Has anyone interviewed the GI's that are supposedly there? And if they may have confiscated the area if its off limits to civilians?

News article doesn't say.

** This article been confirmed? Horrid. **

Now why would you want to confirm this? Is it because it is not to your liking…

** Wonder if school is in session? And if civilians are there on a daily basis? **

Well of course the school was not build for GI Joes and their comfort. It was build for kids..

** Actually been thinking about schools/hospitals/Mosques, etc. Horrible to bomb them. **

Yes I know its is horrible but it still is peoples fault they are not suppose to be there .. right…

** I wonder if they really are there for humanitarian purposes? I wonder if they are putting humanitarian supplies there and leaving? **

The less said the better I am sure the Kurds are angry for nothing :rotfl:

** I wonder if we know the whole story? Has anyone interviewed the GI’s that are supposedly there? And if they may have confiscated the area if its off limits to civilians? **

Yeah thats true all those GI Joes must be interviewed and they will confess about every crime they have commited they are trained to do that…

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Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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Yep, that's from the good ol Constitution of the United States, apparrently its principles don't apply outside of the country's borders. (Yes, schools fall under this Amendment.)

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Yep, that's from the good ol Constitution of the United States, apparrently its principles don't apply outside of the country's borders. (Yes, schools fall under this Amendment.)
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Well then how do we know this is true? And not just propaganda?

Anyone have proof it isn't propaganda?

Abdali,

You do your best to undermine my ideal of America. How do you know if the area is off limits or not? How does anyone know? I would like to believe that my people are honorable just as much as you would like to believe they are not.

I would hazard a guess is that this article was probobly supposed to be telling of the mistrust of Americans due to past history in the area. Though they have been protected by NoFly Zone, they do not trust us any more than the Shias from Basra.

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Well then how do we know this is true? And not just propaganda?

Anyone have proof it isn't propaganda?
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WoW! when GI Joe do something it is propoganda but when Iraqis do something that is true.... LOL......

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Abdali,

You do your best to undermine my ideal of America. How do you know if the area is off limits or not? How does anyone know? I would like to believe that my people are honorable just as much as you would like to believe they are not.
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How do you know GI Joes are not killing innocent civillians... BTW the article is from Washington Post do you think they would post something to give GI Joes a black eye not that they don't have one.

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How do you know GI Joes are not killing innocent civillians... BTW the article is from Washington Post do you think they would post something to give GI Joes a black eye not that they don't have one.
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I don't know that. I would hope they aren't.

Yes. I do think they would. Not intentionaly to undermine the GI Joes, but directed to Bush. Washington Post is political paper. One must remember that news is a business. One must sell papers to stay in business.

Not that I support the war mind you.

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I don't know that. I would hope they aren't.

Yes. I do think they would. Not intentionaly to undermine the GI Joes, but directed to Bush. Washington Post is political paper. One must remember that news is a business. One must sell papers to stay in business.

Not that I support the war mind you.
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So when it comes to GI Joes and their deeds its a cooked up story a business to sell news papers but when there is a negative new about Iraqis you jump up an down coz its the truth nothing but the truth absolute truth.

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So when it comes to GI Joes and their deeds its a cooked up story a business to sell news papers but when there is a negative new about Iraqis you jump up an down coz its the truth nothing but the truth absolute truth.
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You make me not like myself Abdali.

Truth? nothing but the truth?

I doubt we are/will hear anything completely truthful. Maybe you are. I don't think I am, or maybe its because I don't trust the media? I don't know. Maybe because I think I am seeing/reading propaganda or biased commentary. I don't know.

And I don't jump up and down because Iraqi's are dying. I take offense to that remark.

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You make me not like myself Abdali.

Truth? nothing but the truth?

I doubt we are/will hear anything completely truthful. Maybe you are. I don't think I am, or maybe its because I don't trust the media? I don't know. Maybe because I think I am seeing/reading propaganda or biased commentary. I don't know.

And I don't jump up and down because Iraqi's are dying. I take offense to that remark.
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Oh I am sure you do take offensive at Iraqis dying thats why you point finger at Iraqis... What are you going to say next that Iraqis are wellcomming your GI Joes with open arms and showeing flowers on them like yor govt has been saying... Wake up and smell folggers you are not welcome in this part of the world Iraqis don't want your liberation.

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Oh I am sure you do take offensive at Iraqis dying thats why you point finger at Iraqis... What are you going to say next that Iraqis are wellcomming your GI Joes with open arms and showeing flowers on them like yor govt has been saying... Wake up and smell folggers you are not welcome in this part of the world Iraqis don't want your liberation.
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I am not pointing finger at Iraqi's. I am pointing finger at their government, just as you point fingers at me. And no, I haven't seen them welcoming GI's with open arms.

And I would differ to say that the GI's were lead to believe they would.

And I know I can't come to Middle-east or Asia and not worry about being shot on sight. Even maybe in my own country. Shoot, they even shoot NGO's in Afghanistan.

You still haven't explained the difference between an angry GI or a fundo that wants to kill Americans because they support the right for Israel to exist.

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I am not pointing finger at Iraqi's. I am pointing finger at their government, just as you point fingers at me. And no, I haven't seen them welcoming GI's with open arms.

And I would differ to say that the GI's were lead to believe they would.

And I know I can't come to Middle-east or Asia and not worry about being shot on sight. Even maybe in my own country. Shoot, they even shoot NGO's in Afghanistan.

You still haven't explained the difference between an angry GI or a fundo that wants to kill Americans because they support the right for Israel to exist.
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Oh yes thats so true you don't call every anti GI news BS but its the other way around.. how very nice of you.

Get this clear through your head and if you can pass this message to every yank. Iraqis never wanted you so its time your GI Joes pack and leave. And yes please stay away from that part of the world.

A GI Joe is a SOB who goes to someone elses country for killing and terrorism and fundo is the product of that.. simple.. the more terrorism is your govt involved in the more fudos there will be. So the choice is yours and mark my words with this Iraq misadventure there will be a rapid escallation of these fundos. You don't expect to kill someones loved once and expect them to do nothing.

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I don't know that. I would hope they aren't.

Yes. I do think they would. Not intentionaly to undermine the GI Joes, but directed to Bush. Washington Post is political paper. One must remember that news is a business. One must sell papers to stay in business.

Not that I support the war mind you.
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On the one side you have the Iraqi Kurds and the Washington Post stating these facts, and on the other side you have the American military failing to provide an explanation as to why they are using civilian facilities for military purposes. It's pretty clear who is the guilty party...