US soldiers motivated by perks, not patriotism

US soldiers motivated by perks, not patriotism

It’s a long way from San Francisco to Baghdad, and the teenagers walking in the door of the Army recruiting office these days aren’t particularly eager to pick up a rifle.

War?" said Sergio Lopez. “I’m not really expecting that. I’m not thinking about it.”

Lopez, a senior at Mission High School in San Francisco, had just signed a sheaf of Army enlistment documents this week that promised him, as he put it, “a whole lot of stuff.”

On the wall behind him was a poster proclaiming the wonders of the Army or, as the Army’s ad writers keep calling it, Today’s Army. There were pictures of golf courses, ski slopes, waterslide parks, beaches and cozy resort bungalows (“one soldier per room, includes microwave”) that could pass for Club Med. There were no tanks and there was no mud.

Staff Sgt. Joshua Reis, a veteran Army recruiter in San Francisco, doesn’t bring up the subjects of war, shooting, bombing, bloodshed and death, if he can help it. The teenagers across the table don’t generally bring them up, either.

The Iraq crisis has had even less of an effect, he said.

Each year, Army recruiters sign up 76,000 fresh faces, largely with promises of $50,000 in college grants.

Reis spins a picture of Army life that dazzles the imagination – free flights to Hawaii, resort rooms at Waikiki Beach and Disney World, the chance to buy half-price music CDs at the post PX and traditional clothing (uniforms) at no extra charge.

Nationwide, the Army says few new recruits are motivated by headlines from overseas.

Potential recruits ask about college benefits, medical benefits, housing benefits and travel benefits more often than patriotic benefits, Heil said.

Between visits to the recruiting office, Reis said, would-be soldiers can bone up on Army life by visiting the Web site (www.goarmy.com) and playing the Army’s new video game, for free. It’s approved for teenagers, the Army says, and features far less blood than games in a typical video arcade.

“We built the game to provide entertainment and information without resorting to gore,” the game instructions say. “When a soldier is killed, that soldier simply falls to the ground and is no longer part of the ongoing mission. The game does not include any dismemberment or disfigurement.”

comment: Is this the american army oh my god. Inshallah when the islamic state arisies once again when it comes to fighting these american forces are gonna be a piece of cake. No wonder they stay up in the sky and bomb indiscriminantly when it comes to ground war they have’nt got a chance, they not even intrested in fighting for there country they more concerned about hawaii and WWF wrestling!

Saif, this is beautiful stuff. I think those Lushkar people can learn a thing or two from the US Army recruiters. They promise you hoors and that too after to get Shaheed.

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Saif, this is beautiful stuff. I think those Lushkar people can learn a thing or two from the US Army recruiters. They promise you hoors and that too after to get Shaheed.
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lol

Muslims who fight jihad don't care for trips to hawaii or drugs as the american army prescribes.

Victory or death which of your beloved american soldiers wants that certain choice i tell you none!

How about when they come back home these rambo wannabees get so high on drugs and pumped up by there drill sergeants they flip go into crazy killer mode when there wives forget to make a meal and they end up killing them.

the difference between an american soldier and a soldier from army of jihad is the latter wants to fight!

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Muslims who fight jihad don't care for trips to hawaii or drugs as the american army prescribes.

Victory or death which of your beloved american soldiers wants that certain choice i tell you none!

How about when they come back home these rambo wannabees get so high on drugs and pumped up by there drill sergeants they flip go into crazy killer mode when there wives forget to make a meal and they end up killing them.

the difference between an american soldier and a soldier from army of jihad is the latter wants to fight!
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True, America is a peaceful nation and fighting is not something it wants to do, as you have stated.

The only reason Jihadic Madmen don't mind fighting and dont care if they live or die is because they are promised that they will become martyrs and be in paradise after death with 72 virgins , that sounds like a hell of a perk to me.

Yes, all those exotic ports of call: Bagram, Tora Bora,Kuwait, Qatar, Baghdad, oops!

Saif's comment: Is this the american army oh my god. Inshallah when the islamic state arisies once again when it comes to fighting these american forces are gonna be a piece of cake. No wonder they stay up in the sky and bomb indiscriminantly when it comes to ground war they have'nt got a chance, they not even intrested in fighting for there country they more concerned about hawaii and WWF wrestling!


Some of the toys that are going to be coming out the US labs:
AI enabled personnel bombs that will be quite capable of crawling like spiders or flying like bees and birds. Crawl under a 'Jihadi' and boom without human intervention. Look Ma no ass!
Tiny cameras the size of house flies that will literally sit on the walls of caves, houses, palaces, etc to transmit back live audio and video while the country side is showered with above AI mines that can then be guided by remote control by kids who have been trained on video games. They will locate each individual one at a time to crawl up to the top of the head. Look Ma no head!

If you think this is Sci-Fi, you have not begin to think of some of the toys that are going to be appearing from US labs. It is not smart bombs to blow up designated building, but the accuracy is going to get to blow up the designated hand.

Gobal hawks and predators that will carry not one missile but many and probably high powered lasers. You take out either the whole group or can target one enemy combatant at a time. And all done remotely!

Keep fighting the 9th century wars.

Hopefully US will get ready to fight in the 21st century.

Underthedoom

America peaceful nation :rotfl::rotfl:

Old lahori

Yes depleted uranium causing cancer and disease in iraq already. Very smart and then the americans complain of weapons of mass destruction they have got no right to complain at all. Also try sticking to the topic because your not funny!

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the difference between an american soldier and a soldier from army of jihad is the latter wants to fight!
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You said it.

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *True, America is a peaceful nation and fighting is not something it wants to do, as you have stated.

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America is having a hard time trying to persuade people that this is true - already nearly 1/3 of the population of America's European "allies" (let alone the remainder of the world) believe that the US has become warlike and is actively looking for an excuse to go to war.

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America is having a hard time trying to persuade people that this is true - already nearly 1/3 of the population of America's European "allies" (let alone the remainder of the world) believe that the US has become warlike and is actively looking for an excuse to go to war.
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And 4/5 of that 1/3 is readily looking to at least give support 5/6 of the time.

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And 4/5 of that 1/3 is readily looking to at least give support 5/6 of the time.
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LOL

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *

America is having a hard time trying to persuade people that this is true - already nearly 1/3 of the population of America's European "allies" (let alone the remainder of the world) believe that the US has become warlike and is actively looking for an excuse to go to war.
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True, the worldview of the U.S. isn’t so grand right now. Up to this point the U.S. has in fact listened to its allies and has done nothing on their own. I don't think their looking for an excuse to go to war, I think the terror attacks of 2001 forced one upon them. Rational people know that war isn't something you want it's something you despise and try to avoid. The U.S. could succumb to the cries of other nations and to the cries that come within and let things ride the way they were before 2001 and wait until another terrorist attack occurs and ride that sorrow into another military campaign with the worlds support, but you don't win wars that way. Like it or not the world is different and actions will be taken that don't always ride high with public opinion. Intelligence isn't going to be sacrifice in order to appease the masses nor should it be.

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Old lahori

Yes depleted uranium causing cancer and disease in iraq already. Very smart and then the americans complain of weapons of mass destruction they have got no right to complain at all. Also try sticking to the topic because your not funny!
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Look Ma no sense of humor.

I think the big flaw in this Jihadi thing is that it doesn't matter whether your side wins or loses and you get your reward ONLY if you die. A bunch of Jihadis have shown how you don't need to fight real well in combat to die. Jeez, just sit in a trench with a bunch of your buddies while being cut to ribbons by American gunships or toast yourself like a marshmallow when the daisy cutter explodes.

In the US military, if you do your job well, fight when required, and you live, you get to go to Hawaii, go to college, play video games and get all kinds of perks while you are alive. The emphasis is on winning not dieing.

The beauty of this whole cultural clash is that both sides can easily meet their respective objectives. The Jihadis can die and get their virgins and the Americans can win, live, get a college degree and be productive members of the world's greatest economic engine.

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So by reading of the Posts Americans don;t give a damn about patritoism fair enough nice to know loyalty is for no 1 and not the country!

All that hot air in there speeches was for nothing 4th July Baqwas :bukbuk:

MYVoice you are correct. The the great thing about American and other forces is their joie d'vivre. WE appreciate life. We don;t like to die or kill. Whereas, the jihadis have been programmed of a better life in heaven and thus the regard for life here on earth is minimal. My thoughts are that the sooner these guys are made to fulfill their wish for an afterlife the better. Although, they would turn hell into a sardine can.

Patriotism in USA means fighting to win and to come out Alive hopefully to enjoy the victory. The perception here is that victory for the Jihadis really only comes after death when the jihadis are convinced they will enter Jannat. Patriots of USA really would like to help the jihadis out as rapidly and conveniently as possible.

Well if patriotism is whats its all about this article posted refutes it clearly and contradicts what you say!

As for jihadi i assume you mean muslims. Well for your information in islam it is victory that is the goal not death! If you die in the process then you die shaheed this notion death before victory is misconception by fanatical media especially nonsense channels which i have had the misfortune of seeing such as FOX news :frusty2: