US soldiers' Iraq war tales

What the hell did they think, that the Iraqis were gonna greet them with music and flowers???

US soldiers’ Iraq war tales

US soldiers said they had expected mass Iraqi surrenders
US soldiers injured in Iraq have been saying they had not been expecting to meet such fierce resistance from Iraqi troops.
A number of wounded soldiers who were airlifted out of the country for treatment spoke to reporters on Thursday about their experiences.

Three of them from the 30th Infantry Regiment were caught up in heavy fighting near the southern Iraqi town of Nasiriya.

Sergeant Charles Horgan, 21, said he had been blown from his gun turret and suffered a wound to his foot after Iraqis - dressed in civilian clothes - attacked with rocket-propelled grenades.

“I saw what I thought was a rifle. I turned my turret towards them so I could possibly engage them with the machine gun. That’s when I heard a pop from further down the road,” Sgt Horgan said.

"I looked down the road and right as I looked there was a rocket headed towards us. It was just like in the movies.

“I thought, ‘Oh my God, I’m going to die.’”

‘All dazed’

His comrade - Sergeant Jamie Villafane - confirmed the story about civilian clothes.

“A rocket had hit our truck from the front, blew me out of the truck,” Sgt Villafane said.

Sergeant Horgan says the Iraqi attack was “just like in the movies”

“I was all dazed, next thing I remember I started engaging the guys to the left of us who were firing at us, the civilians who were firing at us.”

He said that, despite shrapnel injuries to his arm, he took four Iraqis prisoner before being evacuated by helicopter.

Another soldier - US Marine Lance Corporal Joshua Menard - said he was surprised by the resistance, after having been briefed by his commanders to expect mass surrenders.

He said the main fear was of chemical or biological weapons, but that he would go back to Iraq if he could.

Correspondents say the war in Iraq has already brought some bitter surprises to US military planners.

They say other recent wars fought by the US - the Gulf War, Kosovo and Afghanistan - were dominated by early air campaigns and caused few American casualties.

But they say that the current campaign is being fought mainly on the ground, and there are likely to be further casualties.

The US Army Medical Corps in Landstuhl, Germany says it is now treating 72 wounded soldiers of whom 22 have combat injuries.

And if you listen to those comedians at Pentagon they will tell you that these Iraqi soldiers are only fighting becuase Saddam's secret police are holding their families hostage.

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And if you listen to those comedians at Pentagon they will tell you that these Iraqi soldiers are only fighting becuase Saddam's secret police are holding their families hostage.
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Yes, and the Iraqi secret police seems to have reached the exiles in Jordan where thousands are on their way back to Iraq to fight the Anglo-Saxon invaders. :)

well they are fighting for their country and not for saddam.

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well they are fighting for their country and not for saddam.
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Forget Saddam they are fighting for their LAND, which is theirs. I would do anything for my country.

According to Russian intelli. and communiation intercepted 500 US soldiers are unaccounted for. They are either lost in the desert or killed they simply could not locate them I think Russkie GPS jammers must be working real good.. :slight_smile:

Uncensored War News From The Russian GRU

The extreme length of the resupply routes and the actions of the Iraqi reconnaissance units have created a new problem: the coalition command is forced to admit that it has no information about the conditions on the roads. Currently, as intercepted radio communications show, the coalition command is trying to establish the whereabouts of more than 500 of its troops that fell behind their units, departed with resupply convoys or were carrying out individual assignments. So far it was not possible to establish how many of these troops are dead, captured or have successfully reached other units.

Poor girl!!! cry baby!! given the chance all the girls would head straight home… May be Iraqi civilans are not as hospitable as NA…

Wounded U.S. troops say resistance surprised them
Thursday, March 27, 2003 Posted: 11:51 AM EST (1651 GMT)

LANDSTUHL, Germany (CNN) – A U.S. Marine wounded in the Iraqi war said Thursday he was surprised by the amount of Iraqi resistance, and an Army sergeant said he thought he was going to die in the fighting.

** “When it comes to going back out there … nobody wants to go back out in that sort of thing really,” said Sgt. Charles Horgan, 21, of the 1st Battalion, 30th Infantry Regiment. **

"Forget Saddam they are fighting for their LAND, which is theirs. I would do anything for my country."

I thought you lived in Michigan "Majestic", your hypocrisy makes me laugh... almost as much as you people who think this will last much longer. Not even Jihadunspun will be able to spin the eventual, and complete, surrender of Saddam's gov't.

Then you will all undoubtedly revert to "the US will get their's someday".

http://www.msnbc.com/news/891794_asp.htm?0cv=CB30

This is how Iraqis feel about their so called “liberators”

‘We Will Turn Bush Into a Dog’
** The Americans badly miscalculated by believing that the Iraqis would welcome them as liberators **

NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE

  March 27 —  Dogs do not live happy lives in Iraq. Considered “unclean” by Muslims and rarely kept as pets, most of those that you see are feral curs slinking through the streets late at night.    

    IT’S NORMAL PRACTICE for Iraqi soldiers to cull the packs with machine guns. But the commandos of Saddam’s fedayeen, terrorist-shock troops organized in the mid-1990s, sometimes tear a dog limb from limb and sink their teeth in its flesh. Repulsive brutality, after all, is a badge of honor for these troops; this particular rite of passage was even captured on a government video.
   “The fedayeen are animals!” says a young Iraqi woman who fled her country for Jordan a few months ago. “They are trained to be like animals! Everybody is frightened of them.” And even though there are only an estimated 20,000 to 25,000 of these militia, inside Iraq it feels as if the fedayeen—meaning “those who sacrifice”—are everywhere. These days, Iraqis say, they are forcing others to put their lives on the line in the face of the American invasion. “Saddam has succeeded in establishing a strong structure that is loyal to him,” says Issam Chalabi, a former Iraqi oil minister now in exile. “These fedayeen are not only fighting the Americans, they are mainly against those who want to surrender or refuse to fight.”
   And yet, neither the frightened young woman, nor Chalabi (who is no relation to a would-be exile leader with the same last name), nor any of the other Iraqis or Arabs I’ve talked to since the fighting began last week, believes that the Iraqis’ resistance to the United States is solely a matter of intimidation and fear. That plays a part; the role of the fedayeen is important. But the resistance to the United States “is a matter of Iraqi patriotism,” says Chalabi. “No one will accept the Americans’ presence there. And if you say anything about me, say this: I am against the war. I am against the occupation.”
    American administration officials and sympathetic pundits fundamentally miscalculated by believing that, as some exiles told them, because the Iraqi people hate Saddam, they would love their American “liberators.” “That’s where you went wrong,” a Lebanese friend tells me, summing up sentiments I’ve heard all over the Arab world, “The Iraqis do hate Saddam—but they do not love you.”
   The best example of this lies in the largely Shia population of southern Iraq. There was a common assumption that, given the chance, the brutally oppressed people there would rise up against Saddam’s cronies and soldiers again just as they did in 1991 after the last gulf war. But what many of us forgot was the way in which the people there remembered that uprising, when U.S. troops stood by and let them be massacred. It was thought in Washington that this time around, with the Americans suddenly serious about eliminating Saddam (as the Bush I administration obviously was not 12 years ago), Iraqis would seize the day, and even the government. Not at all. Many who lost brothers, sons, wives and mothers in the savage reprisals of 1991 believe the American offensive is a dozen years too late and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives too short.   



   So those who are not actively fighting against the U.S. troops are happy to let them do the job of ousting the dictator by themselves. “We will accept the Americans to come liberate us from Saddam because,” says an architect from Baghdad, “it’s easier afterward to fight the Americans than to fight Saddam. This is the way we feel. This is what ‘the silent majority’ are thinking, if you want to know.”
   The fear that’s at play is more complex than the simple terror of fedayeen seizing children to force fathers to fight, as coalition briefing officers claim. Through 35 years, first as head of the secret police and then as president, Saddam has programmed so much terror into his people that at this stage few would believe that he is dead if they weren’t able to witness the event, see him killed, even dip their hands in his blood. (Many of his predecessors, after all, met just such grisly ends, either dragged through the streets or shown blown-away on live TV.) The fedayeen, with their savagery, only reinforce the almost supernatural terror already inflicted by the dictator. Iraqis know he has staying power. They believe the Americans do not.
   But pride, as Chalabi suggests, is what’s really essential to the resistance, and it infects the broader Arab and Muslim view of the showdown. Since the fighting started, Saddam has tried to turn the Iraqi battle into what his favorite role model, Josef Stalin, called “The Great Patriotic War.” Add to this the tribal character of much of Iraqi society. Saddam has armed almost everyone in the country and now demands the tribes defend their honor against the foreign invaders. Many have heeded the call. “I don’t think there’s a single Iraqi family that has not suffered from Saddam,” says a senior Jordanian official with close ties to the U.S. administration. “But they are fighting now for Iraq, for their dignity. They don’t think the Americans are fighting for their dignity.”  



    The refugee flow across the Iraq-Jordan border tells an important part of the story. There is none. The flow of traffic since the beginning of the war—more than 5,000 in the first week of fighting—has been entirely eastward, into Iraq, as mostly young day laborers brave possible U.S. air attacks to get back home to their families.
   “I don’t hate the Americans,” says Mohamed Al-Alwani, 36, who was at the Iraqi Embassy in Amman, Jordan, earlier this week to get the necessary papers to return. “When anyone comes to Iraq as a guest, we will receive him with flowers and dates and yogurt and all the highest hospitality. But when he comes as an invader we will fight with the last of our blood.”
   Another young man in the crowd at the embassy, who didn’t give his name, spoke more ferociously. “The first day of the war, Bush appeared on television playing with his dog,” he said. “We will turn Bush into a dog.” In Iraq, everybody knows what that implies. And many Iraqis—and not only the fedayeen—echo the sentiment.

^ :rotfl:

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"When it comes to going back out there ... nobody wants to go back out in that sort of thing really," said Sgt. Charles Horgan, 21, of the 1st Battalion, 30th Infantry Regiment. **
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I saw the interviews on TV, what a bunch of cowards.

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I saw the interviews on TV, what a bunch of cowards.
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The only thing that makes the Army superior to the Iraqi are not exactly the weapons but the air space that is provided by the other countries therefore the domination in air space over IRAQ!
Otherwise I would even think of a major defeat of the coalition forces.
Only then!

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The only thing that makes the Army superior to the Iraqi are not exactly the weapons but the air space that is provided by the other countries therefore the domination in air space over IRAQ!
Otherwise I would even think of a major defeat of the coalition forces.
Only then!
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I agree, without the US's air superiority, they'd barely be able to make it out of Kuwait.

‘Turkey shoot, with marines as targets’

http://msnbc.com/news/891868.asp?0cv=CB10

THEY CALL it the turkey shoot, and they are the targets. Every day, Marines trying to keep critical supply lines open to forward units heading toward Baghdad run a gantlet through the strategic crossroads city of Nasiriyah — over one bridge, up a few miles and then over another bridge. If they make it without getting shot at, they are lucky.

The passage, about 100 miles north of the Kuwait border, has become perhaps the most treacherous few miles in Iraq. A contingent of about 120 Marines trying to make it to the first bridge Wednesday came under fire from assault weapons and rocket-propelled grenades; about 15 of their Humvees and seven-ton trucks were destroyed and more than 60 of the Marines were wounded.

Analysis: US military deny pause, Jonathan Marcus, BBC, 29 March 2003

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"Forget Saddam they are fighting for their LAND, which is theirs. I would do anything for my country."

I thought you lived in Michigan "Majestic", your hypocrisy makes me laugh... almost as much as you people who think this will last much longer. Not even Jihadunspun will be able to spin the eventual, and complete, surrender of Saddam's gov't.

Then you will all undoubtedly revert to "the US will get their's someday".
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Nobody here is doubting that the United States of Israel is having superiority from a military viewpoint. USI will off course win the battle going on right now if not today then tomorow. The Big question is " are they going to win the war ? ".
I seriously doubt that to happen. First of all the fundamentalists are going to win no matter who wins the battle. An USI victory will gain them support in the long run and USI will be trapped in the same mess as there masters in Israel. USI have also been trapped in Afghanistan for more than a year with no positive results at all. Every single day they are being attacked more fiercely and harder by Taliban, Hekmatyar and Co.
Getting rid of Saddam Hussain is only a positive thing to happen from a fundamentalist point. He was/is a treath to Islam and muslims. An enemy of Islam/muslims namely USI fighting another enemy of Islam/muslims is not that bad. No matter who wins surely the fundamentalists are going to win and that not so bad at all. :D

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*Originally posted by Stu: *
"Forget Saddam they are fighting for their LAND, which is theirs. I would do anything for my country."

I thought you lived in Michigan "Majestic", your hypocrisy makes me laugh... almost as much as you people who think this will last much longer. Not even Jihadunspun will be able to spin the eventual, and complete, surrender of Saddam's gov't.

Then you will all undoubtedly revert to "the US will get their's someday".
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A lot of us are expatriots living in other lands comrade stu.....we still love our homeland as much as anyone.....If you cant understand that factor then i pitty thee.