US seeks Pakistani, Saudi support for talks with Taliban

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US seeks Pak, Saudi support for talks with Taliban
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LAHORE: US President Barrack Obama has decided to initiate a dialogue process with the Afghan Taliban and has requested Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to help initiate the talks, a private TV channel reported on Sunday.

According to the channel, the US has decided to talk to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Taliban commander Mullah Akhund will represent the Taliban in the talks.

Sources said Mullah Akhund has told the US it cannot create rifts between Taliban ranks with money. He has also demanded that the US pull out of Afghanistan as soon as possible so the people of Afghanistan could form a government of their own choosing. daily times monitor

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I guess that confirms why the Head of ISI went to Saudi Arabia in the last few days. America is either desparate to get out or under pressure from the Chinese-Russian rising hegemonic influence in Asia.

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ek taraf army Taliban ka band baja rahi hay under operation Rahe Raast aor doosri taraf America wants Pakistan for dialogue with Taliban. It absolutedly does not make any sense. There is something basically wrong.

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Let’s not confuse between Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban.

Secondly lets not confuse between Talibans who are willing to sit on the table or on the dirt floor (their choice) and talk and resolve the issues instead of committing terrorism.

This is not purely US stance to “talk” to the “Afghan Taliban”.

Pakistan too has proposed this and offered help in mediation for the last one year (if not more). Here is the latest link.

Pakistan offers to mediate between US and Mullah Omar

If Mullah Umer is willing to keep Afghanistan Al-Q free, then he will be given money and weapons while Karazai the joker will be kicked out of Kabul.

Thus it is upto the Afghan power elite to sit and resolve the Afghan issues instead of doing kiddi stuff like boycotting the elections or killing each other like petty African tree dweller hutus and tutsis.

Instead of looking of constipated conspiracy theories, we the Pakistani educated elite should welcome any negotiations that will reduce the influence of Al-Q in Afghanistan.

Pakistani and American military has their options open, but anytime when the local tribals promise to kick out uzbeks and Arabs, quit spreading anarchy, quit blowing up girls schools etc. then there is no need for us to go to war.

Our soldiers are the most precious aspects of our society. Why on earth we’d let them lose their lives?

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Re: US seeks Pakistani, Saudi support for talks with Taliban

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As said before. This is no earth shattering news.

Pakistani leaders had suggested this many times and the latest “offer” was made in July this year.

Pakistan offers to mediate between US and Mullah Omar

Looks like Obama DOES LISTEN to Prez Zardari and PM Gilani.

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Re: US seeks Pakistani, Saudi support for talks with Taliban

Let me assure you, President Obama is a far more intelligent man than Pentagon has grown used to. But he most definately does NOT listen to President Zardari or PM Gilani. What he does listen to is the hissing and anger of American Public and expansive loss of American troops, dwindling support for and in turn lower approval ratings, threats of more casualties, a hampering economy while China grows stronger, and last but not least the continued expansion of Taliban all around Kabul. It is as if "Green Zone" was being encircled, and Rescue Choppers might not be able to land. There is again, Pakistan to rescue American troops just as Pakistanis did in Mogadishu. (It is important to mention that because Pakistan has been a far better ally to US, than US has been to Pakistan.)

Anyhow, the crusade of Afghanistan no longer makes any viable sense both globally or economically. It kinda defeats the purpose of getting access to Central Asia, if by the time US enables itself to tap into Central Asia, it's broke to the pocket-lining and has to take out loans from China to luxurize itself with Central Asian resources, which will then incur tariff by Russia/China, and quite possibly Iran and Afghanistan. What a pityful plan!

Withdrawal from Afghanistan, which again proves itself to be uncontrollable territory, has been on a table for a while now. ISI chief's meeting with Saudi King is a tell-tale sign of a face-saving measure taking place to ensure American can leave Afghanistan with a "Mission Accomplished" banner hanging off the back of the departing HumVees (No pun intended).

However, I do not believe Americans will be able to withdraw in a civil manner or w/out being bled first. The reason for that is because US+NATO bit off more than they could chew. Certain promises were made going into Iraq and Afghanistan to "rebuild" the nations. Iraqis may have cut their losses, and let Americans leave, but if history teaches us anything. It is that Afghanistan will be a nightmare getting out of, as much as it was getting into. America will probably leave behind more than Machinery and Ammo (recall Russia), and will have to initiate rebuilding measures, and then plead for "Is this enough, Master Omar?"

And no, I am not being sarcastic. Read your history books, you'll understand the distasteful satire.

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The war in Afghanistan is doomed to fail, from an American perspective, if America is fighting for occupation. The Taliban, al Qaeda, and other various groups have successful framed this war as just that, a war about occupation rather than a war about ousting fundamental terrorists and creating a stable nation which rejects harboring terrorists. The blueprints to create an Afghanistan which had a strong central government that controls the country thus creating stablity is no longer a viable at this time. Corruption is to great. You cannot connect a series of pipes to a water faucet, punch holes in the pipes around that faucet, and expect the water to get very far.

Support for tribes and local leaders who don't allow terrorist activities in their controlled areas is the direction that we are headed towards. The rewards for not allowing such actives must be greater than the rewards for allowing them and likewise the consequences for supporting or allowing terrorist activity must be more severe than what they would face from the terrorists they reject. This war can be reframed and be successful. In essence, America needs to lose the occupation, so they can win the war.

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History is a great teacher. This is purely valid. As "smart" people learn from history.

But "dumb" people can potentially become dumber and dumbest if they lack the right history.

It is like learning from Nasim Hijazi's so called history, or reading the Mutalea Pakistan. Obviously dumbs will become dumber.

Mmany terror sympathizers in Pak these days want to quote history to show how bunch of tribals have "defeated" the invaders in the past.

The problem is that they all fail to realize one basic fact. That the reason why the invaders were their in Efghanistan to begin with?

Because that basket case land is unstable, and tribals cannot form a stable system where they can defend themselves from each other too.

If Americans cannot govern Afghanistan, then we must look at the reality

That

Afghanistanis cannot govern themselves either. Just like other pathetic tribals like Somalians, Sudanese, Liberians, sierra leaonians etc. etc. etc.

And that my friend is nothing to write home about.