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**U.S. Secretly Met Afghan Militants

**Outreach to Vilified Haqqani Network, Blamed for Recent Upsurge in Violence, Signals New Approach in Effort to End War.

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WASHINGTON—U.S. officials this summer secretly met with leaders of the deadly Haqqani network, the Afghan militant group closely tied to al Qaeda, in an effort to draw them into talks on winding down the war.

Washington has publicly scorned the group, which is blamed with bringing a new level of violence to the Afghan insurgency and is at the center of the deteriorating U.S. relationship with Pakistan.

Pakistan and U.S. officials said the push to draw the Haqqanis into talks has yielded little. The U.S. says Haqqani fighters were responsible for a 20-hour assault last month on the U.S. Embassy and the nearby North Atlantic Treaty Organization headquarters in Kabul.

The Haqqani network is regarded by American officials as an irredeemably violent militant and criminal network tied to al Qaeda and supported by the Pakistani intelligence service. Haqqani fighters are regularly targeted by U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan. U.S. officials have long said they were beyond reconciliation.

But the behind-the-scenes American effort reflects the growing realization that a military campaign alone won’t bring the Haqqanis to heel—and that compromises are needed to wind down U.S. involvement in Afghanistan.

U.S. officials had already reached that conclusion about the Taliban—saying that losses on the battlefield would drive Taliban leaders to the negotiating table.

“We’ve got no illusions about what the Haqqanis ultimately are,” said a senior U.S. official said. But the “war is going to end with a deal. That’s what we’re trying to make inevitable. The more parties involved in talking, that’s probably going to make for a better deal.”

The official declined to discuss the talks with the Haqqanis, describing them as “early and not very well defined.”

That also describes the wider peace effort, which has moved in fits and starts over the past two years, making little overall progress. Afghan President Hamid Karzai has given up on negotiations with the Taliban, Afghan officials said Sunday, after the assassination of his top peace envoy, former President Burhanuddin Rabbani.

The senior U.S. official said there had been at least one meeting over the summer between U.S. officials and Haqqani representatives. The meeting was set up by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency, a fact that the Americans said confirmed thier suspicions of Pakistani ties to the Haqqanis.

The meeting took place as the Haqqanis were stepping up attacks in and around Kabul, but before their most high-profile strike to date, the assault on the U.S. Embassy, which began on Sept. 13. The assault made the effort to talk to the Haqqanis more difficult, but the effort to get a peace process going hasn’t been abandoned, officials said.

The State Department wouldn’t comment directly on outreach to the Haqqanis. Spokesman Mark Toner, citing previous comments by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said: “We have a broad range of contacts across Afghanistan and the region…these contacts are preliminary in nature.”

A Pakistani official said Islamabad began facilitating contacts with the Haqqanis late last year and set up the meeting this summer in a Persian Gulf country. The Afghan government didn’t take part.

The U.S. wouldn’t identify the participants; the Pakistani official said the insurgents were represented by one of the brothers of the main leader of the network, Sirajuddin Haqqani.

Mr. Haqqani told the BBC in an interview published on Monday that “not only Pakistan, but other Islamic countries, and other non-Islamic countries, including America, contacted us and they are still doing so.”

Mr. Haqqani said the U.S. asked him to break with Taliban leader Mullah Omar and join Mr. Karzai’s government, but the overtures were rebuffed, according to the report.

The Haqqanis are one of the most potent forces in the Afghan war. One U.S. defense official called them “world-class fighters, whether we like it or not.”

The U.S. diplomacy diverges from the drone strikes and special-forces raids the Americans have used against the Haqqanis for much of the past three years.

U.S. officials have berated Pakistan for not attacking the faction’s sanctuaries in the tribal areas on the Afghan border. Pakistan argues it lacks the resources to do so.

Pakistan for years denied U.S. accusations it aids or abets the Haqqanis, and the increasingly public dispute is now straining ties, with U.S. lawmakers threatening to cut aid and military officials in both countries pointing fingers.

The American outreach is the latest chapter in a relationship between Washington and the Haqqanis that stretches back to the Afghan Mujahedeen’s fight against the 1979 Soviet invasion of their country.

The network’s founder, Jalaluddin Haqqani, was one of the main mujahedeen commanders backed by the U.S. and Pakistan. He went on to join the Taliban government that ruled Afghanistan from the mid-1990s until the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. He then took refuge in Pakistan’s tribal areas and, after an aborted American attempt to lure him to their side, took up arms against his old backers.

Officials are now trying to discern just what shape stalled peace efforts will take, the senior U.S. official said.

Options include talks between Afghans and the Taliban, with the U.S. observing; Pakistan playing a direct role; or the Haqqanis having a seat separate from the Taliban. “Anyone who tells you they know what shape the process is taking doesn’t know what they’re talking about,” another U.S. official said.

Top Pakistani officials have alluded to the U.S. contacts with the Haqqanis in recent statements responding to American accusations they support the group.
In one tart statement last month, military chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said the U.S. “knows fully well which … countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive.” A senior Pakistani military officer said Gen. Kayani was referring to the U.S.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204524604576611233949274212.html?KEYWORDS=haqqani

My Comments: These revelations have not only exposed the apparent double talk amongst US officials but also vindicated the Pakistan government and APC declaration that only talks can lead to an end to the Afghan war.

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Sorry I couldn't read the article, only skimmed thru but couldn't find when did the officials meet Haqqani and co? was it before the attack or after? was this first attempt or has there been prior attempts as well?

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Please substitute "compromises" with "tail tunked between the legs" and "Afghanistan" with "Vietnamistan" and there you have it. Rewind few decades and there is Vietnam. When amreeka could not win in Vietnam it was desperate and doing exactly what it is doing now in Vietnamistan, mama google can reveal a alot if you are interested.

An excerpt below..

The network's founder, Jalaluddin Haqqani, was one of the main mujahedeen commanders backed by the U.S. and Pakistan. He went on to join the Taliban government that ruled Afghanistan from the mid-1990s until the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. He then took refuge in Pakistan's tribal areas and, after an aborted American attempt to lure him to their side, took up arms against his old backers.

The Haqqanis are one of the most potent forces in the Afghan war. One U.S. defense official called them "world-class fighters, whether we like it or not."

Oh BTW, Amreeka is gona need lot of very good spin doctors.. :)

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Musharaaf once said, Not all Pashtuns are Talibs but all Talibs are Pashtuns, Worth reading link below

Excerpt from above

Certainly it is becoming clearer than ever that the once-hated Taliban, far from being swept away by General Stanley McChrystal’s surge, are instead regrouping, ready for the final act in the history of Hamid Karzai’s western-installed puppet government. The Taliban have now advanced out of their borderland safe havens to the very gates of Kabul and are surrounding the capital, much as the US-backed mujahedin once did to the Soviet-installed regime in the late 1980s. Like a rerun of an old movie, all journeys by non-Afghans out of the capital are once again confined largely to tanks, military convoys and helicopters. The Taliban already control more than 70 per cent of the country, where they collect taxes, enforce the sharia and dispense their usual rough justice. Every month, their sphere of influence increases.

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Thanks. America khud jo marzi kerren jab pakistan khuch kerta han tu phir buhat shor kerta han. is layee Haqqani network say buhat achay tulaqat han .

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[RIGHT]افغانستان ميں مفاہمت کی بنياد پرامن اور استحکام کے قیام کے لیے امریکہ کا موقف بالکل واضح ہے، ہم افغان کی قیادت میں مصالحت کے عمل کی کوششوں کی مکمل طور پرحمایت کرتے ہیں۔ لیکن يہ ہمارا اورافغان لوگوں کا اصرار ہے کہ جس بھی گروہ يا شخص سے مفاہمت کی جاۓ، ان پر يہ لازم ہے کہ تشدد کو اپنانے سے انکار کریں۔ انہیں القاعدہ کے ساتھ اپنے تعلقات ختم کرنے ہوں گے، انہیں افغانستان کے قوانین اور آئین کی پاسداری کرنی ہوگی اور خواتین اور اقلیتوںکے حقوق کااحترام کرنا ہوگا۔ہم افغانستان کو مستحکم اور خوشحال دیکھنا چاہتے ہیں جہآں تمام لوگ امن اور خوشخالی کے ساتھ رہیں۔ ہم ايک مضبوط افغانستان چاہتے ہيں جو کہ اپنی سیکورٹی خود برقرار رکھ سکے اور القائدہ کو واپس نہ آنے دے۔ امريکہ بين الاقوامی برادری اور پاکستان سے مل کر افغانستان کے اندر بہترین حالات پيدا کرنے کے لیے کام کرتا رہے گے تاکہ افغانستان کے لوگ اپنے مستقبل کے بارے میں خود فيصلہ کرسکيں۔

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Mr Zulfiqar DOT, where was this "mafahimat" when there was an existing peace prevailing throughout Afghanistan back in 2001/02? You guys attacked them, killed them and now you want "mafahimat", is it because your 'chaddi' is red now?

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:D

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b.s. flag erected*

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[RIGHT]جو تجزيہ نگار سياسی مفاہمت اور بات چيت کے آپشن کو افغانستان ميں امريکی شکست قرار ديتے ہيں ان کو باور کروانا چاہتا ہوں کہ امريکی حکام کی جانب سے تو اس آپشن کا استعمال افغانستان ميں فوجی کاروائ سے قبل کيا گيا تھا۔
حکومت پاکستان کے ذريعے امريکہ نے 911 کے واقعات کے بعد طالبان کے ساتھ 2 ماہ تک مذاکرات کيے جن کا مقصد اسامہ بن لادن کی گرفتاری اور افغانستان ميں اس تنظيم کو تحفظ فراہم نہ کرانے کی يقين دہانی حاصل کرنا تھا۔ ليکن طالبان نے ان مطالبات کو ماننے سے صاف انکار کر ديا اور دہشت گردوں کو پناہ دينے کی پاليسی کا اعادہ کيا۔
امريکی حکومت نے ہميشہ يہ موقف اختيار کيا ہے کہ ہمارے فوجی اہداف کی اہميت سے قطع نظر افغانستان کی حکومت اور عوام کے ساتھ ہمارے مشترکہ مقاصد کی تکميل محض قوت کے استعمال سے ممکن نہيں ہے
طالبان سے سياسی مفاہمت کے حوالے سے امريکی حکومت کا موقف واضح اور مستقل ہے۔ يہ موقف ايک اصول اور ضابطہ کار کے عين مطابق ہے۔ اس ضمن ميں مختلف اشخاص کی انفرادی حيثيت اور گروہوں کی اہميت نہيں ہے۔
جيسا کہ میں نے اپنی پچھلی پوسٹنگ ميں ذکر کیا ہے کہ امريکہ افغان قيادت کے زير اثر مفاہمت اور بحالی کے ايسے عمل کی حمايت کرتا ہے جس کا مقصد ان عناصر کو دوبارہ معاشرے ميں شامل کرنا ہے جو تشدد کو ترک کريں، القائدہ اور ان سے ملحق گروہوں سے تعلقات کو ختم کريں اور افغان آئين کے تحت زندگی گزارنے کو ترجيح ديں جس ميں افغان مردوں اور عورتوں کے حقوق کا تحفظ شامل ہے۔

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**U.S. open to Afghan peace deal including Haqqani

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE79B0G220111012?irpc=71](http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE79B0G220111012?irpc=71)

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I was about to post the same article. Turns out even though they are a wing of the ISI. Attacked the US Embassy. The Americans are gracious enough to have peace with them :rolleyes:

I feel bad for ISAF. Taliban are killing NATO soldiers and the politicians are making peace with same bombers.

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ZulfiqarDOT, aap ki postings parh key urdu ki aik kahawat yaad aa jati hai… "khawajay ka gawah _____ "

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Where was this "mafaahimat" when Taliban offered to handover Osama to third party for prosecution? oh I forgot, someone was high on drug induced testosterone holding the guns/arrogance.

You need to go back to the newspapers of the times, your lies will probably be accepted by 10 year olds who didn't read the papers back then. Taliban had offered to handover Osama to third party but it was not acceptable to you guys because you knew that you didn't have any evidence against him.[/RIGHT]

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[RIGHT]ميں آپ کو ياد دلانا چاہتا ہوں کہ طالبان کی جانب سے يہ دليل صرف راۓ عامہ کی حد تک اور حاليہ برسوں میں استعمال کی گئ ہے کہ وہ اسامہ بن لادن کو ثبوت مل جانے کے بعد کسی ملک کے حوالے کرنے کے ليے تيار تھے۔ حقیقت يہ ہے کہ 911 کے واقعے سے قبل بھی اقوام متحدہ کی ايک مشترکہ قرارداد ريکارڈ پر موجود ہے جس ميں طالبان سے القائدہ کی حمايت ترک کرنے اور اسامہ بن لادن کو حکام کے حوالے کرنے کا واضح مطالبہ موجود تھا اس کے باوجود طالبان عالمی برداری کے اس مشترکہ مطالبے کو مسلسل نظرانداز کر کے القائدہ کو دنيا بھر ميں اپنی کاروائياں کرنے کے ليے تحفظ فراہم کرتے رہے۔ سيکورٹی کونسل کی قرارداد 1267 ميں طالبان سے مطالبہ کیا گيا تھا کہ مزید تاخیر کے اسامہ بن لادن کو حوالے کيا جاۓ۔ کيا آپ يہ بھول چکے ہیں؟ يہ رہا لنک

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/1267(1999)

ستمبر11 2001 کے حادثے کے بعد امريکہ نے ہر ممکن کوشش کی تھی کہ طالبان حکومت اسامہ بن لادن کو امريکی حکومت کے حوالے کر دے تا کہ اسے انصاف کے کٹہرے ميں لايا جا سکے۔ اس حوالے سے حکومت پاکستان کی جانب سے دو ماہ ميں 5 وفود بيجھے گۓ۔ ليکن تمام تر سفارتی کوششوں کے باوجود طالبان حکومت نے يہ واضح کر ديا کہ وہ دہشت گردوں کی حمايت سے پيچھے نہيں ہٹيں گے۔

2001 ميں جن وفود نے طالبان سے مذاکرات کيے تھے ان کے بقول طالبان نے ان ملاقاتوں ميں تسليم کيا تھا کہ اسامہ بن لادن دہشت گردی ميں ملوث ہيں ليکن ان کا موقف يہ تھا کہ “اسامہ بن لادن ہمارے مہمان ہيں اور اپنی قبائلی روايات کے حساب سے اپنے مہمان کی حفاطت ہمارا فرض ہے”۔

11 ستمبر 2001 کے واقعے کے بعد يہ واضح نہيں تھا کہ القائدہ کا نيٹ ورک کتنا پھيل چکا ہے اور دنيا ميں کن ممالک ميں ان کے سيل کام کر رہے ہيں۔ القائدہ عالمی برداری کے ليے ايک واضح خطرہ بن کر منظر عام پر آئ تھی اور اس حوالے سے امريکہ اور يورپ سميت تمام مغربی ممالک ميں شديد خدشات تھے۔ طالبان کے صاف انکار کے بعد امريکہ کو کيا کرنا چاہيے تھا؟ کيا القائدہ تنظیم کو طالبان حکومت کے ساۓ تلے مزيد مضبوط ہونے کے مواقع فراہم کرنا صحيح فيصلہ ہوتا؟

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^ is it the same UN that US doesn't pay respect to especially when it comes to invading other countries?

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[RIGHT]آپ کس ملک کی بات کر رہے ہیں؟ تھوڑا وضاخت کيجيے گا۔
امريکہ کو اپنے دفاع کے ليے اقوام متحدہ سے اجاازت لينے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے۔ آپ کو حیرانگی ہوگی لیکن يہ بھی درست ہے کہ امريکہ سميت اقوام متحدہ کے ہر ممبرملک کو غير ملکی جارخيت کے خلاف دفاع کرنے کا پورا قانونی حق ہے۔ يہ اقدام اقوام متحدہ کے چارٹر کے مطابق ہیں۔
آپ اس بارے ميں اس لنک پر مزید پڑھ سکتے ہیں۔

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Hillary Clinton: US held meeting with Haqqani network

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Isn’t this the case for any peace treaty? You make an agreement with those that you having been shooting/bombing. If terror organizations choose to attack Afghanistan or Pakistan then no agreement will take place.

mo293, comparing Afghanistan to Vietnam is wildly inaccurate.

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If America doesn’t care about UN, Israel doesn’t care about then why even talk about UN resolutions? Iraq was not a threat to US, didn’t have WMDs, heck it didn’t have airforce.