US running 'gulag' prisons around the World!

WASHINGTON — The U.S. government is operating an “archipelago” of prisons around the world, many of them secret camps into which people are being “literally disappeared,” a top Amnesty International official said Sunday.

Amnesty International executive director William Schulz criticized the administration of U.S. President George W Bush for holding alleged battlefield combatants in “indefinite incommunicado detention” without access to lawyers in an interview with Fox News Sunday.

Schulz was pressed to substantiate Amnesty’s claim in a May 25 report that the U.S. prison camp at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba naval base — where hundreds of foreign terror suspects are being held indefinitely — represents the “gulag of our times.”

Russian 1970 Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn described the Soviet prison camp system in his best-selling book “The Gulag Archipelago.”

Schulz said the gulag reference was not “an exact or a literal analogy.”

“But there are some similarities. The United States is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons into which people are being literally disappeared — held in indefinite incommunicado detention without access to lawyers,” Schulz told Fox.

Asked how AI could compare the detentions of millions of Soviet citizens in the gulag system to purported anti-U.S. combatants captured on the battlefield, Schulz said some of those held in Guantanamo "happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

“We do know that at least some of the 200 some prisoners who have been released from Guantanamo Bay have made pretty persuasive cases that they were imprisoned there, not because they were involved in military conflict but simply because they were enemies of the Northern Alliance,” he said.

Schulz called for an official probe into the alleged rights abuses at U.S. detention centers around the globe.

Amnesty refers in the May 25 report to Rumsfeld and U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales as alleged “torture architects.”

The United States “should be the one that should investigate those who are alleged at least to be architects of torture, not just the foot soldiers who may have inflicted the torture directly, but those who authorized it or encouraged it or provided rationales for it,” Schulz said.

According to Amnesty, Rumsfeld provided “the exact rules, 27 of them in fact, for interrogations, some of which do constitute torture or cruel, inhumane treatment,” Schulz said.

Amnesty is not the only rights group to have called on Washington to investigate alleged abuses at the camp — Schulz pointed to released FBI documents that also raised concerns about Guantanamo interrogations.

U.S. soldiers have been tried and punished for abusing detainees — notably at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison, where at least one captive died — but U.S. officials say those are isolated incidents.

The furor sparked by Amnesty’s claims shows no signs of abating.

The New York Times said Sunday that the Guantanamo Bay prison should be closed down, saying it had become “a national shame” and a “propaganda gift to America’s enemies.”

“What makes Amnesty’s gulag metaphor apt is that Guantanamo is merely one of a chain of shadowy detention camps that also includes Abu Ghraib in Iraq, the military prison at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and other, secret locations run by the intelligence agencies,” the Times said.

The Washington Post, whose editorial page has been more critical of Amnesty’s gulag claim, reported Sunday — citing Schulz — that Amnesty’s donations have quintupled and new memberships have doubled in the past week since it released its report.
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The New York Times said Sunday that the Guantanamo Bay prison should be closed down, saying it had become “a national shame” and a “propaganda gift to America’s enemies.”

damn some yanks do have eyes and can see the obvious others have been eating too much british beef again me thinks!

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More than three years after the first detainees were brought to gitmo, the US continues to detain nearly 550 people indefinitely without charge or trial and without applying the Geneva Conventions. There is growing evidence that detainees at gitmo have suffered torture and cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment, in violation of the conventions as well as human rights treaties that the US has ratified.

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these poor poor terrorists could have been handed over to the pakistanis who would have made Gitmo look like Club Med compared to their camps-d-elan.

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^ good idea...except musharaf will come around looking for another billion in dole!

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Obviously to some buffoons in da states they think guantanamo is a holiday camp and people are guilty before they even get chance to speak or proove their case thats what you call justice amerikkan style!

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  1. In the past two and half years hundreds of prisoners have been repatriated to thier countries.

  2. Enemy combattants is a legal term used in the Geneva Conventions. It applies to prisoners who do not obey the laws of war, such as wearing a uniform. The US has followed the Geneva Conventions, and applied the conditions called for in the Conventions. Read the Conventions and quote them before you make further claims of this type.

  3. The Red Cross has made no claims of “Torture”. They have used the phrase, “Tantamount to Torture”, as a rather slippery way of saying that they do not like the methods of interrogation, but neither can they call these procedures “Torture” under a legal definition. The Red Cross, as called for in the Geneva Conventions, has made regular visits to Gitmo, and has seen every detainee.

  4. Trials? The Geneva Convention calls for prisoners to be released at the end of the conflict. Have we missed something? Is is over? Did Mullah Omar sign a treaty? Did OBL sign a treaty?

You cannot have it both ways. If you want to use the Geneva Conventions, and quote them, then yo must understand them.

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More importantly is probably the question... what are the long term plans by the US government? Will they keep these prisons indefinitely and have prisoners there for life? That doesn't sound like a practical plan. Either try them, kill them or release them. Also the fate of high profile leaders that are captured, e.g. Khalid Sheikh Rahman and the recent Al-Libbi. There has to be a long term plan for them. I don't think US Army relishes the role of permanent jail wardons.

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Faisal, I hope the long term plan is to keep these sihtheads from ramming planes into landmark buildings...thanks much.

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Thats well and good, but US Army is not in the business of running permanent jails.

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Yeah we outsource those to Pakistan.

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Ummm ok is that ^ also tantamount to tortue in your wierd world of semantics

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I hope they string up the idiots who ran Abu Graib. What they did was abhorent, and an embarrassment to the country.

However, the Red Cross visits Guantanamo every month, and meets with each detainee privately. So far they have not alleged torture. The "Tantamount to Torture" is legal parsing. Undoubtely the Red Cross does not approve, but they are dying to charge torture, and have not yet done so.....

And, for the record, the Taliban ran huge prisons, where starvation was ramapant, and torture (the real torture) was everyday fare. Of course we don't want to lower ourselves to their standards, but wouldn't justice be Taliban in conditions similar to what they did to thier own people? Keeping this in mind prevents me from crying those big crocidile tears....

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^ yeah we belive yah as much as we belive Bush and crew don't give up the day job!

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What do you expect of concentration camps?