Re: US panel backs India nuclear deal
So in the context of master/slave the relationship speaks for itself… You think amreeka is proliferating out of goodness of its heart… naaaaaaa… Where did you draw the line for amreeka should be the question.. I won’t be surprised if amreeka has your nukes now…
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Please list the disadvantages for India originating out of this deal.
Re: US panel backs India nuclear deal
Just don’t cheat like you did in the past with “Atom for Peace” US/Canada policy… But then even if you do it will be over looked to contain Chinese threat.
Nuclear deal will make India vulnerable: Expert
Aziz Haniffa in Washington DC | May 24, 2006 01:20 IST
Institute for Energy and Environmental Research president and leading
technical expert on nuclear programs Dr Arjun Makhijani has said that
he was aghast at the ‘breadth of facilities’ that India had put on the
table for safeguards as it included ‘fundamental physics and other
research institutions.’
U turn on time tested friend Eyran… 
But there could be lot more that Indian govt will never tell ya until someone else blows the cover. Ask me how do I know…
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US is basically playing a double game. On one hand its proliferating on the other it crows NPT… US never gives anything for nothing..NEVER…
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Washington will also have the statisfaction of gaining, for the first time, a transparent insight into India's nuclear program. These gains are more substantive for the United States. Watch for US Department of State to ask for major financial benefits from this nuclear deal.
India will get the fuel for the nuclear plants but with many conditions, some of them as I mentioned like ban on any further legal nuclear tests, others are currently being negotiated with US and IAEA. So, from now on your nuclear plants are on their mercy.
Consider this, uranium prices, which India desperatly needs thus the push for deal, have been soaring for past few years. Uranium prices jumped over 70% in 2005 and even further in 2006. How much money would America make from it?
Moreover, the deal can be switched off any time. India will lose further discarding and self sufficiency. US will be using the deal to revive its nuclear power industry that has benn lying dead since the Cold War. United States has not developed a single new nuclear reactor for the past 30 years and with this deal you are talking about new money and jobs in the US and more arm sales for Pentagon. Its a nuclear coup by Washington, but oh well its great that Pakistan won't get any part of it. We are happy with China and their help.
All good question, and I will try to answer them below one by one.
India will be losing billions of dollars through their propsed civilan nuclear energy agreement. USA stands to gain over $35billion in hard cash, which is a conservative estimate to say the least.
So you think India is given that money for free? It is not getting anything in return?
India is looking at the future, with petrolium prices rising its a good idea to have alternate source of energy.
With the growing economy India needs more energy. The demand is increasing faster than supply. So it is in India's interest to have nuclear energy for the future.
Another important reason for India to have energy is to have cleaner environment. With the growing use of energy, there is too much pollution. The pollution causes lot of heath problems which leads to reduction in productivity. So this is a longer term vision. This is be beneficial to all the south asian countries.
Washington will also have the statisfaction of gaining, for the first time, a transparent insight into India's nuclear program. These gains are more substantive for the United States. Watch for US Department of State to ask for major financial benefits from this nuclear deal.
Yes, you are right here. But for India it is a win win situation since India does not indulge in breaking the laws. We believe in peace. As for the national security India has kept 14 reactors/nuclear facilities out of this trasparency.
India will get the fuel for the nuclear plants but with many conditions, some of them as I mentioned like ban on any further legal nuclear tests, others are currently being negotiated with US and IAEA. So, from now on your nuclear plants are on their mercy.
There is no ban on nuclear tests, but India has said as a good will they will not have any nuclear tests.
The reason for this is simple - Intially when nuclear tests are done, they need to be done physically, but once you have collected enough data then they can be simulated in a lab environment (on computers). You must be remembering that in 1998 there were multiple nuclear test performed. These tests were done for Nuclear bombs of different capacity (biggest and smallest) and different nature. The reason was to get enough data for simulated tests in future.
Consider this, uranium prices, which India desperatly needs thus the push for deal, have been soaring for past few years. Uranium prices jumped over 70% in 2005 and even further in 2006. How much money would America make from it?
US is not the only supplier in the world. One of the biggest suppliers in Australia. Then there are France, Russia, China. Yes prices have soared - but so have the prices of any type of usable energy. Also you have to pay for better life and if you have the money then why not.
Moreover, the deal can be switched off any time. India will lose further discarding and self sufficiency. US will be using the deal to revive its nuclear power industry that has benn lying dead since the Cold War. United States has not developed a single new nuclear reactor for the past 30 years and with this deal you are talking about new money and jobs in the US and more arm sales for Pentagon. Its a nuclear coup by Washington, but oh well its great that Pakistan won't get any part of it. We are happy with China and their help.
Very valid point. This is a problem with any type of energy. With petrolium there is similar problem, with the unstable Middle east this. So this deal is more important as it is good to have diversified energy source.
The deal does not mean that India will stop R&D on other new sources of energy. There is a lot of R&D in India in energy field.
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No one gives anything for free, and no one buys anything if price to need ratio is not reasonable and if there is no capacity to pay.
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If its so bad then why does Pakistan want similar deal. It seems like Khatte Angoor (Sour Grapes )
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-06-29T173909Z_01_WAT005960_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-INDIA-USA.xml&archived=False
Pakistan, the United States’ key front-line ally in the war on terrorism, is upset by the nuclear deal with India – its nuclear rival – and has demanded similar treatment, but Washington has repeatedly rejected the request.
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This agreement weakens States position towards Iran. Tehran has signed Non-Proliferation Treaty and has allwoed inspectors to visit and inspect its facilities. Also, has the right to develop nuclear energy for civilan puposes.
As a part of the discussions, look for Washington to pressure Delhi on enacting a legal ban on further nuclear testing and promise to the fissile materials cutoff treaty.
What do u mean by nuclear violater. Did India ran an underground nuclear proliferation black market. India never signed NPT and it is above it.
India and Iran are different. U know that as well.
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Washington will also have the statisfaction of gaining, for the first time, a transparent insight into India's nuclear program. These gains are more substantive for the United States. Watch for US Department of State to ask for major financial benefits from this nuclear deal.
India will get the fuel for the nuclear plants but with many conditions, some of them as I mentioned like ban on any further legal nuclear tests, others are currently being negotiated with US and IAEA. So, from now on your nuclear plants are on their mercy.
Consider this, uranium prices, which India desperatly needs thus the push for deal, have been soaring for past few years. Uranium prices jumped over 70% in 2005 and even further in 2006. How much money would America make from it?
Moreover, the deal can be switched off any time. India will lose further discarding and self sufficiency. US will be using the deal to revive its nuclear power industry that has benn lying dead since the Cold War. United States has not developed a single new nuclear reactor for the past 30 years and with this deal you are talking about new money and jobs in the US and more arm sales for Pentagon. Its a nuclear coup by Washington, but oh well its great that Pakistan won't get any part of it. We are happy with China and their help.
Where do u think India will get power from. India is highly in need of power and expertiese in this area. Many of the states in India have severe shortage of power. During summer even the most watery states in India like Kerala has atleast 2 hours of power cut and load shedding. The things are getting worse in northern power grid as well. Either India has to develop more coal or hydro electric powers or use nuclear technology.
If india has the money to buy out american technologies and safeguards for some goodies then why not.
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To Pak it won’t make any difference because we have only two nuclear reactors already open to IAEA… yes we will open them again to IAEA.
Re: US panel backs India nuclear deal
yes we will open them again to IAEA
When???To Pak it won't make any difference
But then why is Pakistan upset that they not are getting the same/similar deal?
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Actually, nuclear fuel is mined and not produced in factories. India has few uranium reserves and these are insufficient for its huge energy needs. USA and NSG have huge Uranium reserves and this deal will enable India to purchase it from them.
Well they will have insights into India’s civillian program and not its weapons or the Fast-Breeder Reactor program.
Anyway, India’s civillian reactors are built using conventional PWHR technology, which western nations are very well conversant with.
The ban on nuclear tests is NOT mandatory, but honorary. This means that India can test a weapon provided it gives a convincing reason to the world.
Anyways, all nuclear tests in the west are simulated by supercomputers and not by actual underground explosions. Once India gets sufficient computing power for the same, then such a ban wont matter.
There is no “jealousy” on India’s part if US or NSG “make money”. Uranium is extremely rare and hence the costs.
Pakistan is buying two 350 MW reactors from China and more are expected. On top of that, I dont think it has fuel reprocessing technology. This will also set it back by many billions of dollars.
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Huge break for india yesterday as senate panel Ok’s the deal to go forward. This was a big hurdle for india as till now there was only speculation about india’s chances being strong. well, with the house passing the bill 37-5 and now the senate passing it 16-2, india is in good position to win the bill in its favor come the full senate meeting.
If this goes through, we are going to see a lot of tension build up in asia. Anyhow, big deal for india if this goes through.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/30/MNG28JN7IK1.DTL&feed=rss.news
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First and foremost, lets get Pakistan out of this equation because this is not pakistan/us relation rather than us/india. Now to Pakistan being jealous, well U.S just approaved $5B Arms deal with Pakistan, where White House will sell 18 F-16 to Pakistan as a part of the package.
“The sale is part of an effort to broaden our strategic partnership with Pakistan and advance our national security and foreign policy interests in South Asia.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/29/politics/main1767471.shtml
This is an extremely bad deal for India. All you can do is talk about nuclear energy when India comsumes only 3% of it. How is it going to help you immediatly? Bottom line is, India desperatly needed uranium because ones they had were in extremely poor quality and if it wasn’t for this deal, India probably had to close its nuclear plants. When you are down on your knees, you don’t make a win-win situation for yourself.
U.S saw an ‘opportunity’ and took you for cleaners. All you know right now is that you’ll get some uraniums, but on what conditions…? There is no such thing as ‘good will’ in international diplomacy. No country would stop enhacing its militray technology on a good will.
Also, ‘black market’ is an another terminology, I mean poison is poison whether you buy it from some ‘black market’ or from rich white men.
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This is what U.S has offered you: a one-time exception in the existing global non-proliferation so that India can keep its nuclear weapons without signing the Nuclear NPT, which means that if this deal hadn't passed your nuclear industry was dead.
Now tell me specifically:
-What kind of safeguards must India accept on its civilian nuclear program?
-If we consider that India is allowed to import some nuclear fuel, what are the rules and regulations on how it will be modified/processed, sotred and/or reporcessed?
-Does this mean India can stockpile the energy? I sincerely doubt U.S will allow it.
-What guarantee Indian government can give that it will not be diverted to military uses? Or you militry programms are safe from this deal?
-Under what terms this deal be terminated?
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IAEA safeguards.
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-If we consider that India is allowed to import some nuclear fuel, what are the rules and regulations on how it will be modified/processed, sotred and/or reporcessed?
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Well IAEA safeguards will ensure that not an iota of the fuel leaves the safeguarded reactors and is used only in those reactors for enrgy production.
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-Does this mean India can stockpile the energy?
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Yes.
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-What guarantee Indian government can give that it will not be diverted to military uses? Or you militry programms are safe from this deal?
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The safeguarded reactors will be under IAEA. They will monitor the fuel consumption and if there is any discrepancy, the deal can be terminated.
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-Under what terms this deal be terminated?
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If the imported fuel/technology is diverted to the military or fast-breeder reactors or if the NSG cuts the fuel supply, then India reserves the right to remove the IAEA seals from the civillian reactors.
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This is an extremely bad deal for India.
Yaar Bhaijaan, You do not even read the replies given to you. You had some questions before and I have answered them in post #*25 *. Please go thru them.
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Thats the difference between India and Pakistan. You buy F-16’s, which will just increase the count of war planes Pakistan has. There is no, zero, zipp, nada long term vision.
It just gives Mushu something to talk about - India got NUK DEAL and we got f-16.
Now for a moment, without letting your ego come in between think about this- which is a better deal - People of India getting cleaner engergy or Pakistan Airforce getting few more f16’s.
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When?
Something that is already open for inspections when does not apply.
But then why is Pakistan upset that they not are getting the same/similar deal?
When I said it won’t make any difference to us it is becuase #1 above… Beside Pak is playing political game, Pak has already secured similar deals from China…
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Really. And how did you get this secret information? Did Mushi tell you about this deal?
Friend you are thinking too much, do not strain your brain so much. Go get a life.